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Post by threeonthetree on Jul 5, 2007 22:44:43 GMT -5
I disagree. Though few of her songs are generic, most of her releases arent especially the ones she released off her second CD
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Post by lst76 on Jul 5, 2007 23:37:01 GMT -5
her music is not generic. maybe some songs off her first cd are, but listen to under my skin, it's just not generic.
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Post by lst76 on Jul 5, 2007 23:38:56 GMT -5
any one got the mediabase update already?
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Post by lst76 on Jul 5, 2007 23:39:12 GMT -5
#72 on us itunes
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 5, 2007 23:41:27 GMT -5
I adored Under My Skin and can still admit the vast majority of it is generic. Well executed, poignant generic pop rock, but still generic. I do not get why people get so hysterical and upset about what does not have to be a bad description. Would formulaic suit you better? I could go with that as well if it holds less negative connotations. Her music is DEFINITELY formulaic.
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Post by MOWE on Jul 5, 2007 23:55:42 GMT -5
^^ IMO Avril's music is NOT formulaic. Her last CD is a bit immature, but Let Go and Under My Skin were both very well written and sounded very different. 'My Happy Ending,' 'Slipped Away,' and 'Nobody's Home' had some very interesting lyrics and melodies to them. And come on, 'Don't Tell Me' dealt with a subject matter that very few pop artists would touch. Most female musicians prefer to brag about their promiscuity *cough*Nelly Furtado*cough*
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Post by CammyCan on Jul 6, 2007 0:16:13 GMT -5
If we're talking first singles, Promiscuous blows Girlfriend out of the water, in originality and even songwriting. I completely agree with Love Plastic Love, Avril is a very generic and formulaic pop star, that doesn't make her bad. She's just not the most original artist there ever was.
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Post by MyLastView on Jul 6, 2007 0:39:11 GMT -5
"Promiscuous" sucks soooo bad.
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Post by circlecircledotdot on Jul 6, 2007 0:46:15 GMT -5
"Promiscuous" sucks soooo bad. But yet it was a #1 record for.... how long? ;) |
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Post by CammyCan on Jul 6, 2007 0:51:41 GMT -5
^ Exactly. And regardless of whether it was as successful as it was, if you honestly think Girlfriend is a better song, I just feel sorry for you. Anyways...back to When You're Gone.
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Post by MyLastView on Jul 6, 2007 1:20:20 GMT -5
"Girlfriend" is so much better than "Promiscuous", it's not even funny.
And I am being completely serious.
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Post by Positive Tension on Jul 6, 2007 1:47:14 GMT -5
I also prefer "Girlfriend" to "Promiscuous." I just take it for what it is- catchy, fun, and bratty.
I haven't played "When You're Gone" anywhere near as "Girlfriend." I probably would have if it was the third single, but even though the song is poised to be a hit, I think it was too soon to slow down the tempo. I still like it, but I have to be in the mood to hear the song.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 6, 2007 7:31:58 GMT -5
Sorry, Avril fans and I am one (yes i am apologogizing to myself) but she is not as original as any of you would like to believe. Because she sings in pop/rock genre which was brought BACK TO LIFE by Pink in the early 2000's for mainstream artists, they basically use the same beats from R&B (real R&B, not the crap on mainstream radio), and add guitars and call it pop/rock and fans think it is original because its something they've "never heard before". Well you may not have heard it but its already been done.
Its all been done. Avril is a good modern pop artist, but not original and her songwriting is not as good as many out there such as (you saw this coming) Pink, Winehouse, Dido, Norah Jones (LOL), etc. She is a different kind of act and with the music she does, people sometimes excuse her lyrics and claim that she is being original and blah blah blah.
Anyways, Promiscuous and Girlfriend are both genious in delivery. Promiscuous is "back and forth" and coy and Girlfriend is obnoxious, poorly written, and catchy, everything you would expect from someone screaming "hey hey you you I dont like your girlfriend". The tone is also reflected in the sound which is laid back, and cool where Girlfriend's is loud, and obnoxious, and fun. Not typically brilliant but they both are. Which one is more original? Promiscuous is because it plays on that back and forth conversation again and it is so coy in its delivery and it just leaves you breathless at the production.
