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Post by kellyfan1232 on Jul 28, 2007 6:51:44 GMT -5
Sadder still is that Stars Go Blind is better than anything on MD. Bwahahahaha!
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Post by nixmix on Jul 28, 2007 6:59:57 GMT -5
Sadder still is that Stars Go Blind is better than anything on MD. Sadder still that anybody could actually pretend to believe that.
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Post by Girls, girls, girls, girls... on Jul 28, 2007 7:22:14 GMT -5
Oh, and another 'Paris is a whore her music sucks' comment? How original!
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 28, 2007 7:33:28 GMT -5
Wow, if only Kelly's albums could explode the way her threads here do lol
Personally, I love My December, but she caused too much damage in the months leading to its release.
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Post by threeonthetree on Jul 28, 2007 8:20:47 GMT -5
Kelly is like one of my most favorite singers this decade but I just dont like MD.
I hope her next album is good
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Post by SILENCE on Jul 28, 2007 8:21:27 GMT -5
yeah no kidding...I mean first she got Dr. Luke to start posting all over the internet that the album wasn't any good and just for kicks she got Clive to diss the album in that music seminar, then she talked him into dissing her on the AI finale and as if all that wasn't enough, she began running around leaking insider RCA memos and getting Roger Friedman and Perez Hilton to trash the album months in advance....
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Post by kellyfan1232 on Jul 28, 2007 8:24:59 GMT -5
Kelly is a bad girl.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 28, 2007 8:58:01 GMT -5
people say kelly is being pathetic for doing what clive wants. but he isnt gonna let her release qhat she wants and she doesnt have the money to buy out of her contract. so she is just doing whatever so she can finish her contract. We all knew Kelly was gonna comeback to pop music thats played on radio sometime. but i never thought it would be this early.
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Post by TeddyR on Jul 28, 2007 8:59:09 GMT -5
yeah no kidding...I mean first she got Dr. Luke to start posting all over the internet that the album wasn't any good and just for kicks she got Clive to diss the album in that music seminar, then she talked him into dissing her on the AI finale and as if all that wasn't enough, she began running around leaking insider RCA memos and getting Roger Friedman and Perez Hilton to trash the album months in advance.... Her comments in the initial EW article predated the music seminar as did comments from Jeff Kwatinetz about problems with label . It was also noted by someone at the seminar that the info reported was taken a bit out of context and that Clive's comments didn't come across as critical as message board folks have made it out to be. So, maybe Kelly and her management can be held somewhat responsible for the way things went down.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Jul 28, 2007 9:02:24 GMT -5
I don't think she's selling out at all. Not even in the slightest. Kelly did more than most artists do and she stood up for herself and got this CD released and I think that was her main mission: to get the CD released and heard. She did her job. She accomplished her mission. Now that she got it out, I don't see any problem with compromising with the label to start making a new one. It's not like she's going to go all teeny bopper on us or anything. Kelly will be going back to what works for her the best and that is Pop/Rock. That's her niche. You can have mainstream hits while having substance as well. If she can strike a good balance between MD and Breakaway, I think she'd have an incredible album on her hands.
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Post by nixmix on Jul 28, 2007 9:55:12 GMT -5
Oh, and another 'Paris is a whore her music sucks' comment? How original! Reading comes hard to some people. I didn't say anything about her being a whore, and there is a reason why everybody says her music sucks! Back to Kelly...I think everybody is jumping the gun here a bit. I think My December will be floating around till - December, and then in the New Year she'll work on a new CD, probably to be released for the Christmas 08 market.
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Post by kellyfan1232 on Jul 28, 2007 10:22:36 GMT -5
I don't think she's selling out at all. Not even in the slightest. Kelly did more than most artists do and she stood up for herself and got this CD released and I think that was her main mission: to get the CD released and heard. She did her job. She accomplished her mission. Now that she got it out, I don't see any problem with compromising with the label to start making a new one. It's not like she's going to go all teeny bopper on us or anything. Kelly will be going back to what works for her the best and that is Pop/Rock. That's her niche. You can have mainstream hits while having substance as well. If she can strike a good balance between MD and Breakaway, I think she'd have an incredible album on her hands. Your my hero! Some kc fans and non kc fans need to chill a bit. Just because she is making an album that Clive wants doesnt mean its going to be like the rest of the crap thats on the radio. Kelly has great taste so we can accept an album that is better than BA.
