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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 0:37:53 GMT -5
Metallica has been a steady seller for 15 years and outsold Come On Over by about 300,000 units last year.
Metallica's sales well continue for the forseeable future
Substantial sales of Come On Over, appears to have ended, catalog sales in the future will probably be heavily weighted towards the 'Greatest Hits' disc. Even if a new album comes out.
The difference between the 2 albums now is about 600,000. 2 more years like this one and Metallica will assume #1.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 1:14:21 GMT -5
Metallica has been a steady seller for 15 years and outsold Come On Over by about 300,000 units last year. Metallica's sales well continue for the forseeable future Substantial sales of Come On Over, appears to have ended, catalog sales in the future will probably be heavily weighted towards the 'Greatest Hits' disc. Even if a new album comes out. The difference between the 2 albums now is about 600,000. 2 more years like this one and Metallica will assume #1. I have no doubt that "Come On Over" will eventually lose the # 1 spot on the Soundscan list, especially since Shania's "Greatest Hits" has taken such a huge chunk of the "COO" sales. However, I don't see it happening within the next two years. For that to happen, "COO" would have to virtually flatline in sales (and not even sell 50k per year) and Metallica would have to continue to do over 300,000 every year. Also, Metallica benefited from a lot of VH1 press this year. Can they do over 300k every year and have Shania's "COO" sales flatline? Anyway, it's obvious it will happen sometime in the future, but I think it will be a little longer than 2 years before Shania's "COO" loses the # 1 spot on the SoundScan list. I could be wrong, but that's JMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 1:23:26 GMT -5
Yes, Metallica will do 300K every year. It has charted on either the year-end billboard 200 or the year-end catalog chart for 16 consecutive years (and that wasn't due to VH1 press) This year it was only #31 on the catalog chart and still did over 300K. A new album is on the slate this year which will likely juice catalog sales even further.
As far as 'Come On Over' goes, judging by the numbers, it appears that everyone who wants a copy, already has one. New fans who discover Shania's older music will likely flock to the 'Greatest Hits' album.
Not to say that people won't buy 'Come On Over' when a new album is released, it is just that more will buy the 'Greatest Hits'
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 11:50:00 GMT -5
Yes, Metallica will do 300K every year. It has charted on either the year-end billboard 200 or the year-end catalog chart for 16 consecutive years (and that wasn't due to VH1 press) This year it was only #31 on the catalog chart and still did over 300K. A new album is on the slate this year which will likely juice catalog sales even further. As far as 'Come On Over' goes, judging by the numbers, it appears that everyone who wants a copy, already has one. New fans who discover Shania's older music will likely flock to the 'Greatest Hits' album. Not to say that people won't buy 'Come On Over' when a new album is released, it is just that more will buy the 'Greatest Hits' Actually that is wishful thinking on your part. Metallica will take much longer to reach #1 if at all. You are just guessing here. Shania's COO sales will pick up this year and the years after and Metallica won't sell 300,000 every year like you claim. And you have no clue what the fans will do. All Shania has to do is have a 10 years aniversary for COO and the sales will go through the roof.' And there are many people who don't have COO who will buy it in the future. I see Shania staying number one for at least 5 more years and beyond if she becomes more visible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 12:08:26 GMT -5
Yes, Metallica will do 300K every year. It has charted on either the year-end billboard 200 or the year-end catalog chart for 16 consecutive years (and that wasn't due to VH1 press) This year it was only #31 on the catalog chart and still did over 300K. A new album is on the slate this year which will likely juice catalog sales even further. As far as 'Come On Over' goes, judging by the numbers, it appears that everyone who wants a copy, already has one. New fans who discover Shania's older music will likely flock to the 'Greatest Hits' album as new people discover Shania's older music. Not to say that people won't buy 'Come On Over' when a new album is released, it is just that more will buy the 'Greatest Hits' Actually that is wishful thinking on your part. Metallica will take much longer to reach #1 if at all. You are just guessing here. Shania's COO sales will pick up this year and the years after and Metallica won't sell 300,000 every year like you claim. And you have no clue what the fans will do. All Shania has to do is have a 10 years aniversary for COO and the sales will go through the roof.' And there are many people who don't have COO who will buy it in the future. I see Shania staying number one for at least 5 more years and beyond if she becomes more visible. Actually, I disagree It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that 16 years of steady sales for Metallica will likely produce steady sales in the future. Metallica's album is still on the catalog chart, even this week. In looking at the list, didn't see 'Come On Over' I never said people won't buy 'Come On Over' in the future. I just said its days of significant sales are over. The bulk of the catalog sales will fall to 'Greatest Hits'. For example, if I am a 15-year old kid who wants to discover Shania Twain's old music for the first time, will I more likely buy 'Come On Over' or will I buy 'Greatest Hits'? Simple logic would say 'Greatest Hits' wold get the bulk of that. That said, 2 more years like this last one and 'Metallica' is the new #1 album of the soundscan era. Certainly feasible given steady sales of 'Metallica' and a new album due in '07
