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Post by Slinky on Jun 30, 2008 19:30:51 GMT -5
They were already leaning that way, but, looking at their top 10, it looks like this station took the plunge to be fully CHR this week:
22 1 USHER Love In This Club f/Y. Jeezy 49 24 25 0.5669
6 2 FLO RIDA Low f/T-Pain 45 40 5 0.4984
21 3 CHRIS BROWN With You 44 24 20 0.5264
4 4 ALICIA KEYS No One 43 44 -1 0.5022
2 5 JORDIN SPARKS No Air f/Chris Brown 42 46 -4 0.487
31 6 RIHANNA Take A Bow 41 15 26 0.4639
12 7 RIHANNA Hate That I Love You (f/Ne-Yo) 40 33 7 0.4446
11 8 COLDPLAY Viva La Vida 34 33 1 0.389
9 9 DANITY KANE Damaged 33 35 -2 0.3787
1 10 THREE DAYS GRACE Never Too Late 32 47 -15 0.3683
8 11 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Pocketful Of Sunshine 31 35 -4 0.3152
13 12 COLBIE CAILLAT Realize 31 32 -1 0.3718
3 13 LEONA LEWIS Bleeding Love 31 45 -14 0.3388
19 14 JESSE MCCARTNEY Leavin' 31 28 3 0.3453
23 15 COLBY O'DONIS What You Got f/Akon 31 22 9 0.2911
7 16 3 DOORS DOWN It's Not My Time 30 35 -5 0.3692
14 17 FINGER ELEVEN Paralyzer 30 31 -1 0.3639
10 18 MADONNA 4 Minutes 30 35 -5 0.3198
25 19 KATY PERRY I Kissed A Girl 30 21 9 0.3313
94 20 GAVIN ROSSDALE Love Remains The Same 30 3 27 0.2831
15 21 SARA BAREILLES Love Song 29 30 -1 0.3173
123 22 METRO STATION Shake It 29 1 28 0.2577
18 23 BUCKCHERRY Sorry 27 28 -1 0.3366
26 24 DAUGHTRY Over You 24 19 5 0.2429
17 25 LINKIN PARK Shadow Of The Day 24 29 -5 0.2695
30 26 SANTANA Into The Night (f/C. Kroeger) 21 18 3 0.2249
28 27 COLBIE CAILLAT Bubbly 20 18 2 0.1823
27 28 JORDIN SPARKS Tattoo 20 19 1 0.2534
32 29 CHRIS BROWN Forever 14 12 2 0.1194
5 30 RIHANNA Don't Stop The Music 12 44 -32 0.1575
37 31 WEEZER Beverly Hills 12 10 2 0.1048
34 32 MAROON 5 Wake Up Call 11 10 1 0.1115
29 33 NICKELBACK If Everyone Cared 11 18 -7 0.1132
46 34 FRAY Over My Head (Cable Car) 10 8 2 0.109
51 35 PINK U + Ur Hand 10 8 2 0.1301
24 36 DAUGHTRY Feels Like Tonight 9 21 -12 0.1173
44 37 FERGIE Big Girls Don't Cry (Personal) 9 8 1 0.1145
59 38 FERGIE Clumsy 9 6 3 0.1059
45 39 FRAY How To Save A Life 9 8 1 0.1288
47 40 GORILLAZ Feel Good Inc 9 8 1 0.0937
33 41 MAROON 5 If I Never See... f/Rihanna 9 12 -3 0.1271
48 42 NICKELBACK Photograph 9 8 1 0.1059
49 43 NICKELBACK Rockstar 9 8 1 0.0945
50 44 NICKELBACK Savin' Me 9 8 1 0.1144
38 45 AUGUSTANA Boston 8 9 -1 0.0992
66 46 BEYONCE Irreplaceable 8 5 3 0.0992
40 47 GNARLS BARKLEY Crazy 8 9 -1 0.0878
53 48 MAROON 5 Makes Me Wonder 8 7 1 0.1363
- 49 JOHN MAYER Dreaming With A Broken Heart 8 0 8 0.0678
35 50 PINK Who Knew 8 10 -2 0.069
Agree/disagree? I have a feeling Mediabase will be moving them soon. The only thing that makes them not CHR in my mind is how slow they are on new music, but they fit better in CHR than Hot AC now.
