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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2005 14:17:08 GMT -5
Ok, I'm confused. Which song will be overall year-end #1 and which will be Pop #1? We Belong Together Since U Been Gone
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Post by pce2b on Oct 26, 2005 15:37:37 GMT -5
I am so confused. If Behind These Hazel Eyes is beating We Belong Together on Pop, and that didnt have a three month head start, then why the heck should We Belong Together be the biggest pop song of the year no matter how you look at it?
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Post by MinusName on Oct 26, 2005 16:14:17 GMT -5
I think you mean "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback instead of 3 Doors Down, that was the next year. "WBT" will probably be #1 on Rick Dees, since "Complicated" was #1 on his chart, not like he's a real valuable source though.
Hey! That's actually a very good point, I can't believe no one has said that yet, it is true, "Behind These Hazel Eyes" may indeed be the #1 song for the year on Pop, "We Belong Together" is already struggling to stay ahead of "BTHE," both in which the entire chart run was this year. Does anyone have an update for the spin totals so far this year?
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Post by Hervard on Oct 26, 2005 16:31:16 GMT -5
I know that the Pop number one is going to be "Since U Been Gone" by Kelly Clarkson. I think the overall number one song will be "We Belong Together" by Mariah Carey.
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Post by spyofdaeast on Oct 26, 2005 16:32:52 GMT -5
As I stated earlier, R&R's chart year ENDS with the Mediabase report which ends at mifnight (EST) on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. THAT's why December spins mean a LOT, & another reason why 'SUBG' will be #1 for the year. A similar episode took place in 2002, when 'Complicated' was #1 for eight weeks, but couldn't catch 'When I'm Gone' by Three Doors Down for the same reason; it came out too late. You could CERTAINLY make a case that both 'Complicated' and 'WBT' were the TRUE #1 singles of their respective years, and you're VERY likely to have LOTS of folks agreeing with you!!!! Well I guess I'm not one of them
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Post by Hervard on Oct 26, 2005 16:37:40 GMT -5
I think you mean "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback instead of 3 Doors Down, that was the next year. "WBT" will probably be #1 on Rick Dees, since "Complicated" was #1 on his chart, not like he's a real valuable source though. Yeah. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that he left the #1 song as it was in 2000, since it was a non-number one song ("Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon) and the number two song, "Bye Bye Bye" by 'N Sync was the longest running number one song of the year, even with the fact that he artificially moved "Maria Maria" by Santana to number one for two of those weeks. With the new chart he's been using since the start of the year, I'm almost too afraid to see how his year-end chart will be. Hopefully, it'll be the same as last year's. The only difference between that and R&R was the slightly different time frame and the fact that there was a handful of songs that had long since left the chart before the beginning of the chart year, which are excluded by R&R.
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Post by Cerebro on Oct 26, 2005 18:21:53 GMT -5
I think you mean "How You Remind Me" by Nickelback instead of 3 Doors Down, that was the next year. "WBT" will probably be #1 on Rick Dees, since "Complicated" was #1 on his chart, not like he's a real valuable source though. Yeah. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that he left the #1 song as it was in 2000, since it was a non-number one song ("Everything You Want" by Vertical Horizon) and the number two song, "Bye Bye Bye" by 'N Sync was the longest running number one song of the year, even with the fact that he artificially moved "Maria Maria" by Santana to number one for two of those weeks. With the new chart he's been using since the start of the year, I'm almost too afraid to see how his year-end chart will be. Hopefully, it'll be the same as last year's. The only difference between that and R&R was the slightly different time frame and the fact that there was a handful of songs that had long since left the chart before the beginning of the chart year, which are excluded by R&R. I could easily see Mariah making the top of Rick's chart this year, if only because "Since U Been Gone" didn't spend nearly as many weeks at the top of his chart. "Caught Up," "Candy Shop," and, I think, "Karma" all squeezed in a week or two at #1 around this period. With such a bizarre weekly chart, Rick's year-ender will, definitely, be an interesting one to watch.
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Post by Marv on Oct 26, 2005 23:27:05 GMT -5
I goofed; it was 'How You Remind Me', as well as Linkin Park's 'In The End' which topped 'Complicated' in 2002.
'When I'm Gone' is a GREAT textbook example of how to have the year's number one single; debut on the charts in R&Rs 2002 year-end issue, take FOREVER to hit #1, utilize TONS of recurrent airplay to overcome a mere one-week stay at #1, and hold off another 1-week charttopper in the process----'Bring Me To Life' by Evanesence.
'WBT' peaked in July; the number one single for each of the past four years at R&R) all hit #1 (and peaked) in April, and three of those four singles were on the charts in December of the previous year, when the R&R/Mediabse chart year begins.
