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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 14:46:33 GMT -5
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Post by desertflower on Apr 20, 2008 15:02:30 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL
Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria.
Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA
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Post by summer on Apr 20, 2008 15:06:35 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA I think Celine could have done a better job but not christina or Mariah. I like Christina's tone but she drags the note for to long. I cant explain it. Like when she goes for the high notes she doesnt sing it smoothly. I still cant explain it. and Mariah is to busy lip synching her own music. Her voice is not the same as it used to be. Anyways did anyone else think the pope looked scary looking? I dont mean to say anything mean about the pope but he is just scary looking. He was freaking me out during the preforamnce.
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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 15:28:48 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA I completely disagree with you. But that's just my opinion and I'm entitled to mine as you are entitled to yours.
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Post by Bluesy on Apr 20, 2008 16:35:40 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Of course Kelly is not the only good female singer around in the pop world. But surely you realize the difference between what we heard in Kelly's performance of Ave Maria yesterday and the typical performance we hear from women like those you mentioned. The Christinas, Mariahs and Celines of the music world are always supported and surrounded by top notch productions. Kelly rarely is. Yesterday Kelly was outdoors in an open area, not even a band shell. That means the location provided zero acoustical aid to the vocalist and musicians. She performed only with a violinist, pianist and guitarist, and not with any background singers that I heard. It was just Kelly's voice and the three musicians in absolute purity of music, totally stripped down to its basic elements. What that means is you hear it all undisguised or mitigated by any modern production techniques. So you hear the slightly too quick pace at the beginning until nerves settle down. You hear the texture in her voice. It's not smoothed and made silky through a carefully produced situation. You hear Kelly's breath control limitations. But what you also hear is a rich, powerful, warm, natural voice full of sincerity and emotion. I still maintain, and always will, that the greatest singers are not those with technically perfect vocals, but those who touch the hearts of their audiences in some way. I could provide you with a long list of music icons who don't (or didn't) have great technical voices, but whose music isn't likely to ever fade away. People like Elvis, Johnny Cash, Rod Stewart, Willie Nelson, and Elton John come to mind immediately, but there are many others. Sometimes we should just put the judgemental aspects of our natures aside and enjoy something for what it is, not what we think it should be. Simple. Pure. Heartfelt. Magnificent. That was a great performance by Kelly yesterday. I feel privileged to have heard it.
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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 16:41:49 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Of course Kelly is not the only good female singer around in the pop world. But surely you realize the difference between what we heard in Kelly's performance of Ave Maria yesterday and the typical performance we hear from women like those you mentioned. The Christinas, Mariahs and Celines of the music world are always supported and surrounded by top notch productions. Kelly rarely is. Yesterday Kelly was outdoors in an open area, not even a band shell. That means the location provided zero acoustical aid to the vocalist and musicians. She performed only with a violinist, pianist and guitarist, and not with any background singers that I heard. It was just Kelly's voice and the three musicians in absolute purity of music, totally stripped down to its basic elements. What that means is you hear it all undisguised or mitigated by any modern production techniques. So you hear the slightly too quick pace at the beginning until nerves settle down. You hear the texture in her voice. It's not smoothed and made silky through a carefully produced situation. You hear Kelly's breath control limitations. But what you also hear is a rich, powerful, warm, natural voice full of sincerity and emotion. I still maintain, and always will, that the greatest singers are not those with technically perfect vocals, but those who touch the hearts of their audiences in some way. I could provide you with a long list of music icons who don't (or didn't) have great technical voices, but whose music isn't likely to ever fade away. People like Elvis, Johnny Cash, Rod Stewart, Willie Nelson, and Elton John come to mind immediately, but there are many others. Sometimes we should just put the judgemental aspects of our natures aside and enjoy something for what it is, not what we think it should be. Simple. Pure. Heartfelt. Magnificent. That was a great performance by Kelly yesterday. I feel privileged to have heard it. LOVELY!! Beautifully put music4aw! I know we've had our differences when it comes to Kelly's artistic decisions and musical direction, but we are as one when contemplating Kelly's incredible gift, her voice.
