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Post by Haley on May 6, 2007 13:35:34 GMT -5
i am NOT a hater or a troll or anything like that. I am asking an honest question...are you guys getting worried by the fact that its down to +340? Or do you think that it is just slowing down after its huge start and will pick up again? I am relatively new to watching the charts THIS closely, so i have never seen a song start out SO huge, then slow down SO fast, and then takeoff again...has it happened before? I think people are worrying too much. ;)
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realnewlight
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Post by realnewlight on May 6, 2007 13:37:23 GMT -5
Well..why? I mean, obviously in the big picture of life, Kelly's bullet does not mean much...but i dont think ANYBODY would have predicted she woulda been down to this bullet at this point.
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Post by JayBoozer on May 6, 2007 13:42:15 GMT -5
^yea you are because you have made your point, your opinion is heard and received. you are not wise or clever enough to try and make it sound as though she is wasting her time and you are concerned about her and she needs to learn her lesson and all that crap. if you dont like it, say you dont like it and discuss the numbers not posting every day the bullet and saying its going to flop. thats not productive on a discussion board. Alright, if people are so bothered by it then I'll stop... However, there's no such thing as being "productive" on a discussion board because It's called a discussion board for a reason, people can disagree with me if they want.
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Post by justfloating on May 6, 2007 13:54:57 GMT -5
^I have no problem with it, and yea there's such thing as being productive. That means not posting everyday saying "the bullet is down, this is going to flop. im concerned for Kelly". How is that productive? Posting updates and discussing the numbers is one thing but you are just looking for people to argue with you. if you werent, you wouldnt post the same thing over and over again. Dont play the "its a discussion board....if they want" card because you know that is not what you are doing and you know you are just trying to get some kind of enjoyment from this. Nobody is stupid enough to believe you are just trying to have a discussion.
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Post by Modern Myth on May 6, 2007 13:57:37 GMT -5
I wish everyone got along :[
Anyways, I still believe this song will be huge, even with the bulletin not being huge.
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Post by mistuda on May 6, 2007 14:00:20 GMT -5
Her bullet is higher right now in the hot AC then pop ....I think the label will push it though and it will go back up!
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Post by popmusicaddict on May 6, 2007 14:19:31 GMT -5
Her bullet is higher right now in the hot AC then pop ....I think the label will push it though and it will go back up! The Label and Kelly herself are working on promo pushing / radio interviews. And to further answer realnewlight - no I dont' think anyone expected the bullet to be that low, but same can be said about Maroon 5 hell even Umbrella right now. You never know whats gonna happen on the charts with this declining audience issue and now a spin issue with every hot song (except Carrie Pink and Avril heh). Kelly's getting the worst of it right now cuz she was stabalizing while other songs were near a thousand in bullet. Besides one sould not compare those songs to begin with just cuz Kelly's caught up upon a skyrocket debut. It made the song look like it should be right up there competing with Justins song when Justins song believe it or not have been on the Mediabase charts for 9 weeks now. No need to fear, Kelly wont be passed, no matter how low her bullet goes, and honestly like I said before , somethings weird with the numbers within the top 50 playlist , its gonna definately go up VERY soon. and besides, wasn't kellys first album thankful enough? She sure WAS, so Thankful she let 19 E run all over her and flop 2 singles till she got sick of it and took control of her own music. Even if Never Again doesn't become successful on radio I'd definately prefer her music how it is right now, its VERY real compared to Thankful. Hell I don't even own Thankful, I became her fan from Breakaway.
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on May 6, 2007 14:43:18 GMT -5
Hi i'm new here and i would like to share my opinion about what i think of 'Never Again's chart performance right now.
No matter how you slice it or dice it, a +340 bullet at #22 for a 1st single by a female who pratically dominated Top 40 radio with her last album with 5 Top Five hits (4 #1s), is really dissapointing. I would've never imagined in a million years this would've happened to her 1st single. Even if you look back to when this song leaked, all her fans were excited thinking it was going to continue her streak of hits and then when it underperforms they are finding a way around it. I'm sorry...this is dissapointing by all means. If this song misses the top 20, that would be horrible. It might make it to like #17 or #16, but that's still not good for Kelly, considering in the last year, 1st singles by Maroon 5, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, and Avril Lavigne all shot into the top ten with nothing putting a stop to them.
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Post by winner2000 on May 6, 2007 14:59:24 GMT -5
^ Wow...the stench of TROLL is strong today...
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Post by mamasboy on May 6, 2007 15:00:32 GMT -5
Hi i'm new here and i would like to share my opinion about what i think of 'Never Again's chart performance right now. No matter how you slice it or dice it, a +340 bullet at #22 for a 1st single by a female who pratically dominated Top 40 radio with her last album with 5 Top Five hits (4 #1s), is really dissapointing. I would've never imagined in a million years this would've happened to her 1st single. Even if you look back to when this song leaked, all her fans were excited thinking it was going to continue her streak of hits and then when it underperforms they are finding a way around it. I'm sorry...this is dissapointing by all means. If this song misses the top 20, that would be horrible. It might make it to like #17 or #16, but that's still not good for Kelly, considering in the last year, 1st singles by Maroon 5, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, and Avril Lavigne all shot into the top ten with nothing putting a stop to them. And do you understand that it's EXTREMELY early on in this song's chart run???? I'm not sure that you do.
