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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 13:01:46 GMT -5
John, actually, you said your opinions were the truth, or rather acted as so, and anyone who disagreed is just in denial. I think thats why so many people get annoyed with you, to tell you the truth. Like Gigga said...its all intrepretation and everyone in this thread has a different intrepretation...but no one likes to repeatedly be told that they are in denial of the truth because they think WA will peak somewhere else in comparison to you. We are all just Kelly fans, right? And in the long run it doesnt really matter if it peaks at #3 or #7...I mean, years from now no one will be lamenting that (At least, I hope not...). Cant we just be happy that to some extent, it is a hit and that Kelly has continued her top 10 streak? I mean, look at all the other artists struggling to go top 30 and Kelly has had how many stretches of weeks in the top 10? Amazing airplay. That being said, bullet is back UP again, song is on the UP on Itunes, and still no video. SMASH for a fifth single! (In my opinion-not the truth ;) ) I really think people are reading too much into my posts on this thread and taking them too personally... I make these EXACT same kind of posts about other songs and I don't get near the negative feedback as I do here... The sad part is like you said... we're all Kelly fans... why can't we accept each other's opinions and try to get along? If this goes #1 like some of you predicted at the beginning.. great! More power to all of you and I'll be glad to wear 7th fairway's dunce cap... All along I've simply tried to be objective about this song... it's indeed doing great for a 5th single. Better than I expected it would do...
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Post by Filthy Pop on Feb 27, 2006 15:31:37 GMT -5
9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 5788 5315 +473 40.499
That's pretty hot don't y'all think?
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Post by OUcultjam on Feb 27, 2006 16:31:03 GMT -5
John, I'm coming out of ignore mode just to say this... there are MANY times I've thought of saying something to disagree with you in some of those other threads you speak of, or call you out for your bragging... in fact I almost replied to one this morning... however, it's just not worth the effort. I think a lot of people on this board just ignore you. In this case, we sincerely care about this particular artist and some of your comments are incorrect and not fully researched. We know the facts, so we feel compelled to point them out to you, especially when you say things with the attitude that we just can't face the truth. It's you that are being shown the truth. I've just gotten tired of the paragraph explanations such as this one, so I don't bother anymore. You can believe whatever you want to believe... just don't feel so insulted when we call you out for being wrong. We faced the truth and we were right. I'm now going back to IGNORE mode.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 27, 2006 16:32:08 GMT -5
Chantal and Raine must be getting rich off this one song alone! W0w! No wonder she doesn't release a new album fast.
Congrats to Chantal on co-writing her second Top 10 smash!
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 27, 2006 17:15:26 GMT -5
By the way, Breakaway will become THE most played album (across ALL formats) in a matter of weeks when it passes Usher and Maroon 5's albums. That's nothing short of AMAZING. Are you sure of that? Usher had MASSIVE airplay. I'm pretty sure he got more than Kelly.
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Post by OUcultjam on Feb 27, 2006 17:32:07 GMT -5
^ go check out my post in the Breakaway thread, complete with numbers! She'll pass Usher in less than a month. I didn't do the research myself, but it comes from a very reliable source.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 27, 2006 17:50:59 GMT -5
Usher got massive airplay...but whoa nelly. Have you even seen Kelly's airplay? And she had the top 2 songs of the entire year in spins-I can definitely believe it!
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 18:03:58 GMT -5
John, I'm coming out of ignore mode just to say this... there are MANY times I've thought of saying something to disagree with you in some of those other threads you speak of, or call you out for your bragging... in fact I almost replied to one this morning... however, it's just not worth the effort. I think a lot of people on this board just ignore you. In this case, we sincerely care about this particular artist and some of your comments are incorrect and not fully researched. We know the facts, so we feel compelled to point them out to you, especially when you say things with the attitude that we just can't face the truth. It's you that are being shown the truth. I've just gotten tired of the paragraph explanations such as this one, so I don't bother anymore. You can believe whatever you want to believe... just don't feel so insulted when we call you out for being wrong. We faced the truth and we were right. I'm now going back to IGNORE mode. The song is at #8... that hardly means you're right. I'm amazed at how defensive and intolerant people are when discussing this song.
