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Post by John77 on Jul 9, 2008 12:50:32 GMT -5
I do have a problem with Hot AC's playing the wrong tracks regardless of the artist. What does becoming a superstar having to do with someone earning the "right" to be played at a non-core format? By this reasoning, Lil' Wayne should be considered for Hot AC airplay, and Mariah's "Touch My Body" should have been an automatic add for Hot AC when it came out. "Shut Up And Drive" may work at Hot AC as it fits the overall sound of a Hot AC pretty well. But do "Umbrella," "Take A Bow" or anything else out of her hit singles fit the Hot AC sound? Not really. And when you do hear them on a Hot AC station, they usually sound very out of place. "Umbrella" fits very well at Hot AC WTMX in Chicago (it still gets about 7 plays a week). That's what you call a balance record. It breaks up the monotony of 8 consecutive pop/rock songs. And listeners (at least on this station) have responded well to it. So if it works, why not play it? And you're right, not every song by an artist should be played. All I'm saying is that her popularity at pop radio has trickled down somewhat to Hot AC radio. Not all core Hot AC listeners like her, but enough have heard her music to warrant at least some moderate airplay. And her collaboration with Maroon 5 might just be her biggest hit at Hot AC radio yet due to the more familar sound of Maroon 5. Lastly, I don't think anyone will ever confuse Rihanna with Lil' Wayne. He's way more hard core hip-hop than Rihanna ever will be! If it works on the station and it helps balance it, then no problems... one key though is where you put the song... An "Umbrella" or something like Chris Brown's "With You" or even "Forever" can work on a Hot AC, but you need to be VERY careful with the placement... You probably wouldn't want to put them on right before or after "Bleeding Love" or "Pocketful of Sunshine" for example as you'd risk starting to sound like a CHR... Every market indeed is different, which is one of the fun things about radio. A song can be a hit in one part of the country, but no so big other places.
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Post by musicfanpete on Jul 10, 2008 23:03:27 GMT -5
"Umbrella" fits very well at Hot AC WTMX in Chicago (it still gets about 7 plays a week). That's what you call a balance record. It breaks up the monotony of 8 consecutive pop/rock songs. And listeners (at least on this station) have responded well to it. So if it works, why not play it? And you're right, not every song by an artist should be played. All I'm saying is that her popularity at pop radio has trickled down somewhat to Hot AC radio. Not all core Hot AC listeners like her, but enough have heard her music to warrant at least some moderate airplay. And her collaboration with Maroon 5 might just be her biggest hit at Hot AC radio yet due to the more familar sound of Maroon 5. Lastly, I don't think anyone will ever confuse Rihanna with Lil' Wayne. He's way more hard core hip-hop than Rihanna ever will be! If it works on the station and it helps balance it, then no problems... one key though is where you put the song... An "Umbrella" or something like Chris Brown's "With You" or even "Forever" can work on a Hot AC, but you need to be VERY careful with the placement... You probably wouldn't want to put them on right before or after "Bleeding Love" or "Pocketful of Sunshine" for example as you'd risk starting to sound like a CHR... Every market indeed is different, which is one of the fun things about radio. A song can be a hit in one part of the country, but no so big other places. WTMX does place songs pretty much the way you believe they should. In other words, they rarely if ever play two pop-leaning songs in a row. The reason why the Mix in Chicago leans a bit more CHR is the same reason WWMX leans CHR, because of the lack of a real mainstream CHR in the market. Chicago has two rhthymic leaning CHR's in Chicago, even though one of them reports as a mainstream CHR. But they are anything but mainstream. Therefore, the Mix is technically the default mainstream CHR in the market, and the reason why a station like this embraces the Rihanna's or Justin Timberlakes. That's why one can't automatically disqualify artists like this from the Hot AC world. But as you said John, not every station will play Rihanna, unless of course she teams up with a core Hot AC artist. Then an exception is made. An I agree that's what makes radio fun. Despite much of the homogeneous sound that the big corporations have caused, there still is enough of a regional sound that makes radio fun to listen to.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 14, 2008 16:50:56 GMT -5