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Post by Juanca on May 6, 2007 16:05:31 GMT -5
Hey, guys.... I understand that most of us are bored and tired with so many trolls saying I hope it Flops, FLOPS and hating the song, etc... however, I would also advise to be careful and treat every post individually.... I think that, for example, JustinAB has some valid posts, too. I mean, expressing concerns of flop in an educated way is as valid in a discussion forum as all the other posts that just say: "Good to see this gaining spins" or "Great Kelly song" and that's it. Of course, no one will ever argue about the 'positiveness' of those posts that come to express their feelings without contributing anything else... so, I think we should also be more tolerant and not answer too bitterly to every non-cheerful post about the song.
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Post by Juanca on May 6, 2007 16:07:49 GMT -5
And, by the way, I think that today's chart is one of the weirdest of the last months, so I wouldn't take too seriously the moves TODAY... she was gaining more the past days, so she may regain that move in the following days. I think Kelly is up for a Top10, but it would take more time than what people initially expected... BUT, less time than most of her other singles!!
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Post by kellyfan1232 on May 6, 2007 16:58:25 GMT -5
Damn...we have a lot of trolls today. LMAO
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Post by justfloating on May 6, 2007 17:01:01 GMT -5
I just cant wait for this to go Top 10 lol
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Post by doodlebug on May 6, 2007 17:40:04 GMT -5
This thread is definitely strange. Some posts definitely scream out and out troll but others just seem to say they are not diehard Kelly fans and have expressed they either liked or don't like the song. Maybe as we keep being told, it should be remembered it's not a fan board, therefore not all think alike or even hope for the same things. What I'm not getting here is why this is being considered a flop, either now or in the future, if it doesn't hit #1 or top 5? Is that to say every song that never made top 5 is a flop? I sure wouldn't think so. Not all songs can hit #1 even if they are great songs. There are just too many out there and only one #1 spot, so mathematically people are expecting the impossible to try to use as a gauge of something. I'm not in love with the song, but I do think it will do pretty well. I thought it would appeal to the Kelly market, which seemed to be big. I think the video is actually better than the song itself. The video is quite catchy and well done (a few parts that are blah but mostly good). I think some of the lyrics of the song are not great, but again, the video relies on the actions and the thoughts being shown, which may override the words themselves.
As for the CD, some are still questioning the strange timing, which I agree with. But when thinking back, Breakaway (the song) was out long before the CD. Then SUBG came out before the CD as well. So maybe having 2 singles out is not really that strange in the minds of the label. They saw it work OK before. Even with as big as those 2 songs were, the CD did not come out like gangbusters, but stayed steady for a long time. What looked kind of disappointing or down to start with turned out to be huge for her. I have no doubt that RCA plans to heavily push her first few songs. Radio will play them regardless because she already has the favor of them. That's not to say she doesn't deserve the spins, but if it were someone else, it may not be getting the spins it already has. That is to her advantage, in that they will give it a lot of chances and time, to see if it catches and grows like the Breakaway CD did.
The test will be, IMO, what comes next or even next after that. If the second song is huge, this one will also get more life. Just as Thankful did when Breakaway grew. The sales of Thankful really took huge jumps to much higher scales than they had before the Breakaway CD. If the second song is not great (or good), then she might start having a bit of a problem. But no way do I see flop. Too many people will have bought the CD right away for it to really do badly. The next CD after that would be more telling. If people buy My December and are disappointed, it will show on the next one. This CD has all the momentum of Breakaway to let it slide in on the assumption they will love it. I really think any predictions are just going to have to really wait. This is the big transistion for her. My thoughts is that this CD will do pretty good, may not Breakaway numbers and stamina, but still good.
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Post by JORDAN on May 6, 2007 18:56:16 GMT -5
^^ Nice Post. I would have to admit that when i checked mediabase this morning and saw Kel's bullet, i was a little discouraged. But, with radio and TV appearences coming in the next couple of weeks, it should pop back up there, right? P.S..; Pimping Kelly in my siggy!
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Post by musicfreak72 on May 6, 2007 18:58:30 GMT -5
I wouldnt worry bout Kelly . Shes gonna do just fine . This song is a harder , edgier song than ppl are used to so it may take a little time for it to catch on .
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Post by SILENCE on May 6, 2007 19:12:35 GMT -5
great post doodle *thumbs up* deryck is that you? edited to say, Breakaway, the song, isn't what put Kelly on the map radiowise or successwise, that would be SUBG...that little diddy that everyone from Ted Leto to Timbaland loved. You don't hear Timabaland sampling Breakaway at the JT concerts now do you? LOL. I think Breakaway was a nice transition song for Kelly between albums, it spent a lot of time on the AC chart at #1 but it certainly isn't solely responsible for the radio and sales success Kelly saw with her sophmore CD.