Girlfriend is a copy of a 60's song. I knew it as soon as I heard it. As some of you know, I listen to a lot of music from the 60's and 70's and this sounds like a typical song for then for the "pop" genre from some boyband except with a different subject matter
Anyways, as for this song. While I think she is overrated as a writer. I dont think anyone should underate her songs as a result. She makes good pop music and without people like her there's nothing in between the people who dont write their music and the people who do.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 6, 2007 8:21:08 GMT -5
I never had the thought that Avril is original. I love her because I can relate to her music very well (particularly 'UMS' era). It's hard to be original & successful these days in mainstream. Amy Winehouse is the only one that come close to being 'original'.
Avril's lyrics are always disappointing, but still somehow you can relate to her easy words. She may be formulatic, that's her strong point for being able to write songs that suit perfectly on radio. She's a good artist and nobody can take that away.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2007 8:40:52 GMT -5
Uh, Girlfriend is basically a copy of Hey Mickey. Completely agree - forgot about that song - still, enough time has passed that most teens today haven't heard of "Hey Mickey" so TO THEM it's original - still don't think lyrics of "When You're Gone" even come close to "I'm With You" or "Complicated" - I don't think "When You're Gone" is getting a lot of requests from listeners b/c the lyrics are just too generic (although, as someone said, they are true) but they're so obviously stated - the two other songs listed above, and "Girlfriend" got tons of listener requests almost instantaneously |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2007 8:42:26 GMT -5
^^ IMO Avril's music is NOT formulaic. Her last CD is a bit immature, but Let Go and Under My Skin were both very well written and sounded very different. 'My Happy Ending,' 'Slipped Away,' and 'Nobody's Home' had some very interesting lyrics and melodies to them. And come on, 'Don't Tell Me' dealt with a subject matter that very few pop artists would touch. Yeah - wish she had songs on her CURRENT CD like the ones you're describing |
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Post by justfloating on Jul 6, 2007 8:43:00 GMT -5
O no, Amy Winehouse is far from original. Sorry, she is my tied favorite artist with Pink and she is not original. Amy Winehouse is duplicating the sound from the 60's. She has already said she is but she is so far from original. I would say she is less original than a lot of mainstream artists HOWEVER it is a sound that a lot of people in this generation are not familiar with and so it feels new to them but I assure you, its not. I am from this generation by the way. I just love 60's music.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 6, 2007 10:27:13 GMT -5
Amy isn't original, I said she's the one who comes closest to being original in today's music.
It's hard to find an original artist in Top 40 radio right now. In fact I don't think there's one.
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Post by justfloating on Jul 6, 2007 10:34:07 GMT -5
^that is not what you said lol but okay. You never said in today's music.
Anyways, originality is overrated and impossible to ascertain. Originality is dead because everything's been done. everything we hear is a spin off something else. There's not an original artist end of story. They are all dead. I mean that respectfully lol
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Post by dperkins on Jul 6, 2007 15:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by mugshot on Jul 6, 2007 15:46:07 GMT -5
The only thing that's the same is ''Hey Hey you you'' Everything else is totally different. Different melody, beat etc...Not to mention the verses are totally different too. The Ramones have a song called ''I wanna be Your Boyfriend''. Should they sue? I don't see how GF can be a ripoff of 'Hey Mickey' AND be a rip off of this song because of one line. |
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Post by dperkins on Jul 6, 2007 15:48:47 GMT -5
The only thing that's the same is ''Hey Hey you you'' Everything else is totally different. Different melody, beat etc... The Ramones have a song called ''I wanna be Your Boyfriend''. Should they sue? I don't see how GF can be a ripoff of 'Hey Mickey' AND be a rip off of this song because of one line. Its the way they say "Hey hey you you, I wanna be your boyfriend" Thats the same. Plus they didn't give credit. I was just saying its not that original. Don't get me wrong cause I love the song though. |
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Post by mugshot on Jul 6, 2007 15:50:28 GMT -5
