Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[Bluesy]

mugshot said:

The way Kelly spoke about her writing abilities was really delusional. She acts like she can write Top 40 hits all by herself. I'm sure BOY was made into what it was by the producers.

And the only thing that derailed this song and possibly this album is Kelly's ego.

And I know I sound like a major hater, but I truly believe everything i've been saying to be true.

You believe what you will...it's your right and I, for one, wouldn't even try to talk you out of it.

But my opinion is quite different from yours. There are two kinds of people in this world -- the leaders/risk takers and the rest of us who just follow the leader and muddle through life keeping our heads ducked.

Kelly is a risk taker. More power to her. She's the one who loses if MD fails. Not you. Not me. Not the drluke's of this world. Not even RCA and Clive Davis. Kelly would be the biggest loser if this album fails. So here's to you, Kelly, for being brave and willing to take risks so we, the music-buying public can have a wider choice in music. I sure as heck would not have wanted you to just bury your instincts, go with the flow, and do that lame LinLo cover.

[mugshot]

I think the Lindsay Lohan song would have worked though

[neally]

justfloating said:

what goes around comes around and will nails you in the face, and some of you are going to have some jacked up faces pretty soon cuz its gonna be a fist that hits you.

LMAO !!! That's some good sig material ! ;)

[saoirse]

If I were Lindsay Lohan, I'd be feeling really dissed by Kelly. Kelly could have said, "They wanted me to record covers" and not named whose cover. Instead, she made it sound like LL had cooties or the clap or something. (which she well might...)

I think after this CD is released, she will have gotten that self-indulgent phase out of her system and will do a much more commercially viable CD next time.

[Repent Yourself Away]

umm not at all. She said i'm cool with lindsay and she sang it well but its been on another album. For the record LL probably does have the clap; which incidentally has nothing to do with Kelly lol.

[MOWE]

mugshot said:

The way Kelly spoke about her writing abilities was really delusional. She acts like she can write Top 40 hits all by herself. I'm sure BOY was made into what it was by the producers.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. I do think Kelly is a good songwriter. I loved 'Because Of You' when it was released and it remains my fave Kelly song to date for two reasons:

1.) the lyrics- they are so emotional and heartfelt. I feel like the song could only have come out so honest from Kelly.
2.) the video/ performances- the facial expressions and tender vocals wouldn't have seemed so sincere unless the song was written by Kelly.

I do, however, agree that I hope she starts working with other songwriters on SOME of her material in the future. She is a very talented songwriter, but it's always good to have a little variety on an album.

[kellyfan1232]

You might want to read the article again saoirse, before you judge.

And i dont see Kelly saying she can write top 40 songs. She is just writing what's in her and making it so everyone can relate to it.

[popmusicaddict]

Cool I just caught up with the Ellen and Jimmy Kimmel preformances. My fav was Jimmy Kimmel, she hit those notes great and with more control than the Ellen but she was in a much more serious mood on the Jimmy preformance and in more of a fun mood on Ellen (as it should be!). She sang with such anger on Kimmel Late Show plus probably a better studio preformance setting on Kimmel.

I guess my mom got confused about this 'different version preformance' lol, she just doesn't want to admit she doesn't know Never Again that well

Anyway, hate to beg but does anyone have a working Mediabase chart link please? I'm going through serious chart withdraws here!

Glad Simon backed Kelly too, this is becoming so controversal and empowering, GO KELLY! FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT!

[un4gitible]

Yesterday Never Again had it's second highest spin count. Weird that it's dropping in spins overall - how the heck does that work haha

I'm still hoping it turns around and gets it's second wind, as happens fairly often with songs. Not counting on it but hoping nonethless.

Dang Luke, where were you with the updates when her bullet was over 1000? We could have used you then! It's just so weird seeing you jumping on board only with the negatives where Kelly is concerned. I thought she was your friend? With friends like you, I'd say she sure doesn't need enemies

I wonder if she's already penned F.U.D.L heh

[Deleted]

NA has slipped to #5 on iTunes as FOB's latest song moves past it to #4.