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Post by rpclarksonswimmer1 on Feb 27, 2006 18:13:00 GMT -5
Walk Away. One heck of a song isn't it?
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Post by 7thfairway on Feb 27, 2006 18:13:49 GMT -5
The song is at #8... that hardly means you're right. I'm amazed at how defensive and intolerant people are when discussing this song. As usual John77, you ignore the obvious evidence right in front of your face and the TRUTH of the circumstances. Heres todays updated chart: 1 1 BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim ... 2005 Sony Urban/Columbia 8645 8972 -327 60.038 2 2 NE-YO So Sick 2005 Def Jam/IDJMG 8083 7790 293 59.179 8 3 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Unwritten 2005 Epic 6152 5562 590 46.492 4 4 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance 2005 Island/IDJMG 6148 6064 84 42.389 10 5 MARY J. BLIGE Be Without You 2005 Geffen 6085 5168 917 52.977 5 6 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Dirty Little Secret 2005 Interscope 5945 5996 -51 43.845 3 7 PUSSYCAT DOLLS Stickwitu 2005 A&M 5920 6526 -606 41.948 9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499 7 9 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall,... 2005 Derrrty/Universal 5679 5718 -39 35.446 6 10 CHRIS BROWN Run It 2005 Jive/Zomba Label Grp 5283 5871 -588 34.398 It's fairly obvious WA will probably move up 2 spots by the final update Sunday night. That puts WA at #6 with a sizable bullet with 2 songs above it running out of steam fast (Beyonce and FOB) Dispute that with some *magic* John77 analysis.
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 18:17:23 GMT -5
The song is at #8... that hardly means you're right. I'm amazed at how defensive and intolerant people are when discussing this song. As usual John77, you ignore the obvious evidence right in front of your face and the TRUTH of the circumstances. Heres todays updated chart: 1 1 BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim ... 2005 Sony Urban/Columbia 8645 8972 -327 60.038 2 2 NE-YO So Sick 2005 Def Jam/IDJMG 8083 7790 293 59.179 8 3 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Unwritten 2005 Epic 6152 5562 590 46.492 4 4 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance 2005 Island/IDJMG 6148 6064 84 42.389 10 5 MARY J. BLIGE Be Without You 2005 Geffen 6085 5168 917 52.977 5 6 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Dirty Little Secret 2005 Interscope 5945 5996 -51 43.845 3 7 PUSSYCAT DOLLS Stickwitu 2005 A&M 5920 6526 -606 41.948 9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499 7 9 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall,... 2005 Derrrty/Universal 5679 5718 -39 35.446 6 10 CHRIS BROWN Run It 2005 Jive/Zomba Label Grp 5283 5871 -588 34.398 It's fairly obvious WA will move up at least 2 spots and quite possibly 3 by the final update Sunday night. That puts WA at #6 with a sizable bullet or #5 with a sizable bullet. Dispute that with some *magic* John77 analysis. 9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499
Fact of the matter is the song is still at #8... lots of people here said this was going to get to #1. I said #9... I think it's so funny that you and OU in particular waste your time trying to change my mind. It's Monday... lots can change in the next 6 days, so don't be counting your chickens before they're hatched...
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Post by MusicJunkie on Feb 27, 2006 18:27:40 GMT -5
This still has a chance for #1 but I think it'll end up @ #2. Here's my analysis. By next week for sure, this will pass PCD, AAR, and most like FOB as well. That puts it @ #5. Eventually, Beyonce will begin to drop faster and Ne-Yo will lose its bullet with Walk Away still having a healthy bullet with the video coming up in a few wks. That puts it @ #3 and IMO a guaranteed top 3 peak. All the songs currently above Walk Away were released last year and will get very old very soon. From there, it all depends on how long radio will hold onto Natasha and Mary J. I predict Mary J. will get old and drop faster to let Kelly peak @ #2. But looking at the songs above, I think a top 3 peak is obvious. John77, I don't know how the hell you predict a 7-9 peak.