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Post by tico on Jul 4, 2008 14:29:22 GMT -5
Playing Flo Rida and Danity Kane makes them a CHR in my book. Eight of the top ten are songs you could find on a rhythmic chart.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 4, 2008 17:14:57 GMT -5
Playing Flo Rida and Danity Kane makes them a CHR in my book. Eight of the top ten are songs you could find on a rhythmic chart. The majority of their playlist still consists of Hot AC friendly songs though. It's a tough call. Their rotation is still definitely Hot AC, but agreed that that Flo Rida song (not so much Danity Kane as I can see some Hot AC's playing that one) has no business anywhere near a Hot AC station. That Usher song is a real stretch too! Yeah, upon further review, I'd classify them as a CHR too. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 5, 2008 9:31:30 GMT -5
I agree 100%; Hot AC stations have no business playing Rhianna, Chris Brown, Flo Rida or any other hard-core rap/rhythmic stuff.
That's a CHR/Pop playlist, except that it looks like one with a very old playlist, as well as not playing their 'powers' 90-120+ times per week, as most top 40 stations do.
In other words this station is a mess---too many songs which don't fit the Hot AC format, and no songs with 90+ spins.
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Post by tico on Jul 5, 2008 10:53:05 GMT -5
I agree 100%; Hot AC stations have no business playing Rhianna, Chris Brown, Flo Rida or any other hard-core rap/rhythmic stuff. That's a CHR/Pop playlist, except that it looks like one with a very old playlist, as well as not playing their 'powers' 90-120+ times per week, as most top 40 stations do. In other words this station is a mess---too many songs which don't fit the Hot AC format, and no songs with 90+ spins. I'll agree with you on Flo Rida and rap songs, but I believe hot ACs can play Rihanna and Chris Brown. I don't hot AC should restrict itself to only playing pop/rock music. |
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Post by Nostalgia Kills on Jul 5, 2008 11:46:28 GMT -5
Both Toronto Hot AC's (CHUM-FM and 99.9MixFM) played "Low" dayparted to evenings/overnights.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 5, 2008 13:51:33 GMT -5
I agree 100%; Hot AC stations have no business playing Rhianna, Chris Brown, Flo Rida or any other hard-core rap/rhythmic stuff. That's a CHR/Pop playlist, except that it looks like one with a very old playlist, as well as not playing their 'powers' 90-120+ times per week, as most top 40 stations do. In other words this station is a mess---too many songs which don't fit the Hot AC format, and no songs with 90+ spins. I'll agree with you on Flo Rida and rap songs, but I believe hot ACs can play Rihanna and Chris Brown. I don't hot AC should restrict itself to only playing pop/rock music. Yeah agree that Rihanna and Chris Brown are fine, but IMO any station playin Usher at #1, Flo Rida at #2, and Colby O'Donnis f/ Akon in the mix is def. not Hot AC...they do have their powers in pretty low rotation, but so does WSTW/Wilmington, and a whole lotta small-market stations in Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas area, and in the upper Midwest Thinkin the issue is that there is no CHR in Baltimore, so WWMX is basically "covering" all those songs IMO the criteria for CHR vs. Hot AC should be what songs they play in between the currents...if they go back and play a lot of 80s stuff, it's harder I think to call them CHR - if they're playin mostly recurrents from the 2000s, then IMO they should def. be moved to the CHR panel If they really are playin Colby O'Donnis followed by "Come On Eileen" etc., then IMO they've basically invented a new format (passive CHR I guess), and shouldn't be monitored at all in my opinion |
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 5, 2008 21:32:32 GMT -5
Both Toronto Hot AC's (CHUM-FM and 99.9MixFM) played "Low" dayparted to evenings/overnights. Yeah I know that Canadian Hot AC's are far more agressive with new music than the US Hot AC's are, but I still don't think Flo Rida belongs on even the Canadian Hot AC format. |
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 5, 2008 21:33:41 GMT -5