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Post by Nevermind on Apr 20, 2008 16:42:23 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Of course Kelly is not the only good female singer around in the pop world. But surely you realize the difference between what we heard in Kelly's performance of Ave Maria yesterday and the typical performance we hear from women like those you mentioned. The Christinas, Mariahs and Celines of the music world are always supported and surrounded by top notch productions. Kelly rarely is. Yesterday Kelly was outdoors in an open area, not even a band shell. That means the location provided zero acoustical aid to the vocalist and musicians. She performed only with a violinist, pianist and guitarist, and not with any background singers that I heard. It was just Kelly's voice and the three musicians in absolute purity of music, totally stripped down to its basic elements. What that means is you hear it all undisguised or mitigated by any modern production techniques. So you hear the slightly too quick pace at the beginning until nerves settle down. You hear the texture in her voice. It's not smoothed and made silky through a carefully produced situation. You hear Kelly's breath control limitations. But what you also hear is a rich, powerful, warm, natural voice full of sincerity and emotion. I still maintain, and always will, that the greatest singers are not those with technically perfect vocals, but those who touch the hearts of their audiences in some way. I could provide you with a long list of music icons who don't (or didn't) have great technical voices, but whose music isn't likely to ever fade away. People like Elvis, Johnny Cash, Rod Stewart, Willie Nelson, and Elton John come to mind immediately, but there are many others. Sometimes we should just put the judgemental aspects of our natures aside and enjoy something for what it is, not what we think it should be. Simple. Pure. Heartfelt. Magnificent. That was a great performance by Kelly yesterday. I feel privileged to have heard it. Wow, brilliant post! I totally agree ith everything you've said. The thing I find so endearing about Kelly's records are the sheer emotion behind them, in songs like Maybe and Sober I completely feel her pain, and thats something the technical singers like Mariah sorely lack.
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Post by SILENCE on Apr 20, 2008 16:44:26 GMT -5
Bravo music4aw!!
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Post by K. on Apr 20, 2008 17:04:57 GMT -5
Wow. She sounded amazing!
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Post by desertflower on Apr 20, 2008 17:28:00 GMT -5
I said she did a good job, and I meant it. You all better be careful about dissing of Mariah or Christina, their fans will not be happy.
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Post by Bluesy on Apr 20, 2008 17:31:23 GMT -5
LOVELY!! Beautifully put music4aw! I know we've had our differences when it comes to Kelly's artistic decisions and musical direction, but we are as one when contemplating Kelly's incredible gift, her voice. All dedicated Kelly fans want what's best for her. Our only differences stem from our various beliefs as to what that may be. I'm just glad that we're now moving into the future and looking forward to her new album. :)
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Post by Bluesy on Apr 20, 2008 17:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Kal-El on Apr 20, 2008 17:41:20 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Someone who has Clay in their avatar = someone we shouldn't be listening to.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Apr 20, 2008 17:42:36 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Someone who has Clay in their avatar = someone we shouldn't be listening to. LOL. I was going to say the same thing.
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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 17:46:01 GMT -5
I said she did a good job, and I meant it. You all better be careful about dissing of Mariah or Christina, their fans will not be happy. I guess I missed the dissing part.
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Post by Kal-El on Apr 20, 2008 17:48:01 GMT -5
I said she did a good job, and I meant it. You all better be careful about dissing of Mariah or Christina, their fans will not be happy. I guess I missed the dissing part. I know it's kind of juvenile way of posting. Sort of like 'olive branch' statement that didn't really fit.
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Post by desertflower on Apr 20, 2008 17:49:48 GMT -5
I think Kelly did a great job...but seriously she is not the only good female singer out there....you guys are making her sound like a gift brought down from the Gods...LOL Christina, Celine, Mariah are all better singers....I am sure they can sing straight if they wanted to. Hell Kelly yells in concert but she didn't do it during Ave Maria. Now I seriously doubt Ashlee or Brittany could have done it HAHA Someone who has Clay in their avatar = someone we shouldn't be listening to. What difference does it make who is on my AVI? Oh I can't like Kelly because I like Clay? I like lots of Artists. Clay is my primary love but I like other people too. Great way to run off people. Besides...you don't even have to be a fan to post in any thread here.
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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 17:55:17 GMT -5
Someone who has Clay in their avatar = someone we shouldn't be listening to. What difference does it make who is on my AVI? Oh I can't like Kelly because I like Clay? I like lots of Artists. Clay is my primary love but I like other people too. Great way to run off people. Besides...you don't even have to be a fan to post in any thread here. desert, I think it's because you keep posting that you like Kelly, and then you do this passive/aggressive dissing of her. People do notice things like that.
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Post by selenatisdale411 on Apr 20, 2008 18:29:22 GMT -5
Here's to enough talk about that! That new kelly performance may well be the best of her career! Oh no you did not. I can talk about whatever I want in this thread as long it relates to Kelly Clarkson. She disappointed last time and needs to step it up with this next album. I have a bad feeling that with Clive's departure as CEO, this album will have a worse fate than the last. Also WOW Kelly is an incredibly overhyped artist as well as her music on here. She really does have a great, unique voice but with only one truly successful era of her career she is treated like a goddess. I think it is too early for that kind of treatment.