[dionysus]

Mediabase
Kelly Clarkson , Never Again

Date / Spins To Date / Aud.(M)
May 16/ 22,462 / 28.423
May 15/ 21,697 / 28.816
May 14/ 20,900 / 28.987

May 13/ 20,108 / 29.164
May 12/ 19,254 / 28.964
May 11/ 18,424 / 28.985
May 10/ 17,659 / 29.072
May 9 / 16,842 / 28.956
May 8 / 15,998 / 28.666
May 7 / 15,011 / 27.982

May 6 / 14,432 / 28.010
May 5 / 13,726 / 27.630
May 4 / 12,928 / 27.062
May 3 / 12,195 / 26.610
May 2 / 11,428 / 26.347
May 1 / 10,645 / 25.753
Apr 30 / 9,876 / 25.284

Apr 29 / 9,167 / 30.018
Apr 28 / 8,418 / 28.743
Apr 27 / 7,643 / 27.950
Apr 26 / 7,004 / 27.365
Apr 25 / 6,312 / 26.934
Apr 24 / 5,625 / 26.325
Apr 23 / 4,991 / 25.702
Apr 22 / 4,387 / 25.455
Apr 21 / 3,908 / 24.634

[Focus]

Thanks so much for all the updates dicky!

[Rumors]

Looks like Kelly is getting a lot of PR about her "fight with her label." I'm not buying any of it. Anyone else think this in itself is a PR move?

Kelly's a great singer but a songwriter, you have got to be kidding me.

[Bunifa Latifah Jackson]

lol @ people upset at doctor luke at this forum and some even saying he wont work with a big act from RCA anymore LMAO

The dude is ridin' so HIGH with Avril Lavigne's SMASH recent album that he doesnt have to worry for further works or opportunities AT ALL. LMAO at this thread

[Focus]

rumors said:

Looks like Kelly is getting a lot of PR about her "fight with her label." I'm not buying any of it. Anyone else think this in itself is a PR move?

Kelly's a great singer but a songwriter, you have got to be kidding me.

No, I don't think it's a pr move.
I can't see the up side of Clive Davis trashing the new album and Kelly at the big Sony conference, or the leaked memo, or certain insiders posting all over the internet that the album sucks and has no hits on it. I think Kelly is just answering the questions honestly. I guess some people won't like the answers. oh well.

[kellyfan1232]

Hopefully Kelly will perform NA more on different TV shows, even if it's done (for the moment).

[pyrates]

I don't think it's a PR move either, there has been way too much negativity. And just look at the confusion with the release date in the U.S. The fact that we're not even sure if this is gonna be a WW release, or just release in a couple different countries. The really odd promo schedule. And if it is gonna be a WW release, there has been no intl promo at all.

The song is dying on radio. I was hoping it could make it until next week, but it doesn't look like it. Hopefully, the video keeps doing well.

[popmusicaddict]

I'm gonna smack my morning show DJ who keeps calling this a flop lol. Then they keep arguing with him on air about it...I'm really starting to wonder about all this generating more buzz lol. I'm starting to wonder if Rumors is right lol.

[pyrates]

^^ But if it is only to create buzz, shouldn't spins be going up, not down?

[mugshot]

I think all this controversy may help its first week sales

The song may not be charting well, but everyone sure as hell knows about it. Its created a lot of interest in the album IMO.

[Marv]

The fact that she mentioned both Alanis Morrisette & Pat Benatar as two women whose music she REALLY admires is wonderful.

Her material isn't in their league, but if radio isn't happy with this, then whose fault is that? The LAST thing she needs is for her next CD to be a clone of her previous two.

Look at what happened to Britney; 'OIDIA' was a note-for-note copy of 'BOMT', which essentially caused tons of folks to stop taking her seriously as an artist (if anybody ever did in the first place), and she's been tabloid fodder and totally irrelevant ever since.