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Post by itsaboutart on May 6, 2007 19:19:23 GMT -5
i think this song will be fine. Do i think it will b her biggest hit? no. But thats ok not every release has to be a chart topper. And u guys need to realise that the video JUST came out. And number 4 on itunes is nothing to cringe at. She will have huge opening sales of the album. This happens to pretty much every artist after a massive album - everyones disappointed that the new single isnt huge. Its happened to Alanis, its happened to Pink and it will prob happen to Mariah. I dont think we need to b too concerned. She has many more chances to score a huge radio hit.
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Post by Bluesy on May 6, 2007 19:34:33 GMT -5
What I'm not getting here is why this is being considered a flop, either now or in the future, if it doesn't hit #1 or top 5? Is that to say every song that never made top 5 is a flop? I sure wouldn't think so. Not all songs can hit #1 even if they are great songs. There are just too many out there and only one #1 spot, so mathematically people are expecting the impossible to try to use as a gauge of something. Yours is an intelligent and very fair post. At the moment, there are over 700 current songs on the Mediabase Pop/Top 40 chart. So I guess someone needs to define the terms "hit" and "flop" for me, because it seems to me that a song only out -- what? -- three weeks and sitting in #22 is doing just fine. Also, like much of the old media (including newspapers, magazines, and broadcast TV networks), radio is a shrinking medium. Here in the huge Los Angeles/Orange County market, there is only one Top 40 station. That's KISS-FM 102.7, and it heavily tilts toward the Urban genre. That leaves little room for Pop songs. The only other station that plays the newer Top 40 in this market is Star 98.7-FM. It bills itself as an "alternative" format, and it does a lot of Adult Contemporary. One example of a song currently getting heavy spins there is my Chemical Romance's 'The Black Parade'. So it seems to me the market is very limited, and songs typically make their way up the Top 40 charts slowly. Right now, of the top 20 songs on the Mediabase Top 40 chart, ONLY FOUR WERE RELEASED IN 2007. This is already mid-May, right in the middle of the second quarter of 2007, and only four songs released this year are in the top 20. Four of the top 20 were released in 2005, two years ago. Songs released last year are currently #1, #2, #3 and #4. Beyonce's 'Beautiful Liar' was released this year. It currently is #21, and it has a negative bullet of -160. So it seems to me that, if songs up to two years old are still making their way into the top 10 and top 15, it's drastically too early to label 'Never Again' a flop. Anyone who insists that it is at this very early stage in its run either: (1) doesn't understand the charts and the state of radio today, and/or (2) has an underhanded agenda.
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Post by mistuda on May 7, 2007 0:27:01 GMT -5
Hey popmusicaddict, what exactly is going on with the charts right now? Why is there such a dramatic decrease in spins from all of the songs in the top 10?? I mean Nelly and Justin and Daughtry all had 9000+ spins as well as several 7000, now the total spin numbers seem to be much lower..what gives?
Also, someone else mentioned this single being more rock compared to Breakaway, I think its the exact opposite. SUBG and BTHE were much more rock oriented then NA....which has a little techno influence to it..
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Post by Allen on May 7, 2007 3:12:03 GMT -5
Speaking of idiots, anybody who thinks this song is gonna do anything close to older Kelly songs is an idiot. The song is just BAD. It shows Kelly's writing abilities when not working with the hit makers (like Avril) Because "she's like, so whatever" is lyrical GENIUS.
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Post by realnewlight on May 7, 2007 3:24:08 GMT -5
^haha, i actually think those lyrics are pretty genius in their own way.
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Post by Allen on May 7, 2007 3:29:41 GMT -5
^haha, i actually think those lyrics are pretty genius in their own way. Lol well, to each his own, I guess.
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Post by realnewlight on May 7, 2007 4:46:49 GMT -5
I also think the best line is NA is "Does it hurt to know i'll never be there? Bet it sucks to see my face everywhere." Which is sorta along the same line of simple but real lyrics...i think sometimes those work best in songs, especially pop songs.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 7, 2007 9:45:35 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on May 7, 2007 9:51:48 GMT -5
I also think the best line is NA is "Does it hurt to know i'll never be there? Bet it sucks to see my face everywhere." Which is sorta along the same line of simple but real lyrics...i think sometimes those work best in songs, especially pop songs. It just seems so...high school to me.
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Post by OUcultjam on May 7, 2007 9:58:13 GMT -5
"hey hey you you, I don't like your girlfriend..."
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Post by Mike on May 7, 2007 10:01:09 GMT -5
Why hasn't mediabase updated today?
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Post by OUcultjam on May 7, 2007 10:06:33 GMT -5
no clue, but it's annoying...
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