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Post by desertflower on Apr 20, 2008 18:29:22 GMT -5
What difference does it make who is on my AVI? Oh I can't like Kelly because I like Clay? I like lots of Artists. Clay is my primary love but I like other people too. Great way to run off people. Besides...you don't even have to be a fan to post in any thread here. desert, I think it's because you keep posting that you like Kelly, and then you do this passive/aggressive dissing of her. People do notice things like that. I said she did a good job, I didn't post anything negative about her performance...I was just commenting that I thought others could have sung Ave Maria just as well or in Celine's case better. It was in response to the OTT posts about Kelly being the voice of the century. I think Kelly has a GREAT voice, but I think other singers do too. A person can like Kelly and enjoy her music without being a diehard fan. Heck I don't even think Clay does everyone perfectly nor do I think he can sing better than anyone else. There is room for realism you know. It really rubs the wrong way when you go on and on about how Kelly is the greatest thing that ever walked on the face of the earth and diss other artists. I like Kelly but damn you guys can really run off people who do like her, who don't think she is perfect in every way.
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Post by whistle on Apr 20, 2008 18:59:20 GMT -5
A person can like Kelly and enjoy her music without being a diehard fan. Heck I don't even think Clay does everyone perfectly nor do I think he can sing better than anyone else. There is room for realism you know.
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Post by Kal-El on Apr 20, 2008 19:33:16 GMT -5
Here's to enough talk about that! That new kelly performance may well be the best of her career! Oh no you did not. I can talk about whatever I want in this thread as long it relates to Kelly Clarkson. She disappointed last time and needs to step it up with this next album. I have a bad feeling that with Clive's departure as CEO, this album will have a worse fate than the last. Also WOW Kelly is an incredibly overhyped artist as well as her music on here. She really does have a great, unique voice but with only one truly successful era of her career she is treated like a goddess. I think it is too early for that kind of treatment. OK, you go on then, you just be that big bad 'truth teller' that's gonna keep us in line and bring us back down to earth. Go on.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Apr 20, 2008 19:37:00 GMT -5
A person can like Kelly and enjoy her music without being a diehard fan. Heck I don't even think Clay does everyone perfectly nor do I think he can sing better than anyone else. There is room for realism you know.
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Post by SILENCE on Apr 20, 2008 19:55:24 GMT -5
I said she did a good job, I didn't post anything negative about her performance...I was just commenting that I thought others could have sung Ave Maria just as well or in Celine's case better. It was in response to the OTT posts about Kelly being the voice of the century. I think Kelly has a GREAT voice, but I think other singers do too. and I don't think anyone said others didn't have a good voice. this isn't a general artist thread dessert, this is Kelly's thread... why should her fans give equal time and/or praise to others who may or may not sing as well? There absolutely is room for realism but there is realism and there is attempting to jab at Kelly while hiding behind the "I really do like her" passive/aggressive schtick. I've seen plenty of Kelly fans in this thread saying when her voice isn't up to par and I've seen even more critics and detractors making claims that Kelly's voice is shot and will never again be as magnificent as it once was....this performance proved the naysayers wrong. Kelly's voice is as spectacular as ever, maybe even moreso. So I guess it's a little understandable that the Kellyfans who are here are celebrating what has been basically universally praised as an awe inspiring performance. Well what would you expect in Kelly's thread? We're fans..I don't see any other artists' fans expected to downplay their praise of their favorites and trust me I see plenty of dissing of other artists in various threads too... and no one said Kelly was the greatest thing to walk the earth...talk about hyperbole not to mention if you don't like seeing people praise Kelly, you could stay out of her thread.... :o Honestly, I think the main problem is there are certain factions would would've liked nothing more than for Kelly to sound like crap and she didn't.... selena: you are free to talk about whatever you like but this thread wasn't started so a rehash could be done of the My December era... this is about the new album...moving on.... try it... Kelly has released three albums... one went double platinum, one went 6x platinum and the last one went platinum. I'd say that's three successful eras by anyones standards. As for Kelly being overhyped...I can only assume that you haven't been here long...Kelly has more detractors on this site than almost any other artist... heck even her own fans complain about her LOL...
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Post by desertflower on Apr 20, 2008 20:09:16 GMT -5
Hell you guys troll in lots of threads that of Artists you don't like and you are not eactly passive-aggressive...just outright aggressive. That is the reason why people don't like you.
I wouldn't brag to much about the Platinum Award for My December...anyone can look up her sales for My December and see for themselves whether she has really sold anywhere close to 1 Million. And overseas sales do not count for that. But hey Kelly isn't the only one to get a Plantinum certification that is undeserved.