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Post by "Raven~Symone" out now! on Jul 28, 2007 10:48:07 GMT -5
Sadder still is that Stars Are Blind is better than anything on MD. I agree. Its so much better than My December. Paris' music is awesome, alot of people like it. ;)
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 28, 2007 10:54:51 GMT -5
why is everyone saying the album Clive wants? did it ever cross anyone's mind that maybe kelly wants this album as well? she isnt gonna make an album she doesnt want or like. so both kelly and clive are on the same page like Breakaway which is an album they both wanted.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Jul 28, 2007 11:09:35 GMT -5
Good move. 'My December' is crap, crap, crap...A total mess. She should rely on proffesional songwriters and stop putting them out of jobs by writing her own crappy songs. She has a great voice, that's her trade - SINGING! So sing the well-arranged Pop like "Breakwaway" "Since U Been Gone" "Hazel Eyes" "Gone" and "Because of You." There were no hooks on this album. Nothing memorable or catchy at all...It sounded like she was trying hard to be 'credible' with the whole singer-songwriting thing...and a harder sound...It doesn't work, Kelly. Go back to NORMAL...
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Post by desertflower on Jul 28, 2007 11:15:19 GMT -5
BWAHAHAHA!!!
Only if you like completely Pro-tooled music. I'll take Kelly at her worse...cause she is actually singing.
I sure get sick of all this Pop Tarts who make albums cause they are cute....it doesn't matter if they can sing or not....because they can fix it in the Studio. And to top it off give them writing credits for never writing anything.
Say what you want about My December and Kelly...she can sing! She is real. I sure she will bring something special to the next album, even with Clive chosen songs....because....she is an Artist, unlike the Pop Tarts.
There is a reason WHY Paris has never performed live. imo
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Post by nixmix on Jul 28, 2007 11:20:46 GMT -5
Sadder still is that Stars Are Blind is better than anything on MD. I agree. Its so much better than My December. Paris' music is awesome, alot of people like it. ;) I'm sorry, I just don't accept that anybody could honestly believe that the material on Paris' debut album (including the dreadful SAB) is better than Maybe, Irvine, How I Feel...frankly, it's like anybody who truly feels that doesn't DESERVE an opinion. OK, I can accept the under-tens might have leaning towards the proverbial musical candifloss that is PH and her terrible album, but really, those people should be doing their homework and asking permission from their parents before making ridiculous claims like that on their keyboard. I know art is subjective etc. but there must be objective standard by which we view it or else nothing could ever be deemed 'good' or 'bad'. Paris album has been deemed, almost universally, terrible. The majority of critics have labled MD as distinct artistic growth from Clarkson. And that is, growth from her other, well-received projects. Not growth from a porn video. Quality-wise (lyrics, music, voice) Paris' album is far below Kelly's, even if it isn't as good by her own standard. They are barely even comparable...'catchy', 'frothy' or 'hook-filled' does not equal 'good', nor does 'earnest', 'subtle' or 'dark' equal bad. And visa versa actually. In this case though...
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 28, 2007 11:46:10 GMT -5
But what happened to her being so financially set for life and wanting to do "real" music now? If she's so rich why not just leave Clive and start making the music you LOVE your own WAY, independtly? Instead of going back doing something you clearly hate and being controlled all along the way? For one thing, she's under contract and has to deliver another album. Another is that Clive let her release the album she wanted, don't forget he didn't have to do that so she does owe him a bit- and she always said even before "My December" was released that she would do the album Clive wanted her to do next- so she's not really changing her plans. And I do think that not getting the radio hits she got the last album, she is finding out she liked having that more than she thought. Sometimes you only miss it after it's gone. No matter what she says, I think she is very shocked about the album sales and radio play. She said she laughed at the guy who she says had the nerve to tell her she would only sell around 600,000 copies- but that may not be far off the mark and I think she's been taken by surprise over it. Word! I think you are absolutely right. Kelly seems to have thought she didn't need anyone except her band members and herself to make MD, and that the music-buying public would fall all over themselves to buy anything she put out. It would have worked if she had delivered a truly excellent album. She didn't. Ony time will tell how much damage this episode has done to her career. I hope her next album is a genuine SMASH!!!