If folks at her label are upset because they want more of the material which her first two CDs were jammed with as opposed to a new piece of music which shows GROWTH, PASSION & EVOLUTION as a songwriter and as an artist, then that's THEIR problem, isn't it?

[mugshot]

marv said:

Look at what happened to Britney; 'OIDIA' was a note-for-note copy of 'BOMT', which essentially caused tons of folks to stop taking her seriously as an artist (if anybody ever did in the first place), and she's been tabloid fodder and totally irrelevant ever since.

More like OIDIA helped solidify her as the biggest pop star of this generation.

BUILDING on the formula that has made you successful is the best way to run career IMO.

[OUcultjam]

Yet people laugh at how horrible the album was

[mugshot]

oucultjam said:

Yet people laugh at how horrible the album was

So? It was a success and that's really what matters in the music biz.

Had Britney made an artsy album and only sold 50% of what BOMT did...do you think she would still be around? No, she wouldn't.

This is Kelly's CAREER. If she wants to just be an artist she should go perform in a bar.

[Girls, girls, girls, girls...]

slewis said:

I would never wish bad things, but I dont wish you well. Dr. Luke

OK, that's just stupid. Dr. Luke is a human, just like you and me, and he has the right to express his own opinion WITHOUT people wishing him bad things.

ps. Dr. Luke, now that I've heard Avril's new CD, you're officially my favourite producer EVER! :)

[un4gitible]

See, now I think Kelly was really in a no win situation with this cd.

If she had come out and made a carbon copy of Breakaway, like Clive wanted her to, many of the same people here who are now saying that's what she should have done, would have been criticizing her for sticking to formula and not growing as an artist (in fact, some of them DID do EXACTLY that before they found out exactly what the cd would be like).

For some if she breaks forumla she's a fool for not sticking with what works (if it ain't broke, don't fix it) and then for some if she sticks with formula she's just in it for the benjamins and doesn't care about the music she puts out. The funniest thing is, you take the 'some' from both of the statements and it's the same people (in other words, she was gonna lose and be criticized by some no matter WHAT she did).

I think it all comes down to what's considered a success. For some, unless each album outsells the one before, that cd is a failure - which means every artist is destined for failure eventually because, lets face it, that's just not doable if you make a career of this (well, unless you start by selling 400k of your first cd, 500k of your second, 550k of your third, etc, etc and never have a SMASH cd). If you sell 6M with one of your cds and then only 3M with the next I have to disagree, mugshot, I think you would still have a great career ahead of you, no matter who you are.

I don't think Xtina, P!NK or Avril are going anywhere soon - and they each had cd's that sold 50%, or less, of the one prior to it.

Anywho, I think it's possible to be an artist AND sell enough cd's to make a very good living off of being a singer. I don't think that singers should be forced to put out music that fits into a certain type of radio friendly box or just give it up and play in a bar.

And I think we should wait and see how My December does before we have Kelly singing at bars LOL You might be surprised - I don't think at this time anyone really knows what the potential is for this cd.

[Girls, girls, girls, girls...]

marv said:

Look at what happened to Britney; 'OIDIA' was a note-for-note copy of 'BOMT', which essentially caused tons of folks to stop taking her seriously as an artist (if anybody ever did in the first place), and she's been tabloid fodder and totally irrelevant ever since.

Um, I'm A Slave 4 U? Toxic? Even haters agree that these songs were pretty brilliant... Oh, and she became tabloid fodder only after she married K-Fed and that had nothing to do with her music or Oops!.. I Did It Again in particular. Check your facts

[un4gitible]

joeletaxi0825 said:

slewis said:

I would never wish bad things, but I dont wish you well. Dr. Luke

OK, that's just stupid. Dr. Luke is a human, just like you and me, and he has the right to express his own opinion WITHOUT people wishing him bad things.

ps. Dr. Luke, now that I've heard Avril's new CD, you're officially my favourite producer EVER! :)

I think Luke is a GREAT producer also. He's had a few misses but lately, he's been on a roll (U + Ur Hand, Girlfriend).