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 12:17:52 GMT -5
Actually that is wishful thinking on your part. Metallica will take much longer to reach #1 if at all. You are just guessing here. Shania's COO sales will pick up this year and the years after and Metallica won't sell 300,000 every year like you claim. And you have no clue what the fans will do. All Shania has to do is have a 10 years aniversary for COO and the sales will go through the roof.' And there are many people who don't have COO who will buy it in the future. I see Shania staying number one for at least 5 more years and beyond if she becomes more visible. Actually, I disagree It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that 16 years of steady sales for Metallica will likely produce steady sales in the future. Metallica's album is still on the catalog chart, even this week. In looking at the list, didn't see 'Come On Over' I never said people won't buy 'Come On Over' in the future. I just said its days of significant sales are over. The bulk of the catalog sales will fall to 'Greatest Hits' That said, 2 more years like this last one and 'Metallica' is the new #1 album of the soundscan era. Certainly feasible given steady sales of 'Metallica' and a new album due in '07 Like I said wishful thinking on your part. This was the slowest sales year for COO. It will pick up big time. All Shania has to do is be more visible. You don't have a clue about shania or her selling power. The second she becomes visible sales will pick up big time. I think you are making predictions because you don't like Shania.The facts are that it won't take much for COO to pick up and Metallica to drop off. I see COO picking up big time in the future and Shania keeping #1 for many more years. And with all due respect, soundscan is part of the sales of COO. Shania is the #1 seller in music clubs like BMG which are not included in soundscan and were a big part of sellers in the last 20 years. Metallica is not a big seller in music clubs. So Shania has them beat by quite a bit anyways. And I see Shania gaining many more new young fans with her future music who will pick up old Shania albums. So maybe you shouldn't say anything because it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that COO could pick up and sell 200,000 or 300,000 a year once SHania becomes more visible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 12:27:37 GMT -5
Actually, I disagree It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that 16 years of steady sales for Metallica will likely produce steady sales in the future. Metallica's album is still on the catalog chart, even this week. In looking at the list, didn't see 'Come On Over' I never said people won't buy 'Come On Over' in the future. I just said its days of significant sales are over. The bulk of the catalog sales will fall to 'Greatest Hits' That said, 2 more years like this last one and 'Metallica' is the new #1 album of the soundscan era. Certainly feasible given steady sales of 'Metallica' and a new album due in '07 Like I said wishful thinking on your part. This was the slowest sales year for COO. It will pick up big time. All Shania has to do is be more visible. You don't have a clue about shania or her selling power. The second she becomes visible sales will pick up big time. I think you are making predictions because you don't like Shania.The facts are that it won't take much for COO to pick up and Metallica to drop off. I see COO picking up big time in the future and Shania keeping #1 for many more years. And with all due respect, soundscan is part of the sales of COO. Shania is the #1 seller in music clubs like BMG which are not included in soundscan and were a big part of sellers in the last 20 years. Metallica is not a big seller in music clubs. So Shania has them beat by quite a bit anyways. And I see Shania gaining many more new young fans with her future music who will pick up old Shania albums. So maybe you shouldn't say anything because it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that COO could pick up and sell 200,000 or 300,000 a year once SHania becomes more visible. The original statement was, in 2 years, Metallica will have the #1 album of the soundscan era. I said nithing about certifications or record clubs that weren't reported to soundscan. If Metallica has been on the year end chart on either the BB200 or the catalog chart for 16 consecutive years (often charting quite high), why would this year be the year that it drops off?? Doesn't make sense. The numbers for COO indicate that everyone who wants a copy already has one. Why would COO pick up "big time" instead of 'Greatest Hits'? If as you say there would be a 10th anniversary release, why would that send sales through the roof, for anything more than a short period?? Anniversay releases of other big albums in the past have only generated short-lived sales spikes. For the reasons I already stated, 'Greatest Hits' would be the steady seller in the future and not 'Come On Over'. Is the new Shania Twain fan that wants to discover Shania's old music more likely to buy 'Greatest Hits' or 'Come On Over'??