Yeah I think it has a lot to do with Baltimore not havin a CHR (i. e. WWMX doesn't wanna leave Rihanna completely outta the market) In essence then, they may be serving as a "CHR" then... Oh yeah def...Baltimore is one of the few major markets w/o a CHR, or any other Hot AC's, so I'm guessin that WWMX is keepin the currents low so that people still have a "station to listen to at work" etc. that plays Sugar Ray, Train, Gin Blossoms, etc. Star 94/ATL plays Counting Crows, Train, Gin Blossoms, etc. durin the day (cause ATL's the opposite - no Hot AC), but they keep their currents high enough (about 75x a week I think) that they stay CHR (adult-leaning) San Fran and Denver don't have CHRs, but they have mulitiple Hot ACs (I think so that one can "lean" CHR and play Rihanna, and the other can lean Modern AC)
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 14, 2008 17:01:02 GMT -5
If it works on the station and it helps balance it, then no problems... one key though is where you put the song... An "Umbrella" or something like Chris Brown's "With You" or even "Forever" can work on a Hot AC, but you need to be VERY careful with the placement... You probably wouldn't want to put them on right before or after "Bleeding Love" or "Pocketful of Sunshine" for example as you'd risk starting to sound like a CHR... Every market indeed is different, which is one of the fun things about radio. A song can be a hit in one part of the country, but no so big other places. WTMX does place songs pretty much the way you believe they should. In other words, they rarely if ever play two pop-leaning songs in a row. The reason why the Mix in Chicago leans a bit more CHR is the same reason WWMX leans CHR, because of the lack of a real mainstream CHR in the market. Chicago has two rhthymic leaning CHR's in Chicago, even though one of them reports as a mainstream CHR. But they are anything but mainstream. Therefore, the Mix is technically the default mainstream CHR in the market, and the reason why a station like this embraces the Rihanna's or Justin Timberlakes. That's why one can't automatically disqualify artists like this from the Hot AC world. Yeah ur right IMO about Chicago bein in a similar situation (almost) cause Kiss Chicago is basically rhythmic...when WKSC was slightly more balanced WTMX stayed Modern AC - same when Chicago had that unsuccessful Mainstream CHR in the early 00s (Kiss 92 or somethin like that I think) But heck yeah, if a station has to cover both Flo Rida and recurrents by the Gin Blossoms they have to be really careful IMO and usually daypart when they play the artists...both CHRs in Atlanta do it though, so it def. can be done But IMO if ur coverin Flo Rida, Usher (esp. Love In This Club) and Colby O'Donnis, you're a CHR, even if ur an adult-leaning one
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 30, 2008 8:47:55 GMT -5
Hey just saw the new ratings for Baltimore...not sure what you'd label WWMX, but it def. knows what it's doin cause it's up 0.9 points to a 4.7 rating (something like fourth in the market I think...)
Got to hear it the other day (on a road trip)...heard Low followed by the slogan "Today's Best Mix" or somethin like that - kinda like they're playin CHR music but using HAC slogans I guess
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Post by musicfanpete on Aug 12, 2008 9:12:00 GMT -5
Hey just saw the new ratings for Baltimore...not sure what you'd label WWMX, but it def. knows what it's doin cause it's up 0.9 points to a 4.7 rating (something like fourth in the market I think...) Got to hear it the other day (on a road trip)...heard Low followed by the slogan "Today's Best Mix" or somethin like that - kinda like they're playin CHR music but using HAC slogans I guess My Mix station in Chicago seems to be headed that way as well. Look at the songs they added this week: WTMX-FM Adds : By Artist All Reporters Last Updated On: Aug 11, 2008 @ 5:24 PM Artist Title Label DAUGHTRY What About Now RCA/RMG ESTELLE American Boy f/ Kanye West Home School/Atlantic JESSE MCCARTNEY Leavin' Hollywood JORDIN SPARKS One Step At A Time 19/Jive/Zomba LENKA The Show Epic I know Jesse McCartney is in the top 20 now, but Estelle is an intriguing choice. Hopefully they will play the version without Kanye West, but I noticed the Mix has been playing "Stronger" overnights for the last couple of weeks. I think they're pushing it with that one though.
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Post by atlantaboy on Aug 12, 2008 13:41:56 GMT -5
^Yeah and both Baltimore and Chicago don't (really) have CHRs...so I guess it's a compromise between the two lol
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Post by musicfanpete on Aug 12, 2008 14:38:05 GMT -5
^Yeah and both Baltimore and Chicago don't (really) have CHRs...so I guess it's a compromise between the two lol True, though the only difference between WWMX and WTMX (outside of one call letter) is that WTMX is staying away from the hip-hop, Kanye West aside. No Colby O'Donnis, Flo Rida or Usher on WTMX, at least for now. Hopefully it stays that way.
