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Post by PHOBES on Jun 14, 2009 13:41:36 GMT -5
^It'd be nice if it hit the top there as well, but it's starting to lose steam. Great run though, I never imagined that Shinedown would ever have a song hit number 3 on the pop chart. Though it appears like it'll be number 4 officially.
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Post by weaver on Jun 14, 2009 14:04:58 GMT -5
Pretty cool this song made it to #7 on the Hot 100 this week. It's so rare for rock artists to get top 10 on the Hot 100, unless it's their first single and because of iTunes etc. This one had a slow rise.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 14, 2009 19:38:26 GMT -5
I don't have the Nielsens with me, but Shinedown may have reached number three for next week's CHR chart. It was within nine spins of whatever was at three Saturday.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 14, 2009 19:41:29 GMT -5
^Yeah it fell back to #4 CHR (was #3 for a couple days)...btw Nielsens are TV ratings I think (think you're talking about Mediabase)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 14, 2009 19:50:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure who charts TV ratings (and how in the world can you tell who is watching what at different times??), but Nielsen is the official and largest airplay tracker in the world.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 14, 2009 19:59:14 GMT -5
Oh yeah hold up...they do both (they own BDS...just remembered) - sorry lol
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Post by pen on Jun 14, 2009 20:13:19 GMT -5
Nielsen does do television as well as music.
Mediabase is better.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 15, 2009 16:30:44 GMT -5
Yeah, we get it. Mediabase is the free one. Yee-haw. But I'll avoid the opinions and stick with factual. Nielsen is the official survey of the industry.
Second Chance did fall back to number four on the final release Sunday on CHR. It's not done yet I assume.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 15, 2009 18:23:31 GMT -5
Nielsen is the official survey of the industry. ??? Most radio programmers use Mediabase/All Access (it also monitors something like 40-50 more markets than BDS/Neilsen)
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Jun 15, 2009 20:54:29 GMT -5
Don't argue with Artie...he knows everything....and backs it up with " I know I'm right".....
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Post by pen on Jun 15, 2009 23:43:01 GMT -5
Yeah, we get it. Mediabase is the free one. Yee-haw. But I'll avoid the opinions and stick with factual. Nielsen is the official survey of the industry. Second Chance did fall back to number four on the final release Sunday on CHR. It's not done yet I assume. McDonalds is the official burger bin but I'll stick with Burger King, thanks. Well actually in truth I'll stick with a homecooked meal, but for the purposes of the analogy, I'll go with Burger King. Well actually if we're going to get technical I'll probably be more likely to go to Sonics or Checkers before I go to Burger King, but again, for the purposes of the analogy.
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Post by cdlifer on Jun 16, 2009 13:17:22 GMT -5
LOVE this song.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 17, 2009 13:13:02 GMT -5
Guy, with your stress levels red meat should be the last thing on your mind. I don't eat fast food, so I certainly agree on the homecooked burger being the top option.
I don't have any Mediabase survey numbers, but I'd be surprised if they monitored more stations and markets than Nielsen, but it's possible. And by official, I meant Radio & Records and Billboard, the only recognized charts by about everyone, uses BDS.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 13:27:44 GMT -5
I'd be less stressful if people would stop stressing me out. And lots of places recognize Mediabase.
For example.
these guys.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 17, 2009 13:40:53 GMT -5
Ha ha, I'm not sure if you're trying to bolster my point or just being funny. I'm not sure who I'd trust more, Ryan Seacrest and Jeff Foxworthy or Billboard for my official music charts. Good post.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 13:51:45 GMT -5
They use the charts. They don't make them.
And how did I know that out of all that was mentioned there, you would single out Foxworthy?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 17, 2009 13:59:23 GMT -5
Ryan Seacrest was mentioned along with him, so singled out isn't quite the term. And Casey Kasem used Billboard surveys longer than he used Radio & Records if I remember right. But you picked some strange examples of who uses Mediabase charts, when everyone knows the general and obvious chart references go to Billboard. But you did make me laugh for the day, and that's not always easy to do. Thanks.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 14:05:45 GMT -5
I didn't pick them, I just took the ones I was given. Examples are examples. 1800 radio affiliates is nothing to sneeze at.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 17, 2009 14:08:00 GMT -5
No, 1800 is a lot I agree. But when they're competing with a conglomerate like Nielsen, they have no chance. I only meant the examples were obscure and very funny.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 14:10:41 GMT -5
Whatever. Hence my burger analogy. I like Mediabase better. I think they're more accurate, and I know you're going to argue that statement, whatever. You like Billboard. Good for you. Fuck Billboard. I'm going to work.