I'll agree with you on Flo Rida and rap songs, but I believe hot ACs can play Rihanna and Chris Brown. I don't hot AC should restrict itself to only playing pop/rock music. Yeah agree that Rihanna and Chris Brown are fine, but IMO any station playin Usher at #1, Flo Rida at #2, and Colby O'Donnis f/ Akon in the mix is def. not Hot AC...they do have their powers in pretty low rotation, but so does WSTW/Wilmington, and a whole lotta small-market stations in Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas area, and in the upper Midwest Thinkin the issue is that there is no CHR in Baltimore, so WWMX is basically "covering" all those songs IMO the criteria for CHR vs. Hot AC should be what songs they play in between the currents...if they go back and play a lot of 80s stuff, it's harder I think to call them CHR - if they're playin mostly recurrents from the 2000s, then IMO they should def. be moved to the CHR panel If they really are playin Colby O'Donnis followed by "Come On Eileen" etc., then IMO they've basically invented a new format (passive CHR I guess), and shouldn't be monitored at all in my opinion Actually I think I would call that format a CHR version of the Jack format! |
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Post by tico on Jul 5, 2008 23:04:21 GMT -5
I'm looking at WWMX's song log for today (July 5) and for the most part, it looks like a straight-ahead hot AC station. It appears as if most of the recurrents they have are from the 90s. They play a lot of Rihanna. Almost every hour it seems. |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2008 14:40:09 GMT -5
I'm looking at WWMX's song log for today (July 5) and for the most part, it looks like a straight-ahead hot AC station. It appears as if most of the recurrents they have are from the 90s. They play a lot of Rihanna. Almost every hour it seems. I dunno...Colby O'Donnis 31 times a week...Love In This Club by Usher 49 times a week, and Low by Flo Rida 45 times a week - IMO they're def. not targeting the Hot AC audience (at least not exclusively), plus don't see Stop And Stare (#3 on HAC chart), In Love With A Girl (#7 on Hot AC chart), Whatever It Takes (#9 on Hot AC chart), Time Of My Life (#11 on Hot AC chart), All Summer Long (#15 on HAC), I'm Yours (#16 on HAC), Mercy (#17 on HAC chart) etc. - seems like a CHR that throws in a lot of recurrents from the 90s cause there's no HAC station in Baltimore Overall, they're playin 11 songs in the current Hot AC Top 20, and 13 in the current CHR Top 20 (saw they're playin Shake It on yes.com) Just don't see any reason not to classify them as CHR, since lots of medium-small market CHRs throw in songs like December by Collective Soul and Meet Virginia by Train just like they do |
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 6, 2008 16:09:43 GMT -5
I disagree with Rihanna not being Hot AC. I think quite a few of her songs are "pop-lite" (HTILY, TAB, IILTYW, etc.), and even my grandma knows the words to DSTM! RiRi is more universal than 'Bye Bye' was!  But I don't think this is a CHR yet. It could be in the future. |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2008 16:16:27 GMT -5
^Yeah def. think Rihanna fits Hot AC no problem...if a station is playin Low 45 times a week though (and Colby O'Donnis) and still bein classified as "Hot AC", then really don't understand the difference between Hot AC and CHR
In other words, there are a lot of CHRs that didn't play Low or Love In This Club this much (only in the evenings), and still haven't added Colby O'Donnis
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 6, 2008 16:21:12 GMT -5
The mass amounts of Maroon 5, Nickelback, and pop-lite junk at the bottom of their chart make me call this a Hot AC, but maybe they're phasing them out to turn CHR?
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2008 16:28:31 GMT -5
The mass amounts of Maroon 5, Nickelback, and pop-lite junk at the bottom of their chart make me call this a Hot AC, but maybe they're phasing them out to turn CHR? Not sure...seems like lots of CHRs play recurrents by M5 and Nickelback though IMO |
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Post by Slinky on Jul 6, 2008 20:51:41 GMT -5
Oddly enough, about a week after I post that, they cut back on the hip-hop/R&B, with Usher losing 11 spins, Flo Rida losing 15 spins, and their big gainers being Hot AC-friendly stuff like Onerepublic, Maroon 5, Leona Lewis, and O.A.R.
Of course they also boosted DSTM's spins by 22, so I don't really know where this station is going.
