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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 16, 2005 20:50:21 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if Gavin DeGraw's "I Don't Want To Be" nabs a top 10 spot. He had 31000+ spins in December (according to Mediabase), which is well enough to propel him past the people ahead of him in the 10-15 range right now (all of which had <10000 December spins).
And both Mario and Ciara entered the pop chart on the same date (11/12/04), and with Mario rising faster than Ciara (and earning more weeks with higher spin totals), Mario logically has more spins in December than Ciara. I don't think that will be enough to propel him over Ciara, but it is something to keep in mind...
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Post by DramaKing2 on Oct 16, 2005 21:34:18 GMT -5
When was the last time Mariah Carey charted four songs, had 3 (possibly) #1 singles, and all of them (likely) make the year end top 100 all in the same year? 1991?
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 16, 2005 23:00:15 GMT -5
It's going to be close for Don't Forget About Us to make the top 100 for the year.
As far as the answer to the question you asked, with the situation we will likely have (only 2 #1s in one year), you would have to go back to the 1996 chart year where Fantasy and One Sweet Day both hit #1 (though Fantasy was technically #1 in the previous chart year as its last week at #1 was the last week in November), and Always Be My Baby and Forever were the other two songs to make the top 100 for the year for Mariah.
For the case you asked about, it has never happened for Mariah. In 1991, she had only 3 charting singles (all #1s), not 4.
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Post by How Do You Do? on Oct 16, 2005 23:05:50 GMT -5
When was the last time Mariah Carey charted four songs, had 3 (possibly) #1 singles, and all of them (likely) make the year end top 100 all in the same year? 1991? What are the three number #1 singles on Pop? We Belong Together Shake It Off ?
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Post by DramaKing2 on Oct 16, 2005 23:34:20 GMT -5
For the case you asked about, it has never happened for Mariah. In 1991, she had only 3 charting singles (all #1s), not 4. Along with Someday (#4), I Don't Want To Cry (#7), and Emotions (#12), Can't Let Go made it on to the chart in 1991 though it was more of a major player in 1992. It did not make the year end top 100 of 1991 however. What are the three number #1 singles on Pop? We Belong Together Shake It Off ? Notice I clarified with a possibly in there. Don't Forget About Us is rising very quickly and will more than likely hit #1 by the end of the year. And it might have just enough time to make a 90-100 appearance in the year end top 100 as well.
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Post by top40dj on Oct 17, 2005 10:18:16 GMT -5
do we have 51-100 ???
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Post by How Do You Do? on Oct 17, 2005 14:57:25 GMT -5
What are the three number #1 singles on Pop? We Belong Together Shake It Off ? Notice I clarified with a possibly in there. Don't Forget About Us is rising very quickly and will more than likely hit #1 by the end of the year. And it might have just enough time to make a 90-100 appearance in the year end top 100 as well. Ah, I understand now. Guess we'll have to see whether or not DFAU makes it to #1 or not.
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Post by nb on Oct 17, 2005 16:34:57 GMT -5
Wow, it's looking very likely right now that Kelly Clarkson will have the top 2 spots on the calendar year chart. It depends what happens between BTHE and WBT for the rest of the year, since they're extremely close in spins for the year.
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Post by top40dj on Oct 18, 2005 12:57:09 GMT -5
BTHE will have more plays than WBT through the end of the year for sure...Since they are only like 2,000 plays away form each other..it will be a fight.
I agree Gavin should be higher by year end chart time, unfortunatly so will Usher :)
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Post by ChartKid on Oct 18, 2005 19:19:26 GMT -5
as of right now, according to mediabase, BOBD has 376135 and WBT has 448453. thats for all formats, so yes WBT will be number one for the whole year. That's not including December spins.
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Post by Arson on Oct 18, 2005 20:26:59 GMT -5
Fortunately, R&R excludes all songs not making the chart within the chart year (which this year goes from early December, 2004 through early December, 2005, instead of January 1 - December 31, like the Mediabase list, which is the one that Jennifer used. Did it used to be from November to November (around Thanksgiving weekend)? I would imagine Mediabase has decreased the time needed to compile and finalize the Yearend Chart, so they R&R can include more data from the actual year. I am so burned out on the Top 20, and even moreso the Top 10.