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 15:23:19 GMT -5
Like I said wishful thinking on your part. This was the slowest sales year for COO. It will pick up big time. All Shania has to do is be more visible. You don't have a clue about shania or her selling power. The second she becomes visible sales will pick up big time. I think you are making predictions because you don't like Shania.The facts are that it won't take much for COO to pick up and Metallica to drop off. I see COO picking up big time in the future and Shania keeping #1 for many more years. And with all due respect, soundscan is part of the sales of COO. Shania is the #1 seller in music clubs like BMG which are not included in soundscan and were a big part of sellers in the last 20 years. Metallica is not a big seller in music clubs. So Shania has them beat by quite a bit anyways. And I see Shania gaining many more new young fans with her future music who will pick up old Shania albums. So maybe you shouldn't say anything because it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that COO could pick up and sell 200,000 or 300,000 a year once SHania becomes more visible. The original statement was, in 2 years, Metallica will have the #1 album of the soundscan era. I said nithing about certifications or record clubs that weren't reported to soundscan. If Metallica has been on the year end chart on either the BB200 or the catalog chart for 16 consecutive years (often charting quite high), why would this year be the year that it drops off?? Doesn't make sense. The numbers for COO indicate that everyone who wants a copy already has one. Why would COO pick up "big time" instead of 'Greatest Hits'? If as you say there would be a 10th anniversary release, why would that send sales through the roof, for anything more than a short period?? Anniversay releases of other big albums in the past have only generated short-lived sales spikes. For the reasons I already stated, 'Greatest Hits' would be the steady seller in the future and not 'Come On Over'. Is the new Shania Twain fan that wants to discover Shania's old music more likely to buy 'Greatest Hits' or 'Come On Over'?? You have no idea what the future holds so don't pretend you do. As for COO, everytime Shania is in the public it sells at least 300,000 a year. I don't care if there is a GH cd. COO is a special cd that people want to buy because of it being a worldwide mega seller. There are many songs on her COO that are not on her GH cd. So trust me, if Shania decides to be more in the spotlight it will be a long,long time before Metallia over takes her on soundscan. And if shania does not do much in the next while then it will take at least 3 years for them to catch up. But this year is by no way an indication that COO will not sell well in the future. It is wishful thinking on your part. And there will be many new fans who buy Shania's next album who want to buy COO which has many great songs on it that weren't on the GH cd and the fact that COO was such a special album. You or I don't know what the future holds so stop pretending what you say is fact. My opinion is that COO will sell very well in the next year and year after. You certainly don't understand the selling power of a Shania when she decides to be more public. All her cd's will get huge boosts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 16:16:49 GMT -5
Year by year sales of the Metallica album:
2000: 726K 2001: 540K 2002: 350K 2003: 471K 2004: 410K 2005: 332K 2006: 340K
'Come On Over'
2000: 1.5 million 2001 495K 2002 343K 2003 406K 2004 370K 2005 88K 2006 53K
The 'Greatest Hits' album was released in 2004, right at the start of the sales drop-off of 'Come On Over'. There is a clear indicator here as to where people's preferences lie.