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Post by tico on Jul 6, 2008 21:16:03 GMT -5
I'm looking at WWMX's song log for today (July 5) and for the most part, it looks like a straight-ahead hot AC station. It appears as if most of the recurrents they have are from the 90s. They play a lot of Rihanna. Almost every hour it seems. I dunno...Colby O'Donnis 31 times a week...Love In This Club by Usher 49 times a week, and Low by Flo Rida 45 times a week - IMO they're def. not targeting the Hot AC audience (at least not exclusively), plus don't see Stop And Stare (#3 on HAC chart), In Love With A Girl (#7 on Hot AC chart), Whatever It Takes (#9 on Hot AC chart), Time Of My Life (#11 on Hot AC chart), All Summer Long (#15 on HAC), I'm Yours (#16 on HAC), Mercy (#17 on HAC chart) etc. - seems like a CHR that throws in a lot of recurrents from the 90s cause there's no HAC station in Baltimore Overall, they're playin 11 songs in the current Hot AC Top 20, and 13 in the current CHR Top 20 (saw they're playin Shake It on yes.com) Just don't see any reason not to classify them as CHR, since lots of medium-small market CHRs throw in songs like December by Collective Soul and Meet Virginia by Train just like they do I'm not sure if the number spins per week justifies classifying them as CHR as it is what they're actually playing and not playing. Though I said playing Flo Rida makes them CHR in my book, WWMX's overall music log made me think they could still be a hot AC (though one perhaps evolving to CHR). |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 7, 2008 16:53:27 GMT -5
^Yeah just can't see why a station playin Low and Love In This Club so much could possibly be considered Hot AC cause those songs only have high callout for younger listeners and their callout scores for people in the "Hot AC" age bracket are really low...same callout deal IMO for Colby O'Donnis...thinkin what they're doin is coverin CHR hits, but leavin the spins lower so they can replay Hot AC recurrents from the 90s and 2000s that no one else in town is playin
From what Slinky was postin though, it must've been an "experiment" with CHR I guess cause they're movin back towards Hot AC (esp. if they're addin O. A. R. this early)
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Post by Slinky on Jul 7, 2008 17:24:33 GMT -5
Yeah I really don't know... I think they're stuck in the middle somewhere. They don't really fit well on either panel.
I should have mentioned that they are always early on O.A.R. songs because O.A.R. is from the area (Rockville, MD).
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 7, 2008 22:04:44 GMT -5
Oddly enough, about a week after I post that, they cut back on the hip-hop/R&B, with Usher losing 11 spins, Flo Rida losing 15 spins, and their big gainers being Hot AC-friendly stuff like Onerepublic, Maroon 5, Leona Lewis, and O.A.R. Of course they also boosted DSTM's spins by 22, so I don't really know where this station is going. That's interesting. Usually when a station wants to test out songs that may not normally fit within their format, they will strategically play the songs sparingly and at times when fewer of their P1's are listening (ie: overnight). However, with WWMX playing the likes of Usher and Flo Rida in heavy rotation and then pulling back like this after just one week, they are showing that they apparently don't quite know what they are doing. And believe me, their core listeners won't like this either. This could cause some short term damage to their ratings if they're not careful. |
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 7, 2008 22:08:58 GMT -5
I'm looking at WWMX's song log for today (July 5) and for the most part, it looks like a straight-ahead hot AC station. It appears as if most of the recurrents they have are from the 90s. They play a lot of Rihanna. Almost every hour it seems. I don't have a problem with Hot AC's playing Rihanna. She is now a superstar and has IMO earned the right to be played on Hot AC radio. There are many Hot AC stations that passed her up earlier on that have now added many of her songs in recurrent rotation. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 8, 2008 14:52:12 GMT -5
It's listed as a Hot AC by Mediabase, but they need to slash the amount of music by artists such as Rihanna, who isn't a core Hot AC artist, period; Usher & Flo Rida need to be tossed overboard as well.
Rhythmic material is fine, as long as you play the right rhythmic material.
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Post by John77 on Jul 8, 2008 16:20:07 GMT -5
I'm looking at WWMX's song log for today (July 5) and for the most part, it looks like a straight-ahead hot AC station. It appears as if most of the recurrents they have are from the 90s. They play a lot of Rihanna. Almost every hour it seems. I don't have a problem with Hot AC's playing Rihanna. She is now a superstar and has IMO earned the right to be played on Hot AC radio. There are many Hot AC stations that passed her up earlier on that have now added many of her songs in recurrent rotation. I do have a problem with Hot AC's playing the wrong tracks regardless of the artist. What does becoming a superstar having to do with someone earning the "right" to be played at a non-core format? By this reasoning, Lil' Wayne should be considered for Hot AC airplay, and Mariah's "Touch My Body" should have been an automatic add for Hot AC when it came out. "Shut Up And Drive" may work at Hot AC as it fits the overall sound of a Hot AC pretty well. But do "Umbrella," "Take A Bow" or anything else out of her hit singles fit the Hot AC sound? Not really. And when you do hear them on a Hot AC station, they usually sound very out of place. |