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Post by JCMF3 on Oct 18, 2005 20:34:56 GMT -5
as of right now, according to mediabase, BOBD has 376135 and WBT has 448453. thats for all formats, so yes WBT will be number one for the whole year. That's not including December spins. But you also to realize that while BOBD topped more charts, WBT topped the charts that contribute the most spins of any chart on R&R. For any given week, the total spins for BOBD when it was #1 on Rock (~700), AAA (~500), Active Rock (~1700), and Alternative (~2900) still do not equal the spins that WBT got in one week on just RHY when it was #1 (~6800-7200).
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Post by agon666 on Oct 18, 2005 21:23:30 GMT -5
That's not including December spins. But you also to realize that while BOBD topped more charts, WBT topped the charts that contribute the most spins of any chart on R&R. For any given week, the total spins for BOBD when it was #1 on Rock (~700), AAA (~500), Active Rock (~1700), and Alternative (~2900) still do not equal the spins that WBT got in one week on just RHY when it was #1 (~6800-7200). All formats are created equal! ;) JK... I really don't care. I'll be doing an R&R year-end chart based on a point system, however, and I am thinking GD will take the cake there.
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Post by agon666 on Oct 18, 2005 21:29:48 GMT -5
That's not including December spins. But you also to realize that while BOBD topped more charts, WBT topped the charts that contribute the most spins of any chart on R&R. For any given week, the total spins for BOBD when it was #1 on Rock (~700), AAA (~500), Active Rock (~1700), and Alternative (~2900) still do not equal the spins that WBT got in one week on just RHY when it was #1 (~6800-7200). All formats are created equal! ;) JK... I really don't care. I'll be doing an R&R year-end chart based on a point system, however, and I am thinking GD will take the cake there.
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Post by friday on Oct 18, 2005 22:43:31 GMT -5
Well, regarding cumulative charts, I think a good cumulative chart might be a modified version of the current one being done. What you'd do is give each #1 song on a format chart 10,000 spins and then adjust every other song's total by a ratio of 10,000:X (X = actual spins). I've never really tried it myself, but I think that would be a good way of avoiding punishing songs played on formats that don't heavily rely on current songs.
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Post by Hervard on Oct 19, 2005 10:30:15 GMT -5
Fortunately, R&R excludes all songs not making the chart within the chart year (which this year goes from early December, 2004 through early December, 2005, instead of January 1 - December 31, like the Mediabase list, which is the one that Jennifer used. Did it used to be from November to November (around Thanksgiving weekend)? It used to be from the first weekend in December through the last weekend in November. Now it's the second week in December through the first week in December.
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Post by Marv on Oct 20, 2005 21:36:18 GMT -5
The R&R/Mediabase chart year ends at midnight (EST) on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, and R&Rs year-end issue will hit newsstands on December 8th, with the issue dated December 9th.
A few other items to consider.
1)---SUBG will be #1 for the year; BOBD had 2,532 FEWER spins in January; both songs peaked in March, with SUBG amassing 39,945 spins, vs. 38162 for BOBD.
2)---BTHE COULD finish at #2; it's only 331 spins behind WBT (as of midnight EDT last Saturday), but is 442 spins ahead of WBT for the month of October, but the Ciara/Missy Elliott song MIGHT finish at #2 due to its December 2004 spins.
3)--The Pussycats Dolls should pass both BEP and Usher this weekend, and possibly 3DD by mid-November.
4)---Ms. Clarkson will be the number one singles artist of the year, replacing Usher, who was tops in 2004.
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Post by seanblain on Oct 20, 2005 22:33:35 GMT -5
How could any song other than We Belong Together be #1 considering the song shattered the airplay impressions record and stayed above it for 6 or so weeks.
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Post by KikiMets on Oct 20, 2005 22:37:12 GMT -5
How could any song other than We Belong Together be #1 considering the song shattered the airplay impressions record and stayed above it for 6 or so weeks. It'll be #1 for the year on the Hot 100 easily, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be #1 in spins for the year at every format it was on.
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Post by JayBoozer on Oct 20, 2005 22:46:02 GMT -5
It's too bad that WBT fell pretty steeply, because it stayed in the 8000 + spin range for a lonnnnnng time.