Kelly has pretty much gotten a free ride about that album flopping. But she won't with the next album. Hopefully she puts out music that someone other than diehard fans will like.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Apr 20, 2008 20:10:20 GMT -5
I said she did a good job, I didn't post anything negative about her performance...I was just commenting that I thought others could have sung Ave Maria just as well or in Celine's case better. It was in response to the OTT posts about Kelly being the voice of the century. I think Kelly has a GREAT voice, but I think other singers do too. and I don't think anyone said others didn't have a good voice. this isn't a general artist thread dessert, this is Kelly's thread... why should her fans give equal time and/or praise to others who may or may not sing as well? There absolutely is room for realism but there is realism and there is attempting to jab at Kelly while hiding behind the "I really do like her" passive/aggressive schtick. I've seen plenty of Kelly fans in this thread saying when her voice isn't up to par and I've seen even more critics and detractors making claims that Kelly's voice is shot and will never again be as magnificent as it once was....this performance proved the naysayers wrong. Kelly's voice is as spectacular as ever, maybe even moreso. So I guess it's a little understandable that the Kellyfans who are here are celebrating what has been basically universally praised as an awe inspiring performance. Well what would you expect in Kelly's thread? We're fans..I don't see any other artists' fans expected to downplay their praise of their favorites and trust me I see plenty of dissing of other artists in various threads too... and no one said Kelly was the greatest thing to walk the earth...talk about hyperbole not to mention if you don't like seeing people praise Kelly, you could stay out of her thread.... :o Honestly, I think the main problem is there are certain factions would would've liked nothing more than for Kelly to sound like crap and she didn't.... selena: you are free to talk about whatever you like but this thread wasn't started so a rehash could be done of the My December era... this is about the new album...moving on.... try it... Kelly has released three albums... one went double platinum, one went 6x platinum and the last one went platinum. I'd say that's three successful eras by anyones standards. As for Kelly being overhyped...I can only assume that you haven't been here long...Kelly has more detractors on this site than almost any other artist... heck even her own fans complain about her LOL... Excellent post Silence!
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Post by neally on Apr 20, 2008 20:32:42 GMT -5
desert, I think it's because you keep posting that you like Kelly, and then you do this passive/aggressive dissing of her. People do notice things like that. I said she did a good job, I didn't post anything negative about her performance...I was just commenting that I thought others could have sung Ave Maria just as well or in Celine's case better. It was in response to the OTT posts about Kelly being the voice of the century. I think Kelly has a GREAT voice, but I think other singers do too. A person can like Kelly and enjoy her music without being a diehard fan. Heck I don't even think Clay does everyone perfectly nor do I think he can sing better than anyone else. There is room for realism you know. It really rubs the wrong way when you go on and on about how Kelly is the greatest thing that ever walked on the face of the earth and diss other artists. I like Kelly but damn you guys can really run off people who do like her, who don't think she is perfect in every way. You are more than entitled to your opinion of who you think sings well and who doesn't but I would think that belongs in an opinion thread (such as this one: pulsemusic.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=opinion&action=display&thread=59289&page=1 ). Heck if the discussion is so important to you, I would suggest starting a thread such as "Who sang 'Ave Maria' live the best ? ", LOL.... Kindly provide me a link to the post in this thread which states or directly implies that "Kelly is the greatest thing that ever walked on the face of the earth (and is) is perfect in every way" that you allege is being written in this thread. I would very much like to see that ! It clearly does not take a NASA scientist to accurately decipher one's veiled motives or intentions behind his/her post. While I am not implying that you have such motives, it is clear that the reception that you have received to your posts on this page suggests that many posters in this thread feel that you do. I, too, would think (and hope) that PULSE's members have a clear understanding that this forum is NOT a fanclub (or anti-fanclub) by any means as the mods/admins frequently state....
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Post by Focus on Apr 20, 2008 20:34:09 GMT -5
A person named Drakefan posted a video of Ave Maria that they took from the audience. You can hear how powerful Kelly sounds way back on the field and the loud applause of the audience. The audio is really good. youtube.com/watch?v=E3TO6AwZYwM
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Post by Modern Myth on Apr 20, 2008 20:34:32 GMT -5
I love when people say they hate "My December," but love "Breakaway." I don't get it. They are so similar, so similar. They're both huge depressing albums. I don't see the differences. There are none, I think the lyrics are better on "My December" and that's about it.
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Post by neally on Apr 20, 2008 20:37:41 GMT -5
Hell you guys troll in lots of threads that of Artists you don't like and you are not eactly passive-aggressive...just outright aggressive. That is the reason why people don't like you. I wouldn't brag to much about the Platinum Award for My December...anyone can look up her sales for My December and see for themselves whether she has really sold anywhere close to 1 Million. And overseas sales do not count for that. But hey Kelly isn't the only one to get a Plantinum certification that is undeserved. Kelly has pretty much gotten a free ride about that album flopping. But she won't with the next album. Hopefully she puts out music that someone other than diehard fans will like. Can you please cut out the "you guys" and "people don't like you" statements in the public form, IMO. If you have a personal beef with a poster, I would think the private inbox would the proper venue. Moreover, I do not understand how this is any ways pertains to Kelly. I hope this forum's moderator, LPL, provides her input on the matter....
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