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Post by John77 on Jul 8, 2008 16:30:45 GMT -5
Rhythmic material is fine, as long as you play the right rhythmic material. This is the key... too many Hot AC's fall into the trap of becoming "artist based" rather than "song based" when dealing with Rhythmic product... to not screw up your station you have to deal with things on a song-by-song basis amongst your non-core artists... |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 8, 2008 16:40:47 GMT -5
Yeah I really don't know... I think they're stuck in the middle somewhere. They don't really fit well on either panel. I should have mentioned that they are always early on O.A.R. songs because O.A.R. is from the area (Rockville, MD). Oh yeah...think I remember them havin Hey Girl in (Hot AC) power rotation when it came out, when barely any other HAC's were playin it - also remember them addin Love And Memories really early |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 8, 2008 16:47:19 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Hot AC's playing Rihanna. She is now a superstar and has IMO earned the right to be played on Hot AC radio. There are many Hot AC stations that passed her up earlier on that have now added many of her songs in recurrent rotation. I do have a problem with Hot AC's playing the wrong tracks regardless of the artist. What does becoming a superstar having to do with someone earning the "right" to be played at a non-core format? By this reasoning, Lil' Wayne should be considered for Hot AC airplay, and Mariah's "Touch My Body" should have been an automatic add for Hot AC when it came out. "Shut Up And Drive" may work at Hot AC as it fits the overall sound of a Hot AC pretty well. But do "Umbrella," "Take A Bow" or anything else out of her hit singles fit the Hot AC sound? Not really. And when you do hear them on a Hot AC station, they usually sound very out of place. Yeah I think it has a lot to do with Baltimore not havin a CHR (i. e. WWMX doesn't wanna leave Rihanna completely outta the market) |
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Post by John77 on Jul 8, 2008 18:38:02 GMT -5
I do have a problem with Hot AC's playing the wrong tracks regardless of the artist. What does becoming a superstar having to do with someone earning the "right" to be played at a non-core format? By this reasoning, Lil' Wayne should be considered for Hot AC airplay, and Mariah's "Touch My Body" should have been an automatic add for Hot AC when it came out. "Shut Up And Drive" may work at Hot AC as it fits the overall sound of a Hot AC pretty well. But do "Umbrella," "Take A Bow" or anything else out of her hit singles fit the Hot AC sound? Not really. And when you do hear them on a Hot AC station, they usually sound very out of place. Yeah I think it has a lot to do with Baltimore not havin a CHR (i. e. WWMX doesn't wanna leave Rihanna completely outta the market) In essence then, they may be serving as a "CHR" then... didn't realize Baltimore didn't have one... it's hard to keep track of every market. |
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Post by threedollafoaholla on Jul 8, 2008 18:42:41 GMT -5
I'd have to hear them, but it looks like they are doing pretty much the same thing that I am doing with my station. We're an adult-leaning Top 40, but not a Hot AC.
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Post by tico on Jul 8, 2008 22:28:45 GMT -5
Baltimore isn't completely out of a CHR as they do get Hot 99.5 out of Washington. But Mix is in a situation where since no in-market CHR exists, they can be a bit more flexible about what they play.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 9, 2008 11:37:50 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Hot AC's playing Rihanna. She is now a superstar and has IMO earned the right to be played on Hot AC radio. There are many Hot AC stations that passed her up earlier on that have now added many of her songs in recurrent rotation. I do have a problem with Hot AC's playing the wrong tracks regardless of the artist. What does becoming a superstar having to do with someone earning the "right" to be played at a non-core format? By this reasoning, Lil' Wayne should be considered for Hot AC airplay, and Mariah's "Touch My Body" should have been an automatic add for Hot AC when it came out. "Shut Up And Drive" may work at Hot AC as it fits the overall sound of a Hot AC pretty well. But do "Umbrella," "Take A Bow" or anything else out of her hit singles fit the Hot AC sound? Not really. And when you do hear them on a Hot AC station, they usually sound very out of place. "Umbrella" fits very well at Hot AC WTMX in Chicago (it still gets about 7 plays a week). That's what you call a balance record. It breaks up the monotony of 8 consecutive pop/rock songs. And listeners (at least on this station) have responded well to it. So if it works, why not play it? And you're right, not every song by an artist should be played. All I'm saying is that her popularity at pop radio has trickled down somewhat to Hot AC radio. Not all core Hot AC listeners like her, but enough have heard her music to warrant at least some moderate airplay. And her collaboration with Maroon 5 might just be her biggest hit at Hot AC radio yet due to the more familar sound of Maroon 5. Lastly, I don't think anyone will ever confuse Rihanna with Lil' Wayne. He's way more hard core hip-hop than Rihanna ever will be! |
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