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Post by Tha Kid Wit Tha Flow on Jul 28, 2007 11:48:11 GMT -5
I have to agree My Decemeber was Kelly's Try This, with barely any album sales. P!nk's album has sold 750,000. I hope this sells more than Try This.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 28, 2007 11:54:04 GMT -5
Oh please shut up people - the same people that wanted her to flop and hated this era are now the ones saying 'this is sad' 'what happened to standing up for herself?' and that Kelly is 'out of control, rushing things too much and is selling out'.
This thread should be locked till the label announces official plans for this album.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 28, 2007 11:55:38 GMT -5
I don't think she's selling out at all. Not even in the slightest. Kelly did more than most artists do and she stood up for herself and got this CD released and I think that was her main mission: to get the CD released and heard. She did her job. She accomplished her mission. Neither do I think she's selling out. I think she's keeping her word. She said that if Clive would let her release MD, she would do any album he wanted the next time. And...if MD had been a genuinely excellent album with serious hits on it, none of us would be having this conversation now. Life lesson for all of us...when you put yourself out on a limb to do something you insist on doing, and you refuse any help in doing it: (1) make sure you seriously deliver big time, and (2) don't saw the limb off while you still haven't accomplished #1.
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Post by Focus on Jul 28, 2007 12:00:02 GMT -5
Oh please shut up people - the same people that wanted her to flop and hated this era are now the ones saying 'this is sad' 'what happened to standing up for herself?' and that Kelly is 'out of control, rushing things too much and is selling out'. This thread should be locked till the label announces official plans for this album.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 28, 2007 12:04:02 GMT -5
why is everyone saying the album Clive wants? did it ever cross anyone's mind that maybe kelly wants this album as well? she isnt gonna make an album she doesnt want or like. so both kelly and clive are on the same page like Breakaway which is an album they both wanted. Ashley, you're brilliant. Really. Kelly gave her word to Clive that if he let her put out MD, she'd do the album he wants next time. She's keeping her word. And I'm certain the music will be a compromise between what Kelly wants to do and what Clive wants. Kelly is just too tough and stubborn to back down completely. And that's a good thing, because the music industry is a very tough one. Besides, people forget about her new management. Reba and her husband are very savvy. They've been around a long time and know what it takes to make hits. They also have a lot of power in the industry. Kelly trusts them, so I'm sure she'll let them mentor her. I'm sure they'll back her up to the hilt to get music on her next CD that Kelly cares about.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 28, 2007 12:10:25 GMT -5
Oh please shut up people - the same people that wanted her to flop and hated this era are now the ones saying 'this is sad' 'what happened to standing up for herself?' and that Kelly is 'out of control, rushing things too much and is selling out'. This thread should be locked till the label announces official plans for this album. Actually, if you read all the posts on both the MD thread and this one, like I have, you'll see that a number of Kelly's most ardent supporters throughout the MD era are the people saying 'this is sad', 'won't buy the next album', etc. As for locking the thread, I'll leave that to the mods, but my first post on here was about being in such a hurry to start the new era thread when there hasn't been an official announcement about a new album.
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Post by Berry on Jul 28, 2007 13:38:03 GMT -5
when they do start on the new album i hope thats in not with Dr Luke and Max Martin because everyone knows what there sound is and at the moment its not very unique, because when SUBG came out it was something different from Kelly. I would like for them to try that again, not a SUBG rip off but a song that would have that sort of impact. I agree with what lyrichord said in the other thread, get Kelly to work with other well known writers but maybe not the obvious pop/rockers.