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 18:31:03 GMT -5
This still has a chance for #1 but I think it'll end up @ #2. Here's my analysis. By next week for sure, this will pass PCD, AAR, and most like FOB as well. That puts it @ #5. Eventually, Beyonce will begin to drop faster and Ne-Yo will lose its bullet with Walk Away still having a healthy bullet with the video coming up in a few wks. That puts it @ #3 and IMO a guaranteed top 3 peak. All the songs currently above Walk Away were released last year and will get very old very soon. From there, it all depends on how long radio will hold onto Natasha and Mary J. I predict Mary J. will get old and drop faster to let Kelly peak @ #2. But looking at the songs above, I think a top 3 peak is obvious. John77, I don't know how the hell you predict a 7-9 peak. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's all good... It's nice that someone can state their opinion and not bash others in the process... thanks.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 27, 2006 18:35:31 GMT -5
As usual John77, you ignore the obvious evidence right in front of your face and the TRUTH of the circumstances. Heres todays updated chart: 1 1 BEYONCE Check On It f/Slim ... 2005 Sony Urban/Columbia 8645 8972 -327 60.038 2 2 NE-YO So Sick 2005 Def Jam/IDJMG 8083 7790 293 59.179 8 3 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD Unwritten 2005 Epic 6152 5562 590 46.492 4 4 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance 2005 Island/IDJMG 6148 6064 84 42.389 10 5 MARY J. BLIGE Be Without You 2005 Geffen 6085 5168 917 52.977 5 6 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Dirty Little Secret 2005 Interscope 5945 5996 -51 43.845 3 7 PUSSYCAT DOLLS Stickwitu 2005 A&M 5920 6526 -606 41.948 9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499 7 9 NELLY Grillz (f/Paul Wall,... 2005 Derrrty/Universal 5679 5718 -39 35.446 6 10 CHRIS BROWN Run It 2005 Jive/Zomba Label Grp 5283 5871 -588 34.398 It's fairly obvious WA will move up at least 2 spots and quite possibly 3 by the final update Sunday night. That puts WA at #6 with a sizable bullet or #5 with a sizable bullet. Dispute that with some *magic* John77 analysis. 9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499
Fact of the matter is the song is still at #8... lots of people here said this was going to get to #1. I said #9... I think it's so funny that you and OU in particular waste your time trying to change my mind. It's Monday... lots can change in the next 6 days, so don't be counting your chickens before they're hatched... Dude, I have never ever seen someone so entirely bitter at a single choice before.
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 18:40:47 GMT -5
9 8 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 2004 RCA/RMG 5788 5315 473 40.499
Fact of the matter is the song is still at #8... lots of people here said this was going to get to #1. I said #9... I think it's so funny that you and OU in particular waste your time trying to change my mind. It's Monday... lots can change in the next 6 days, so don't be counting your chickens before they're hatched... Dude, I have never ever seen someone so entirely bitter at a single choice before. I'm not bitter... just disappointed... "Gone" is a better song IMHO, but hey everyone's entitled to their opinion (as long as they don't pull their shot into a bunker or the drink), so it's all good with me...
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 27, 2006 18:44:10 GMT -5
Yes...but when I am disappointed I normally dont campaign against the other song for 30 plus pages and multiple topics. Its just a single choice And Kelly's personal choice...not that that makes a HUGE difference, but I am always happy when an artist is able to release a song they believe in and love as opposed to what the label chooses.