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Post by atlantaboy on Aug 12, 2008 14:41:37 GMT -5
^Yeah think it will cause Chicago does have WKSC for listeners to tune into who wanna hear urban-leaning pop - Balt. doesn't have a CHR at all, and I guess a lot of people who wanna hear Low and Love In This Club don't necessarily wanna listen to straight Rhythmic
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Post by Marv on Aug 12, 2008 20:11:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure why WWMX has played Rhianna's 'Take A Bow' five times since midnight with 'Disturbia' in the top 5 at top 40 radio, but without a CHR/Pop station in the city, I guess they can get away with it.
I guess it depends on the market, but I still consider this to be a top 40 station with a very well balanced playlist, with more rock and a lot less rhythmic material than what you'd expect from today's version of top 40 radio, which has leaned heavily rhythmic and less adult friendly for most of this decade.
For this market, I'm not going to quibble with the Mediabase designation as a Hot AC station.
A 4.7 for a Hot AC station in a market like Baltimore (alluding to the ethnic mix, despite having a perennial country powerhouse at #2 in the market) is a very good rating.
I would think that stations suchas KPLZ/Seattle, KBIG/LA & WPLJ/NYC would commit some serious mayhem for ratings like that.
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Post by shadster on Aug 13, 2008 18:21:05 GMT -5
just looked at the Spring ratings for b-more.....and WIHT took a .7 ratings hit, down to just 1.0 while Mix106 gains almost a full point. WIHT, DC's Hot99.5, is the only CHR signal to reach Baltimore but it doesn't get into the northern suburbs at ALL. And picking it up downtown.....well you'll hafta use your car stereo or have a good antennae. Still though, it had about 1.7 rating until recently.
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Post by atlantaboy on Aug 14, 2008 17:57:00 GMT -5
A 4.7 for a Hot AC station in a market like Baltimore (alluding to the ethnic mix, despite having a perennial country powerhouse at #2 in the market) is a very good rating. I would think that stations suchas KPLZ/Seattle, KBIG/LA & WPLJ/NYC would commit some serious mayhem for ratings like that. Yeah KPLZ, KBIG, and PLJ could def. get ratings like that if their CHRs disappeared lol... IMO not hard for a HAC to get really good ratings if there's no CHR in the market
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Post by atlantaboy on Aug 17, 2008 16:34:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure why WWMX has played Rhianna's 'Take A Bow' five times since midnight with 'Disturbia' in the top 5 at top 40 radio, but without a CHR/Pop station in the city, I guess they can get away with it. Wait...Disturbia is #9 now on CHR, and Take A Bow is #10...plus they're prob. playin "catch up" with Rihanna songs they hadn't originally played
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Post by tico on Aug 18, 2008 23:11:35 GMT -5
just looked at the Spring ratings for b-more.....and WIHT took a .7 ratings hit, down to just 1.0 while Mix106 gains almost a full point. WIHT, DC's Hot99.5, is the only CHR signal to reach Baltimore but it doesn't get into the northern suburbs at ALL. And picking it up downtown.....well you'll hafta use your car stereo or have a good antennae. Still though, it had about 1.7 rating until recently. It could be an issue of where the diaries were placed. But whatever Hot's performance is in Baltimore doesn't amount to a hill of beans since they service Washington, though a Washington-area advertiser might like the benefit of having another big city within their signal range.
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Post by galaxystar2 on Nov 9, 2008 17:25:08 GMT -5
WWMX is my station, I'm in Baltimore County. WIHT 99.5 doesn't reach here all that well, it fades in and out and there's often too much static to listen to it for longer than a few minutes. I listen to WWMX, and so does everyone else I know (that likes to listen to radio). I'm pretty sure there was a Top 40 (B102.7) years ago, not sure what happened to it, but it was there one day and gone the next. WWMX is definitely a strange mix of CHR & Hot AC hits, but it works!