The only thing that's the same is ''Hey Hey you you'' Everything else is totally different. Different melody, beat etc... The Ramones have a song called ''I wanna be Your Boyfriend''. Should they sue? I don't see how GF can be a ripoff of 'Hey Mickey' AND be a rip off of this song because of one line. Its the way they say "Hey hey you you, I wanna be your boyfriend" Thats the same. Plus they didn't give credit. I was just saying its not that original. Don't get me wrong cause I love the song though. That's one line! The melody, beat etc...are different. You can't take credit for one line. Its ridiculous. Avril's already had a musicologist review both songs and he said they are totally different songs. |
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Post by dperkins on Jul 6, 2007 15:51:43 GMT -5
Musicologist?? LOL! I didn't know there was such a thing.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 6, 2007 15:55:04 GMT -5
Musicologist?? LOL! I didn't know there was such a thing. lol musicology: the scholarly or scientific study of music, as in historical research, musical theory, or the physical nature of sound. dictionary.reference.com/browse/musicologist |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2007 16:00:51 GMT -5
Its the way they say "Hey hey you you, I wanna be your boyfriend" Thats the same. Plus they didn't give credit. I was just saying its not that original. Don't get me wrong cause I love the song though. That's one line! The melody, beat etc...are different. You can't take credit for one line. Its ridiculous. Avril's already had a musicologist review both songs and he said they are totally different songs. The very fact that she had someone (whatever a musicologist is) compare the two songs says she knew the songs sounded alike - no way is it plagarism (sp?), but the styles of the songs are really similar - I wouldn't be surprised if A. L. or someone writing with her had "Hey Mickey" in mind when they wrote this song - but as someone else mentioned, someone had motown in mind when they wrote "Rehab" (A. W. or whoever wrote it) Funny this thread is getting really off-topic :) |
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Post by mugshot on Jul 6, 2007 16:11:40 GMT -5
That's one line! The melody, beat etc...are different. You can't take credit for one line. Its ridiculous. Avril's already had a musicologist review both songs and he said they are totally different songs. The very fact that she had someone (whatever a musicologist is) compare the two songs says she knew the songs sounded alike - no way is it plagarism (sp?), but the styles of the songs are really similar - I wouldn't be surprised if A. L. or someone writing with her had "Hey Mickey" in mind when they wrote this song - but as someone else mentioned, someone had motown in mind when they wrote "Rehab" (A. W. or whoever wrote it) Funny this thread is getting really off-topic :) A)The person who wrote 'Hey Mickey' isn't suing, so I don't see what you are trying to say with that. We're talking about a totally different song. And hiring a musicologist to analyze both songs is just common sense when someone sues you for stealing a song. B)And you can't sue someone because a song 'reminds' you of another one. Something actually has to be stolen like a melody or lyrics. In this case the only that is the same is that one line because they both have "Hey Hey you you' in them. That is not grounds to sue someone. |
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Post by vinyl on Jul 6, 2007 16:15:52 GMT -5
Avril isn't an "original" artist, far from.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 6, 2007 16:25:32 GMT -5
The very fact that she had someone (whatever a musicologist is) compare the two songs says she knew the songs sounded alike - no way is it plagarism (sp?), but the styles of the songs are really similar - I wouldn't be surprised if A. L. or someone writing with her had "Hey Mickey" in mind when they wrote this song - but as someone else mentioned, someone had motown in mind when they wrote "Rehab" (A. W. or whoever wrote it) Funny this thread is getting really off-topic :) A)The person who wrote 'Hey Mickey' isn't suing, so I don't see what you are trying to say with that. We're talking about a totally different song. And hiring a musicologist to analyze both songs is just common sense when someone sues you for stealing a song. Uhmmm - you just majorly contradicted yourself :) |
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Post by reidster on Jul 6, 2007 18:30:27 GMT -5
w/e. Avril was original.. when she came out there was no one else like her.
and even if she isn't original.. she's more original than people like christina, brittany, pink, and kelly who just follow generic formulas. There was nothing like Girlfriend out.. and it became a hit. Songs like Breakaway and U+UR Hand were all over.. so its not like a surprise that they became hit.. they weren't/aren't original.
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