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Post by PHOBES on Jun 17, 2009 14:27:49 GMT -5
And Casey Kasem used Billboard surveys longer than he used Radio & Records if I remember right. Exactly, all of the charts he is associated with are now based on Mediabase. Also, since you wanna be a dick about it, both Jeff Foxworthy and Ryan Seacrest also just switched from Billboard to Mediabase. So they both used R&R longer. In other words, you cited them as poor examples, but tried to defend Casey. Even though they all did the same thing at the same time. So guess what? You laugh at them, but even they were smart enough to switch from the charts you still use. Shouldn't that tell you something? * The CHR/Pop chart was used for "Casey Kasem's Top 40" (January 1989-March 1998) and "American Top 40" (March 1998-October 2000, and August 2001-January 2004.) On the current day AT40 shows with Ryan Seacrest, Mediabase 24/7 is used. * The Hot AC chart was used for both "Casey's Hot 20" and American Top 20". On the present day AT20, Casey uses chart information from Mediabase 24/7. * The AC chart was used for "Casey's Countdown"/"American Top 20". Today, the show is known as "American Top 10", and it uses an unpublished audience-based AC chart from Mediabase 24/7. *The Country chart was used for CMT's Country Countdown USA, Jeff Foxworthy's "The Foxworthy Countdown" and "Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40," but these have switched to Mediabase 24/7 chart data. There's a reason R&R went out of business my friend.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 17, 2009 14:49:30 GMT -5
I don't have any Mediabase survey numbers, but I'd be surprised if they monitored more stations and markets than Nielsen, but it's possible. And by official, I meant Radio & Records and Billboard, the only recognized charts by about everyone, uses BDS. Wait Radio & Records only started using BDS last year (they used Mediabase from '94-'08), and pretty soon after they switched to BDS they started goin outta business, basically got replaced by All Access.Com (Mediabase) And yeah Mediabase's market coverage is way more extensive - they survey 300 markets, and BDS only surveys about 150 I think
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 17, 2009 14:55:47 GMT -5
You may have misread. I said they were funny examples. Like, "Hey, I heard the new #1 song this week is Linkin Park's New Divide." "Oh yeah, who told you that?" "Ryan Seacrest (or Jeff Foxworthy or Big Tigger)."
That just sounds preposterous as opposed to "Oh, I read it in Billboard magazine." But I get it, a small minority follow Mediabase around here. That's cool, just a little strange to me.
I've said this before, but if Nielsen B.D.S. ever decides to publish their dailies for free, then nobody would ever look at the free Mediabase pages ever again.
Last I read, B.D.S. surveys 188 cities in N. America. Thay may be different now.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 23:36:25 GMT -5
Their magazine blows too.
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Post by pen on Jun 17, 2009 23:36:55 GMT -5
And actually seeing as how this forum is based around Mediabase, you're actually the miniority here, Skippy.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 18, 2009 6:29:04 GMT -5
That just sounds preposterous as opposed to "Oh, I read it in Billboard magazine." But I get it, a small minority follow Mediabase around here. That's cool, just a little strange to me. Mediabase is def. used more by people in radio - IMO Billboard is more for people who read the mag. like they would read Rolling Stone (as a hobby)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 19, 2009 17:13:07 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand what you meant when you said "used more by people in radio." I've been involved with radio for years, and I've never seen Mediabase published to be used. Nor have I ever heard it referenced. Maybe it was worded wrong?
Billboard chart peaks are the standard when people mention how well an album or song has done. Nothing else is ever used that I've seen.
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Post by uion1715 on Jun 19, 2009 22:35:33 GMT -5
Yeah, we get it. Mediabase is the free one. Yee-haw. But I'll avoid the opinions and stick with factual. Nielsen is the official survey of the industry. Billboard charts maybe are official for a lot of people (especially those casual music fan) but it doesn't mean Billboard charts are better indicator of song's popularity than any other charts. (Just look at Boulevard of a Broken Dream failing to reach # 1 on Hot 100 despite topping SIX airplay charts)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 20, 2009 8:40:03 GMT -5
Not just music fans, but pretty much the entire sales and radio industry. Since the Hot 100 is famously NOT an airplay chart, the Green Day example does not make any sense.
Second Chance just moved up to #4 on the Modern 2009 airplay chart. It now trails only #1 Sex On Fire, #2 Use Somebody, and #3 Feel Good Drag for the year.
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Post by uion1715 on Jun 20, 2009 10:14:19 GMT -5
Not just music fans, but pretty much the entire sales and radio industry. Since the Hot 100 is famously NOT an airplay chart, the Green Day example does not make any sense. I know I used some example that doesn't fit the discussion but my point is tht not everything Billboard says is accurate. It holds true for airply charts as well. (Beside, R&R is going out of business and it seems like a lot of radio programmers use allaccess.com for adds... Just look at labels putting a big front banner on All Access) And speaking of BOBD, I don't think it even topped Hot 100 airplay due to chart heavily favoring urban songs. Also, Artie, as a lurker, I'm fairly irritated by your arrogant attitude. (Sometimes, what you say can be wrong)
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