Ms. Carey didn't hit Mediabase until the final week of March, thus costing her any chance of suprassing 'SUBG', and winding up #1 for the year.
Furthermore, 'BTHE' has outgained 'WBT' by 800 spins so far this month, and with barely a month left, this will be a VERY close race for number TWO for the year, with 'BTHE' a tiny TWENTY-SEVEN spins ahead of 'WBT' for the entire year.
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Post by MinusName on Oct 27, 2005 8:34:57 GMT -5
This was the point I was trying to make earlier. I know "SUBG" will be #1 on Pop for the chart year, but for the actual year it will probably be "BTHE," not "WBT," which was the argument many were making earlier on. Basically, despite having the longest running #1 song of the year she couldn't keep up her spins long enough to beat another Kelly song. Yes, Mariah will be #1 overall on the Hot 100.
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Post by ..Varun.. on Oct 27, 2005 8:41:32 GMT -5
yeaaa thatz better, wbt #1 on the hot 100!!!!
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Post by pce2b on Oct 27, 2005 13:34:46 GMT -5
All due respect to Mariah for her Hot 100#1 finish. Now this is the pop board, so back to the point. Since U Been Gone, Behind These Hazel Eyes...doesnt matter, Kelly has the number one pop song of the year. Not to mention she's the pop artist of the year. Now lets all be happy!!!
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Post by hidizzyguy on Oct 27, 2005 13:43:31 GMT -5
Well, let's see if the TEOM re-release does anything to increase WBT airplay.... or any other track on that album for that matter......
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Post by Marv on Oct 28, 2005 0:54:30 GMT -5
'SUBG' has a lead of almost 29,000 spins over 'BTHE' WITHOUT using December 2004 spins, so 'WBT' is out of the picture for #1 of the year at R&R.
Given the HUGE difference in the chart methodology between R&R & BB, 'WBT' COULD be #1 for the year in BB, but 'SUBG' is a lock for #1 single of the year at R&R, as well as on all syndicated shows which use R&R.
I don't trust Rick Dees under ANY circumstances anyway; I'm STILL stunned that 'I Know' by Dionne Farris spent NINE weeks @ #1 but only wound up #5 on his year end countdown show, whereas 'Kiss From A Rose' finished on top despite only 5 or 6 weeks at the top.
Go figure!!!!
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Post by top40dj on Oct 28, 2005 1:56:45 GMT -5
Wait a second...Yeah is at #46??? Usher wasn't on the survey in December 04....hmmm
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Post by Cerebro on Oct 28, 2005 8:12:57 GMT -5
Wait a second...Yeah is at #46??? Usher wasn't on the survey in December 04....hmmm "Yeah!' is there because the chart at Mediabase takes into account any and all current and recurrent play over the year (since it's been in the recurrentless top 40 for most of the year, I'm not surprised to see it). R&R's year-end chart adds in a rule that states that a song needs to spend at least one week as a current during the chart year to be eligible for the chart. Simply put, "Yeah!" spent the entire year as a recurrent and, thus, won't be allowed on R&R's year-ender.
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Post by top40dj on Oct 28, 2005 10:15:14 GMT -5
Wait a second...Yeah is at #46??? Usher wasn't on the survey in December 04....hmmm "Yeah!' is there because the chart at Mediabase takes into account any and all current and recurrent play over the year (since it's been in the recurrentless top 40 for most of the year, I'm not surprised to see it). R&R's year-end chart adds in a rule that states that a song needs to spend at least one week as a current during the chart year to be eligible for the chart. Simply put, "Yeah!" spent the entire year as a recurrent and, thus, won't be allowed on R&R's year-ender. Thanks! I thought the chart was posted with the rules in place...my bad :(
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Post by Hervard on Oct 28, 2005 10:23:35 GMT -5
Wait a second...Yeah is at #46??? Usher wasn't on the survey in December 04....hmmm "Yeah!' is there because the chart at Mediabase takes into account any and all current and recurrent play over the year (since it's been in the recurrentless top 40 for most of the year, I'm not surprised to see it). R&R's year-end chart adds in a rule that states that a song needs to spend at least one week as a current during the chart year to be eligible for the chart. Simply put, "Yeah!" spent the entire year as a recurrent and, thus, won't be allowed on R&R's year-ender. I think "Yeah" got an airplay boost in late December/early January because it was number one on all the year-end countdowns.
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Post by Hervard on Oct 28, 2005 10:28:15 GMT -5
I don't trust Rick Dees under ANY circumstances anyway; I'm STILL stunned that 'I Know' by Dionne Farris spent NINE weeks @ #1 but only wound up #5 on his year end countdown show, whereas 'Kiss From A Rose' finished on top despite only 5 or 6 weeks at the top. Go figure!!!! I think Dionne Farris was #12 for Rick's year-end show. I was pretty surprised at that myself but that whole chart seemed kind of warped. Dionne Farris clearly being lower than what she should have been was the most noticeable discrepancy.