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Post by musicfanpete on Nov 9, 2008 22:28:59 GMT -5
WWMX is my station, I'm in Baltimore County. WIHT 99.5 doesn't reach here all that well, it fades in and out and there's often too much static to listen to it for longer than a few minutes. I listen to WWMX, and so does everyone else I know (that likes to listen to radio). I'm pretty sure there was a Top 40 (B102.7) years ago, not sure what happened to it, but it was there one day and gone the next. WWMX is definitely a strange mix of CHR & Hot AC hits, but it works! Sounds like WTMX in Chicago as well. Since my previous posts back in August, the Mix has now added the likes of Kevin Rudolf, Ne-Yo and even Kanye West, though in the case of West, very sparingly and mostly overnights and weekends. They have also recently added "New Tunes at Nine". This consists of an hour of all current music during the 9 to 10 PM hour, which is basically open to any CHR hit minus the hip-hop. I have heard "Womanizer", "Keeps Getting Better" and even Kanye's "Love Lockdown" during this hour! So since crosstown Kiss-FM is basically a rhythmic station (disguised as a mainstream CHR), it stands to reason that the Mix would fill the void. Hopefully they don't go too far though and become just another "kids" type CHR station. But so far they are remaining very adult friendly, and the CHR product they have added appeals to adults as well.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 12, 2008 14:07:10 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there was a Top 40 (B102.7) years ago, not sure what happened to it Yeah when I lived near DC in the late 90s Balt. had a CHR called WXYV (pretty sure it was 102.7), but the ratings were really bad, plus the playlist was really random (they'd put songs in power rotation, then completely drop the songs the next week, ignore some big hits but play others, etc.) In the 80s and early 90s they had B104, which was classified as CHR, but prob. wasn't that different from WWMX today (cause there was no HAC category back then)
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Post by galaxystar2 on Nov 18, 2008 10:22:19 GMT -5
WWMX just added Womanizer and Just Dance yesterday, LOL
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Post by Slinky on Nov 18, 2008 12:26:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there was a Top 40 (B102.7) years ago, not sure what happened to it Yeah when I lived near DC in the late 90s Balt. had a CHR called WXYV (pretty sure it was 102.7), but the ratings were really bad, plus the playlist was really random (they'd put songs in power rotation, then completely drop the songs the next week, ignore some big hits but play others, etc.) In the 80s and early 90s they had B104, which was classified as CHR, but prob. wasn't that different from WWMX today (cause there was no HAC category back then) You're both right. 102.7 XYV signed on in the mid-90's, with a dance lean and then an "extreme CHR" (i.e. rock and rap). Then they went back to a rhythmic-leaning mainstream CHR and morphed into "B102.7". The "B" name was supposed to remind listeners of the old B104 but I'm not sure listeners that young remembered that station.
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 19, 2008 16:01:56 GMT -5
^Yeah actually IMO Take A Bow seems to fit right in with core HAC sound...maybe not Umbrella, but def. agree that some HACs need that to break up the pop/alternative sound, esp. if they can't play Alternative-leanin stuff - IMO the worst kinda HACs are the really conservative ones that play Sister Hazel followed by old Prince song followed by Gavin DeGraw followed by Sugar Ray followed by another 80s song etc.
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Post by galaxystar2 on Nov 21, 2008 12:32:12 GMT -5
WWMX played T.I.'s Live Your Life the other day...nice "hot ac" song, lol
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 22, 2008 14:12:49 GMT -5
WWMX played T.I.'s Live Your Life the other day...nice "hot ac" song, lol Yeah IMO the result of stations like this not reportin to CHR is that songs like Broken by Lifehouse (and Come On Get Higher...maybe) fall short of the Top 40
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Post by Slinky on Apr 22, 2009 23:42:22 GMT -5
OK, now they've totally flipped to CHR:
2 1 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Gives You Hell 50 46 4 0.484 1 2 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck Without You 49 47 2 0.467 3 3 FRAY You Found Me 45 46 -1 0.474 7 4 FLO RIDA Right Round 42 41 1 0.416 4 5 LADY GAGA Poker Face 42 45 -3 0.411 6 6 T.I. Dead And Gone f/J. Timberlake 42 42 - 0.399 5 7 PINK Sober 40 45 -5 0.414 12 8 BLACK EYED PEAS Boom Boom Pow 36 31 5 0.355 8 9 PLAIN WHITE T'S 1, 2, 3, 4 33 34 -1 0.316 20 10 LADY GAGA Just Dance f/Colby O'Donis 31 27 4 0.310 Rank Spins lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move Aud/mill 11 11 TAYLOR SWIFT Love Story 30 32 -2 0.332 10 12 DAVID COOK Light On 29 32 -3 0.276 16 13 NICKELBACK Gotta Be Somebody 28 28 - 0.300 17 14 SHINEDOWN Second Chance 28 28 - 0.277 93 15 SOULJA BOY Kiss Me Thru The Phone 28 4 24 0.244 23 16 BRITNEY SPEARS Circus 28 27 1 0.295 18 17 THEORY OF A DEADMAN Not Meant To Be 28 28 - 0.249 15 18 MILEY CYRUS The Climb 27 28 -1 0.242 9 19 JESSE MCCARTNEY How Do You Sleep? 27 33 -6 0.272 27 20 NICKELBACK If Today Was Your Last Day 27 21 6 0.248 Rank Spins lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move Aud/mill 19 21 KANYE WEST Heartless 27 28 -1 0.283 24 22 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Soulmate 26 26 - 0.213 25 23 NE-YO Mad 26 26 - 0.278 13 24 BEYONCE Halo 25 29 -4 0.231 82 25 JAMIE FOXX Blame It f/T-Pain & Yung Joc 25 4 21 0.196 22 26 PUSSYCAT DOLLS I Hate This Part 25 27 -2 0.246 14 27 AKON Beautiful 22 28 -6 0.197 36 28 DAUGHTRY What About Now 12 9 3 0.143 35 29 KID ROCK All Summer Long 11 10 1 0.101 30 30 LIFEHOUSE Whatever It Takes 11 11 - 0.114
Except for Britney's "Amy" (which, interestingly enough, at least one Hot AC, B101.5, is playing), Ciara, and Kid Cudi, they're playing the entire CHR Top 20. They should probably flip panels soon. They're the only Hot AC playing Jamie Foxx and one of only four Hot ACs that are playing Soulja Boy. If you look at their top 10, it's indistinguishable from a CHR.