Metallica has been 300K a year for some time.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 5, 2007 16:24:29 GMT -5
Just ignore potter66, 2m. Everyone else does.
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Post by XXIX on Jan 5, 2007 16:42:33 GMT -5
Just ignore potter66, 2m. Everyone else does. OMG.. I just go a headache.. why did I read all of that? I never even come in here. With good reason I now see.
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 17:32:24 GMT -5
Year by year sales of the Metallica album: 2000: 726K 2001: 540K 2002: 350K 2003: 471K 2004: 410K 2005: 332K 2006: 340K 'Come On Over' 2000: 1.5 million 2001 495K 2002 343K 2003 406K 2004 370K 2005 88K 2006 53K The 'Greatest Hits' album was released in 2004, right at the start of the sales drop-off of 'Come On Over'. There is a clear indicator here as to where people's preferences lie. Metallica has been 300K a year for some time. Thanks for proving my point. The drop off has been the last 2 years because in 2005 and 2006 Shania has been on hiatus. The GH has only a bit to do with the drop off. But as soon as a new album comes there will be an increase and it will sell more than Metallica year by year. Like I said, it is wishful thinking on your part to think COO will stay at 50,000 a year or less forever lmao!!! Maybe you should wait until Shania comes out with a new album and makes more appearances till you put your GH theory to the test. You have no idea how much COO will sell in the following years. Also, of course the GH will eat into the sales in the first couple of years because the GH is new. It seems that you are trying to prove something that hasn't happen yet. Could it be that you don't like Shania lmao!!! Why not wait a couple of years and see if your theory is correct. Because you will be in for a big surprise.
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Post by Jeff on Jan 5, 2007 17:36:01 GMT -5
Has Shania walked off the planet? It's like she had minor success with her greatest hits CD, then that's it... she needs new music. NOW!
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 17:40:25 GMT -5
Has Shania walked off the planet? It's like she had minor success with her greatest hits CD, then that's it... she needs new music. NOW! Minor success with her GH cd? lmao!!! It has scanned 3.5 million in the States with no promo and with Shania being on hiatus for 2 years lol!!! Shania is one of the biggest and most successful artists of alltime. When she is ready she will be back and have another huge album. She isn't a media whore like the others, she is a music icon who does what she wants. and newsflash- Shania lives in Europe and lives a private life. She calls the shots and when she is ready she will return and it better be soon because her fans are getting upset. She is a hermit and doesn't tell her fans anything and everything is kept a secrete.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 17:51:54 GMT -5
You didn't read my post carefully enough. The Greatest Hits sales was between 2004 and 2006, the same time period as the Come On Over drop-off.
Not sure how much clearer I can spell it out for you.
Come On Over has had 2 years of low sales, the same time period of the Greatest Hits release. A clear impact from the GH album.
Meanwhile, for 16 years in a row, Metallica has been above 300K.
But if you believe prior trends will be reversed and Metallica will drop off and 'Come On Over' will reverse and sell a ton, who has the wishful thinking??
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 18:00:35 GMT -5
You didn't read my post carefully enough. The Greatest Hits sales was between 2004 and 2006, the same time period as the Come On Over drop-off. Not sure how much clearer I can spell it out for you. Come On Over has had 2 years of low sales, the same time period of the Greatest Hits release. A clear impact from the GH album. Meanwhile, for 16 years in a row, Metallica has been above 300K. But if you believe prior trends will be reversed and Metallica will drop off and 'Come On Over' will reverse and sell a ton, who has the wishful thinking?? You can't read properly. I said for the first 2 years the GH cd will take a bunch of the sales but after that COO will pick along with Shania's new album and more public appearances. Trends change all the time. I really don't care one way or the other because COO has sold more in music clubs and worldwide but I am just pointing out that maybe you should wait 3 years before making your bold and wishful predictions lol!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 18:07:57 GMT -5
Whatever
You can have your fantasy life I suppose. 'Metallica' will drop off and 'Come On Over' will again sell several hundred thousand a year.