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Post by seanblain on Oct 20, 2005 22:53:16 GMT -5
It's too bad that WBT fell pretty steeply, because it stayed in the 8000 + spin range for a lonnnnnng time. #8 in airplay is falling for Mariah
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Post by MinusName on Oct 21, 2005 8:16:48 GMT -5
Because believe it or not there were other #1's this year and some of them lasted a bit longer than Mariah. Another reason as to why longetivity is a key factor in chart performance. Personally, "WBT" doesn't feel like the #1 song of the year, top 5 - yes, but #1 would definetly be something from Ms. Clarkson, she was everywhere. Everyone knows about her. Some reasons why Kelly is bigger this year imo.... Well, I told my mom (who used to be a big Mariah fan in the early 90's) about Mariah being back on top, and she was like "she is?" I was like "Yeah, she's already had 2 #1's this year." "Oh, I didn't know anything about it." On the reverse side she knows that Kelly Clarkson has been big this year, and she is not a radio freak like the rest of us. There's some proof from my perspective, plus don't forget that Kelly Clarkson continues to do very well with her music videos - something Mariah isn't doing too well on, talking about on MTV of course - TRL. Again this is just on Pop radio, on the Hot 100 it is obvious that Mariah wins.
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Post by spooky21 on Oct 21, 2005 8:48:15 GMT -5
I'm really impressed by Kelly's stats. If Mariah wasn't such a multi format whore, Kelly would be the queen of Radio this year.
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Post by MinusName on Oct 21, 2005 8:58:44 GMT -5
Well said! :) Why did Mariah have to choose Kelly's year to make a comeback! She's had like 8 years to do it, and she chose the year when we finally had a superior female on the Pop chart.
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Post by Hervard on Oct 21, 2005 10:13:20 GMT -5
So it looks as though Kelly Clarkson is going to wind up with the top two songs of the year, does it? If my memory serves me correctly, that would be only the second time in R&R history that the two biggest songs of the year were by the same artist. The only other time that's happened was back in 1978, when the Bee Gees were #1 and #2 with "Night Fever" and "Stayin' Alive", respectively.
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Post by Marv on Oct 21, 2005 22:56:15 GMT -5
I believe the Beatles had the top two singles of 1964 in BB with "I Want To Hold Your Hand',and 'She Loves You', but I'm not sure.
When the Jackson Five hit #1 with their first four singles in 1970 (breaking the record of three set by the Four Seasons), 'I'll Be There' and 'ABC both finished in the year-end top 10, which doesn't happen very often either.
'WBT' won't finish #1 for one simple reason; it came out too late, and was unable to overcome the HUGE lead which 'SUBG' had in spins, including 58,000 spins in January & February, as well as lots of spins last December.
Also, I doubt that Ms. Clarkson could EVER be considered a 'superior female' over Ms. Carey.
When you consider the larger number of SOLID female vocalists who were huge in 1990 when Ms. Carey exploded simultaneously at CHR/Pop and AC, there's no comparison.
Ms. Clarkson is the best of what is unquestionably the worst collection of females who are dominant at CHR/Pop than at any other time over the past forty years, but that's not saying very much.
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Post by Hervard on Oct 22, 2005 8:36:42 GMT -5
I believe the Beatles had the top two singles of 1964 in BB with "I Want To Hold Your Hand',and 'She Loves You', but I'm not sure. Yeah, but that was before R&R. Yeah, but it seems to be happening more often (the most recent case being, I believe, Maroon 5, unless "She Will Be Loved" missed the Top Ten). Exactly. If the year end chart were still figured with the inverse point system, WBT might be #1 for the year (since R&R gave ten extra points for each week at #1).
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Post by MinusName on Oct 22, 2005 8:45:55 GMT -5
I didn't mean it like that, Mariah is obviously superior to Kelly, I meant that this year we finally have a superior female artist that has staying power - that would be Kelly Clarkson. I meant that Mariah cameback the year that we finally had a superior female artist. I would say we haven't had one over the past few years. All in all I'd say we ended up with two superior females this year, thus making a great year.
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Post by Say It Right Only On Sundays on Oct 22, 2005 9:32:58 GMT -5
While I like some of Kelly's material, she has only had 2 albums out; I think we have to hold off on talking about staying power until we see how her future releases fare. You never know after this great album she could deliver a horrible one as a follow up that radio hates. Also, I would say Mariah has throughtout her career dealt with a far more competitive field than Kelly has in terms of award nominations/ radio airplay.
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Post by britrocks16 on Oct 22, 2005 11:19:41 GMT -5
"We Belong Together" would have easily been the #1 song on Pop if it had come out a month or two earlier.
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