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Post by Marv on Oct 29, 2005 22:42:11 GMT -5
I guess we just can't trust Rick Dees anymore, can we???????????
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Post by shark cousteau on Oct 30, 2005 3:48:59 GMT -5
he had 'where is the love' as #1 for the year 2003, wasnt 'when i'm gone' #1 that year? anyway, his chart is gonna be really bizare, cause 'subg' spent 1 week at #1 (11 at #2), but 'karma', 'caught up', 'candy shop', 'beautiful soul', 'obsession', 'dont cha' and 'behind these hazel eyes' all made it to #1 on his chart only.
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Post by Marv on Nov 1, 2005 14:15:38 GMT -5
Ciara COULD wind up #2 or #3 for the year in R&R, thanks to its spins last December.
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Post by top40dj on Nov 11, 2005 20:37:41 GMT -5
Has there been an update? We are getting uber-close to the closing date!!
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Nov 11, 2005 23:16:50 GMT -5
he had 'where is the love' as #1 for the year 2003, wasnt 'when i'm gone' #1 that year? anyway, his chart is gonna be really bizare, cause 'subg' spent 1 week at #1 (11 at #2), but 'karma', 'caught up', 'candy shop', 'beautiful soul', 'obsession', 'dont cha' and 'behind these hazel eyes' all made it to #1 on his chart only. honestly, I doubt Dees will even take his own charts throughout the year into account when making his year-end show.
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Post by Adz on Nov 12, 2005 1:52:56 GMT -5
Will the billboard end of year include sales? If so Hollaback Girl is a shoe in for #1.
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Post by Topay on Nov 13, 2005 10:09:43 GMT -5
Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 is a lot like R&R's CHR/Pop. They include airplay based on the weekly charts, but they differ from R&R in that they don't include recurrent airplay. I think "Since U Been Gone" will be #1 here.
The Hot 100 includes both airplay and sales. I think Gwen has a very good chance at being #1, unless Mariah or Kelly slip in there.
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Post by Marv on Nov 13, 2005 23:31:42 GMT -5
Entering the final two weeks of R&R's/Mediabase chart year, here's the latest spin count.
SUBG--------221180
BTHE--------195721
WBT---------194554
BOBD-------182015
1-2-Step---170375
One thing to keep in mind is that both BOBD and 1-2-Step had LOTS of spins (over 30,000) in December.
SUBG is a mortal lock for #1, as has been the case since Labor Day; Ciara could finish at #2, and BOBD MIGHT catch WBT, but it's going to be EXTREMELY close!!!!!!!!
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Post by top40dj on Nov 14, 2005 1:06:48 GMT -5
Entering the final two weeks of R&R's/Mediabase chart year, here's the latest spin count. SUBG--------221180 BTHE--------195721 WBT---------194554 BOBD-------182015 1-2-Step---170375 One thing to keep in mind is that both BOBD and 1-2-Step had LOTS of spins (over 30,000) in December. SUBG is a mortal lock for #1, as has been the case since Labor Day; Ciara could finish at #2, and BOBD MIGHT catch WBT, but it's going to be EXTREMELY close!!!!!!!! Thanks Marv.... Does anyone klnow which week the edition will be out??
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Post by Hervard on Nov 14, 2005 8:28:49 GMT -5
I believe the year-end charts will be in the December 16 issue.
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Post by JCMF3 on Nov 14, 2005 10:04:33 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is that both BOBD and 1-2-Step had LOTS of spins (over 30,000) in December. BOBD does NOT have over 30000 spins from December. The song entered the top 50 on the 12/19/04 chart. It climbed quickly, but it did NOT attain 30000 spins in 2-3 weeks! In fact, its total spin total for January was just over 21000. How did it have another 10000 spins the month BEFORE? Most likely, the song probably had something like a few thousand spins from December. As far as 1,2 Step, perhaps 30000 is a little too large since the song was still climbing the chart at that time. BTW, which YTD chart are you looking at? Is it just the R&R panel or the entire panel? Because, of the latest that I saw, SUBG has yet to cross 210000 spins, implying that perhaps you may be looking at the FULL panel and not just the R&R panel.
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Post by Marv on Nov 15, 2005 13:50:53 GMT -5
I was looking at the FULL Mediabase panel.
R&Rs year-end issue will be dated 12-09-05; it traditionally comes out two weeks after Thanksgiving.
Ciara had 34,000+ spins in January, which was 10,000 more than SUBG; consequently it must have had more like 20,000-24,000+ spins last December, so I stand corrected.
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