But in the real world:
'Come On Over' appears to have run its course. If it were to have staying power on the catalog chart, we would have already seen it.
Unless there is a dramatic change in trends and all of a sudden a ten-year old album becomes a best-seller all over again
'Metallica' will be the best selling album in Soundscan history by the end of 2008.
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 19:43:04 GMT -5
Whatever You can have your fantasy life I suppose. 'Metallica' will drop off and 'Come On Over' will again sell several hundred thousand a year. But in the real world: 'Come On Over' appears to have run its course. If it were to have staying power on the catalog chart, we would have already seen it. Unless there is a dramatic change in trends and all of a sudden a ten-year old album becomes a best-seller all over again 'Metallica' will be the best selling album in Soundscan history by the end of 2008.Whatever makes you feel better or sleep better at night lmao!!!! Wow, you really are jealous of Shania. You sound really stupid since I would hardly call 2 years a trend. Don't hold your breath on your prediction since you spent so much of your time trying to argue why you think COO will not be #1 in 2 years lmao!! How old are you? And why do you care? Does Shania's massive success and fame and icon status bother you that much. In my opinion COO will be #1 on soundscan for a few more years and Metallica will run its course by the end of next year. And COO will pick up again once SHania has new music out. I would take my prediction over your wishful thinking lmao!!!
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Post by Jeff on Jan 5, 2007 20:00:41 GMT -5
With no promotion? Didn't she have like 4 singles and videos off her GH album? LMAO.... she was everywhere... 3.5 for a GH album for "one of the most successful people in history of the world.. ever." is minor IMO.
All i said was it seems like she's gone missing and I wanted new music, if you disagree with that, too bad for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 20:03:29 GMT -5
Whatever You can have your fantasy life I suppose. 'Metallica' will drop off and 'Come On Over' will again sell several hundred thousand a year. But in the real world: 'Come On Over' appears to have run its course. If it were to have staying power on the catalog chart, we would have already seen it. Unless there is a dramatic change in trends and all of a sudden a ten-year old album becomes a best-seller all over again 'Metallica' will be the best selling album in Soundscan history by the end of 2008.Whatever makes you feel better or sleep better at night lmao!!!! Wow, you really are jealous of Shania. You sound really stupid since I would hardly call 2 years a trend. Don't hold your breath on your prediction since you spent so much of your time trying to argue why you think COO will not be #1 in 2 years lmao!! How old are you? And why do you care? Does Shania's massive success and fame and icon status bother you that much. In my opinion COO will be #1 on soundscan for a few more years and Metallica will run its course by the end of next year. And COO will pick up again once SHania has new music out. I would take my prediction over your wishful thinking lmao!!! 'Metallica' will run its course by the end of next year, based on what? 16 year trend not long enough for you?? The rest of your comments are too irrational to respond to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 20:04:01 GMT -5
Just ignore potter66, 2m. Everyone else does. You're right
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Post by musicmania001 on Jan 5, 2007 20:07:51 GMT -5
What are the sells for her greatest hits album? Anyone?