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Post by "Raven~Symone" out now! on Jul 28, 2007 14:30:59 GMT -5
I agree. Its so much better than My December. Paris' music is awesome, alot of people like it. ;) I'm sorry, I just don't accept that anybody could honestly believe that the material on Paris' debut album (including the dreadful SAB) is better than Maybe, Irvine, How I Feel...frankly, it's like anybody who truly feels that doesn't DESERVE an opinion. OK, I can accept the under-tens might have leaning towards the proverbial musical candifloss that is PH and her terrible album, but really, those people should be doing their homework and asking permission from their parents before making ridiculous claims like that on their keyboard. I know art is subjective etc. but there must be objective standard by which we view it or else nothing could ever be deemed 'good' or 'bad'. Paris album has been deemed, almost universally, terrible. The majority of critics have labled MD as distinct artistic growth from Clarkson. And that is, growth from her other, well-received projects. Not growth from a porn video. Quality-wise (lyrics, music, voice) Paris' album is far below Kelly's, even if it isn't as good by her own standard. They are barely even comparable...'catchy', 'frothy' or 'hook-filled' does not equal 'good', nor does 'earnest', 'subtle' or 'dark' equal bad. And visa versa actually. In this case though... Sorry, but Kellys album was bad...alot of people just dont like it. Her writings arent really that good. Paris' album got many positive reviews, and many critics thought it was better than anything Britney, Christina, or Jessica have ever released! And I believe Paris' album is better than Kelly's, and thats MY opinion as well as others. I DO deserve an opinion, your just close minded. Nobody can deny that Paris had some very good songs and writings on her album. Do not label Paris as a porn star, she is not. The tape was released without her consent. Kelly's album is 'good', or 'dark'...With all these "dark" songs, it looks like 'good girl playing rocker'! Lmmfao. ;) Stop hatin on Paris in a Kelly Clarkson thread.
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Post by sunpeach on Jul 28, 2007 15:08:23 GMT -5
I think "My December" was a good album, I just don't think it alligns with the mood of the country at the moment. "Sober" is a brilliant song, one of her best- but it's at the wrong place at the wrong time- it's summer and I think people are looking for something to lift us out of the doldrums, not something to make us dwell on it. The world is depressing enough, people are looking for escapism at the moment. But it is a good album but I don't think people want too much introspection right now- another time, another place it might have gotten a much better reception.
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Post by ashley14 on Jul 28, 2007 16:14:24 GMT -5
my only hope is that Dr. Luke doesnt produce the whole album. Im fine with 1 or 2 songs on the album but not the WHOLE thing. sort of how Breakaway had different producers. but not so it becomes Breakaway pt.2
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Post by un4gitible on Jul 28, 2007 16:28:20 GMT -5
Good move. 'My December' is crap, crap, crap...A total mess. She should rely on proffesional songwriters and stop putting them out of jobs by writing her own crappy songs. She has a great voice, that's her trade - SINGING! So sing the well-arranged Pop like "Breakwaway" "Since U Been Gone" "Hazel Eyes" "Gone" and "Because of You." There were no hooks on this album. Nothing memorable or catchy at all...It sounded like she was trying hard to be 'credible' with the whole singer-songwriting thing...and a harder sound...It doesn't work, Kelly. Go back to NORMAL... Um ... you do realize that Kelly wrote on Behind These Hazel Eyes and Because of You right? (I believe she was the PRIMARY writer on both these songs even - I know she was for sure for BOY). She also was a contributing writer (again listed 1st, I believe, meaning she was the primary writer of teh song) on the track that many list as their favorite song from Breakaway (Addicted). Why are the same people that said she should have done Breakaway II instead of My December NOW saying that it's a disappointment that she will be doing (In their opinion) Breakaway II with the next cd? LOL It's like I've said all along - some people just wanna hate so no matter WHAT she does, it will be the wrong decision haha I think it's WAY early for this thread. 2008 is a long ways away - especially if it's the end of 2008! Also, My December was originally due in November of 2006 and it didn't come out until June of 2007. If that same delay of product holds true, we may not get the next cd until the middle of 2009. I think this thread is definitely jumping the gun just a tad bit.
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Post by un4gitible on Jul 28, 2007 16:33:22 GMT -5
Sorry, but Kellys Paris' album was bad...alot of people just dont like it. Her writings songs arent really that good.
Paris' Kelly's album got many positive reviews, and many critics thought it was better than anything Britney, Christina, or Jessica have ever released!
And I believe Paris' Kelly's album is better than Kelly's Paris', and thats MY opinion as well as others. I DO deserve an opinion, your you're just close minded. Nobody can deny that Paris Kelly had some very good songs and writings on her album.
Do not Label Paris as a porn star, because she is not. The tape was released without her consent. Kelly's Paris' album is 'good' 'craptastic' , or 'dark' s**tty ...With all these "dark" "s**tty" songs, it looks like 'good porn girl playing rocker singer'! Lmmfao.
Stop hatin on pimpin' Paris in a Kelly Clarkson thread.
There - that reads much better! haha
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