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Post by OUcultjam on Feb 27, 2006 18:51:16 GMT -5
Fact of the matter is the song is still at #8... lots of people here said this was going to get to #1. I said #9... I think it's so funny that you and OU in particular waste your time trying to change my mind. Nah, I don't know if it's going to make it to #1. Honestly, I'll be shocked if it does. But I was shocked BOY made it to #1, so what do I know? I just don't care for the way that you brag in making your predictions and basically consider us delusional for thinking the song will do better than whatever you predict. About the single choice... Kelly's the one that will have to sing it for many years on her tour - let her choose what she wants. Plus, she co-wrote the song, and I believe all of her song writing is better than what John Shanks puts out there (i.e. Gone).
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 18:55:15 GMT -5
Yes...but when I am disappointed I normally dont campaign against the other song for 30 plus pages and multiple topics. Its just a single choice And Kelly's personal choice...not that that makes a HUGE difference, but I am always happy when an artist is able to release a song they believe in and love as opposed to what the label chooses. I don't have 30+ pages of posts on this song for sure... 7th fairway I'm sure has an exact count though on my posts to this thread. ;) As for the song, it's her choice and far as choosing this as a single and it's all good... I won't be the first time I disagree with an artist's choice of singles and it won't be the last, God willing.
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Post by John77 on Feb 27, 2006 19:00:14 GMT -5
Fact of the matter is the song is still at #8... lots of people here said this was going to get to #1. I said #9... I think it's so funny that you and OU in particular waste your time trying to change my mind. Nah, I don't know if it's going to make it to #1. Honestly, I'll be shocked if it does. But I was shocked BOY made it to #1, so what do I know? I just don't care for the way that you brag in making your predictions and basically consider us delusional for thinking the song will do better than whatever you predict. About the single choice... Kelly's the one that will have to sing it for many years on her tour - let her choose what she wants. Plus, she co-wrote the song, and I believe all of her song writing is better than what John Shanks puts out there (i.e. Gone). The first time I heard BOY, I said that song was going to #1 (this was before I found this place)... I just didn't get that same vibe the first (or 50th time) listening to this one... I hardly think you or anyone else is delusional, trust me. I think it's great that you're so passionate about Kelly and her music... I know there are a lot of John Shanks haters out there for whatever reason... but I don't even want to go there as that's an even bigger can of worms than this is. ;)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 27, 2006 21:14:52 GMT -5
I liked John Shanks on Michelle Branch's 'Hotel Paper' but I think he prevented Alanis' 'So Called Chaos' from being an amazing piece of work.
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 27, 2006 21:27:50 GMT -5
Doesn't John Shanks write for Ashlee?
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Post by Krypton46 on Feb 27, 2006 21:36:59 GMT -5
Yeah, he wrote and produced for both her albums.
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 27, 2006 21:47:59 GMT -5
Ewww. lol. Anyways, this song seems like its going Top 5 for sure!
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Post by musiclives on Feb 28, 2006 8:19:09 GMT -5
5 6 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Dirty Little Secret 5924 5955 -31 44.258 9 7 KELLY CLARKSON Walk Away 5869 5376 493 41.003 3 8 PUSSYCAT DOLLS Stickwitu 5812 6410 -598 40.590
Yeah!!! Up to #7!
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Post by MinusName on Feb 28, 2006 9:01:57 GMT -5
It looks like she will move up to #5 within the next few days! I'm guessing this will peak at #3 now, as Mary J. Blige and Natasha will keep her from going higher.
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Post by musiclives on Feb 28, 2006 9:06:58 GMT -5
I don't know. I think "Walk Away" will eventually carry enough steam to pass "Unwritten" for a #2 peak! Even if it is for just one week. Man, this song is doin awesome!
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Post by 7thfairway on Feb 28, 2006 10:43:00 GMT -5
Heyyyyyyyyyy John77! Have you seen the Pop chart today? Splain it to me buddy?
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Post by MusicJunkie on Feb 28, 2006 11:01:38 GMT -5
I knew it. I predict top 2 for sure.
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Post by Gui393 on Feb 28, 2006 11:10:25 GMT -5
It looks like it will peak at #3.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 28, 2006 11:29:18 GMT -5
looks like at least a top 5 is guaranteed, but she has some songs breathing down her neck that may be a concern a few weeks from now.
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