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 20:10:04 GMT -5
Whatever makes you feel better or sleep better at night lmao!!!! Wow, you really are jealous of Shania. You sound really stupid since I would hardly call 2 years a trend. Don't hold your breath on your prediction since you spent so much of your time trying to argue why you think COO will not be #1 in 2 years lmao!! How old are you? And why do you care? Does Shania's massive success and fame and icon status bother you that much. In my opinion COO will be #1 on soundscan for a few more years and Metallica will run its course by the end of next year. And COO will pick up again once SHania has new music out. I would take my prediction over your wishful thinking lmao!!! 'Metallica' will run its course by the end of next year, based on what? 16 year trend not long enough for you?? The rest of your comments are too irrational to respond to. It seems you are basing your info on a 2 year trend with COO. Sorry but if this trend continues for 2 mores years then I will say okay but COO still has lots of legs in my opinion. I personally don't care, eitherway every album in the top 10 are massive albums and positions could change several times in the next 20 years. But I do find it funny that you continue to argue something that hasn't happenned yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 20:10:20 GMT -5
About 3.5 million
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Post by potter66 on Jan 5, 2007 20:13:19 GMT -5
With no promotion? Didn't she have like 4 singles and videos off her GH album? LMAO.... she was everywhere... 3.5 for a GH album for "one of the most successful people in history of the world.. ever." is minor IMO. All i said was it seems like she's gone missing and I wanted new music, if you disagree with that, too bad for you. You are joking right? lol!!! Shania was only in America for one week in 2004 when her Gh cd was released and that was it. She only promoted one single off of that cd(PF2) It is a flippen GH cd, not a cd of original music. Scanning 3.6 million in the States in 2 years is a huge success by anyones standards. And Gh cd's sell better over time like in 20 years. I said SHania is in Europe getting things in order for a possibly huge 2007 return.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 5, 2007 23:15:39 GMT -5
Actually that is wishful thinking on your part. Metallica will take much longer to reach #1 if at all. You are just guessing here. Shania's COO sales will pick up this year and the years after and Metallica won't sell 300,000 every year like you claim. And you have no clue what the fans will do. All Shania has to do is have a 10 years aniversary for COO and the sales will go through the roof.' And there are many people who don't have COO who will buy it in the future. I see Shania staying number one for at least 5 more years and beyond if she becomes more visible.
I wrote this in the Shania album topic but I'll copy it here too:
I'm thinking Metallica will pass Shania considering their sales have been higher and the album has been out a lot longer. Metallica, similar to artists like Led Zepplin, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, etc, are the type of band that will continue to appeal to new younger audiences all the time whereas Shania Twain might, but not to as large a degree and will pretty much sell to a similar crowd each time and as she ages, I think her fanbase average age will increase as well, even if not at the same rate.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 5, 2007 23:42:41 GMT -5
Like I said wishful thinking on your part. This was the slowest sales year for COO. It will pick up big time. All Shania has to do is be more visible. You don't have a clue about shania or her selling power. The second she becomes visible sales will pick up big time.
I think this part is funny. You say a prediction is wishful thinking when yours looks MORE to be wishful thinking because it's most UNlikely to happen UNLESS Shania does what you are saying she will AND that people will respond by buying COO. And please stop accusing people of not liking Shania. Get a grip!
You keep saying it COULD. That doesn't mean it will. I certainly have no doubt myself that Shania will continue to pick up new fans, ESPECIALLY if she releases a new CD this year, but Metallica are the type of band to ALWAYS pick up new fans every year. Them's the facts. Take em or lump em.
Neither do you. Why do you insist on arguing? The people are argue with have the SAME validity in their posts as you do. Only they aren't looking at their predictions with blind faith.
People that don't own the CD won't know that. The Greatest Hits CD is the safest bet and considering almost about half of COO appears on the GHs, I'd rather have GHs than COO (and I own the original AND the international version of COO).
You certain'y don't understand the selling power of anyone other than Shania.
I hope you're around here when the new album is out, just to see whether you're right and what reasons you come up with then to explain if you're wrong. No offense but you're really not making a good case for your side.
It takes two to argue.
I love how you can make up excuses for everything even though they contradict excuses made for other things. LMAO!!
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Post by juhn on Jan 6, 2007 5:14:42 GMT -5
potter66: How come until now you still don't get it - that your posts have done Shania a great disservice by turning everyone else off from her?
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Post by Patches on Jan 6, 2007 7:25:58 GMT -5
potter66: How come until now you still don't get it - that your posts have done Shania a great disservice by turning everyone else off from her? Word
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Post by Xavier on Jan 6, 2007 7:31:44 GMT -5
Ill most def be getting this album!!!..Shania's music all in one album!!!..yea!!!!!...Lets Go Girls!!!..lol
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