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Post by tico on Apr 23, 2009 8:54:18 GMT -5
That is definitely a CHR. Are they still using the Mix name?
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Post by Slinky on Apr 23, 2009 10:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah, they are still called Mix 106.5
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 23, 2009 14:37:37 GMT -5
^I'm guessin what they're toyin with is the fact that they play so many recurrents/gold tracks (i. e. powers only rotated 40-50x a week) - IMO they should def. be moved to CHR, but wonderin if Mediabase/BDS will just take them off all panels...actually thought R&R used to have a rule about stations playin a certain % current music to report to CHR
BTW seein a whole bunch of Hot AC's lately with kinda the opposite pattern...power rotation in the 60-75 range, CHR-style presentation, but leavin out straight rap - actually think those stations (WDVD/Detroit, WBMX/Boston, WKRQ/Cincinatti, KUDD/Salt Lake, KLCA/Reno, etc.) should be moved to CHR cause they're the ones really focusing on the current hits (and if all these new CBS stations can leave out rock and still be CHR, seems like these stations should be able to leave out rap and still be CHR)
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Post by musicfanpete on Apr 24, 2009 22:59:39 GMT -5
^I'm guessin what they're toyin with is the fact that they play so many recurrents/gold tracks (i. e. powers only rotated 40-50x a week) - IMO they should def. be moved to CHR, but wonderin if Mediabase/BDS will just take them off all panels...actually thought R&R used to have a rule about stations playin a certain % current music to report to CHR BTW seein a whole bunch of Hot AC's lately with kinda the opposite pattern...power rotation in the 60-75 range, CHR-style presentation, but leavin out straight rap - actually think those stations (WDVD/Detroit, WBMX/Boston, WKRQ/Cincinatti, KUDD/Salt Lake, KLCA/Reno, etc.) should be moved to CHR cause they're the ones really focusing on the current hits (and if all these new CBS stations can leave out rock and still be CHR, seems like these stations should be able to leave out rap and still be CHR) Oh come on! You mean Soulja Boy, Jamie Foxx and Flo Rida are not Hot AC friendly artists? ;) Yes, WWMX and WKRQ need to be removed from the Hot AC panel immediately! KUDD seems to be going though a bit of an identity crisis right now. They are a heavily alternative leaning Hot AC, with some rhythmic songs mixed in (ie: Flo Rida). So I'm not sure what exactly they want to be classified as, but I do know they spin their power currents over 90 times a week! So right now I'd be inclined to remove them too. The other stations you mentioned aren't nearly as CHR leaning as these three, so I would probably leave those others alone.
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 25, 2009 13:35:09 GMT -5
^Yeah still not sure what I think I guess lol...On one hand, WDVD, WBMX, WKRQ, KUDD, etc. function like CHRs in their markets (i. e. focus on current music or "contemporary hits") IMO makin them "CHR" - on the other hand WWMX has pretty low spin rotations but includes a lot of urban/rhythmic material
Thing is though IMO WWMX plays so many recurrents/gold tracks that it still functions like a "Hot AC" (even though it plays a lot of urban/rhythmic stuff)...whereas those other stations are literally focusing their playlists on current music, and sound like CHRs when you listen to them
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Post by Pipa on Apr 25, 2009 16:11:06 GMT -5
Man, you people would hate Canadian Hot AC. Flo Rida is top 5 here.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 27, 2009 20:43:54 GMT -5
Hey I finally realized why they're doin this (it was prob. pretty obvious just not to me lol) i. e. they're afraid of someone comin in to Baltimore and startin up a new CHR
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