My opinion is, and I've said this 'to his face' (In IM chats) that he's just so competitive that he just doesn't think before he talks and he lets that competitive nature skew what his true feelings are.

It's not like Kelly fans turned their backs on him as soon as Kelly didn't work with him on this cd. It started back as early as the 2nd (or 3rd, depending on if you count the song Breakaway) single from Breakaway. Kelly wanted Walk Away - the label (and Luke of course) wanted BTHE. Luke posted anywhere and everywhere that if she got her way and Walk Away was released the song would be a major flop (wouldn't even reach top 10), it would kill the cd and even that it tested horrible, in fact, the worst of all the songs on the cd (wait a minute - doesn't that sound familiar? That sounds like pretty much what he's saying about Never Again. Weird!).

It'll be interesting to see if his 'opinion' on Avril and her cd changes if she decides Girlfriend is the one and only track produced by Luke that she wants as a single.

Bottom line: I just think he's WAY to competitive and feels like his songs are competing with other songs on the same cd and of course, he's going to be biased and think that his songs are the bestest. It's human nature. But to take glee in anything negative he should hear or think about a song that isn't is and spread that 'glee' across the internet, come on, dude - that's unprofessional (and childish) to say the least. You're a record producer and a 'bigwig'. Try acting like one is all I'm saying.

And, HELLO, He worked so long and so hard badmouthing Walk Away, and Kelly's opinion in effect, is it any wonder Kelly wasn't jumping for joy at the prospect of working with him again?

[SILENCE]

Anyone who follows her career on the boards would know it, so I cannot imagine that fans as devoted as Shannon and Focus could have possibly missed or forgot about it. So I'm just scratching my head watching them denying it everywhere.

sorry I missed ALL my posts on this subject I really hate how I automatically get lumped in when people are trying to make a point. Do I think Kelly tried to distance herself from Idol? yes to a degree I do but I don't recall EVER seeing her publically say that's what she was doing. I do remember reading article after article insinuating that's what she was doing when Simon commented that she wouldn't allow her songs to be performed on the show....a fact not in evidence at the time the statement was made and later proven to be false because in fact the songs were in the process of being negotiated for clearance. Then she forget to thank Idol at the grammy's and everyone presented that as further proof even though Kelly stated she forgot and it wasn't intentional. I can pull interview after interview where Kelly has nothing but good/positive things to say about Idol...but I CAN see why she'd want to distance herself at the beginning of her career...she HAD to prove that she was more than just a reality show winner and to do that she couldn't ride the coattails of the show. She had to forge her own path and make it without the crutch of Idol... she's the ONLY winner to make it BIG who has in fact done that..... Kelly gained her most success during the period in which she didn't appear on Idol and didn't rely on Idol for promotion and that to me ENTITLES her the right to go back and benefit from the show which she HELPED put on the map.

I thought she was your friend? With friends like you, I'd say she sure doesn't need enemies

just to speculate...but perhaps Dr. Luke is one of the "weeds"(tm her favorite lyric...picked the weeds but kept the flowers) Kelly had to pick in her life.... she talks about the betrayal of someone who she considered a friend and how she had to "clean house" It seems to me, that while Dr. Luke does in fact only post the facts, he takes extreme pleasure in doing so even though without Kelly and the success of SUBG he wouldn't be the hottest producer around right now. People talk about Kelly owing a debt of gratitude to Avril and even Christina...but where is Luke's gratitude to Kelly?

Um, I'm A Slave 4 U? Toxic?

off topic....but two of the best song Britney ever did IMO!

[mugshot]

Luke didn't get upset when he heard WYG was going to be the next single for Avril.