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Post by dperkins on Jul 6, 2007 19:03:36 GMT -5
w/e. Avril was original.. when she came out there was no one else like her. and even if she isn't original.. she's more original than people like christina, brittany, pink, and kelly who just follow generic formulas. There was nothing like Girlfriend out.. and it became a hit. Songs like Breakaway and U+UR Hand were all over.. so its not like a surprise that they became hit.. they weren't/aren't original. You can't say artists like P!nk and Kelly aren't original. Try This and My December are VERY original. When Avril came out, no there weren't any punk rock girls out there. The only pop rocker chick out there was P!nk. P!nk and Kelly don't always follow generic formulas. So you can't state that. |
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Post by missclarkson on Jul 6, 2007 19:09:07 GMT -5
nobody is original on top 40 radio. they follow certain formula, otherwise radio wont play them.
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Post by dperkins on Jul 6, 2007 19:10:23 GMT -5
nobody is original on top 40 radio. they follow certain formula, otherwise radio wont play them. Well no one played P!nk during Try This and no one is playing Kelly during MD cause those eras were pretty original.  I agree, no one is 100% original, but a lot of artists do have original songs out there. |
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Post by mereed3929 on Jul 6, 2007 20:49:46 GMT -5
Avril is an original because no one else delivers a song like she does. In other words, its her vocalizations that are original. When I first heard "When You're Gone" on the radio, I instantly knew it was Avril, even though I think the song sounds like a zillion others in and of itself.
She's unique because no one delivers a song quite the way she does. She's at her best when she's spunky and sassy and fun, it fits her perfectly, and is probably why this last album of hers is doing so well.
Pink is unique too, but more for her image which is more streetwise than Avril's. Avril comes across as the bad girl-next-door gone suburban-punk and its all silly fun and debatable as a genuine image, but its when you hear her sing you 'get' why she's so successful, because she's really really good! (I don't want to make this a Pink thread, but in contrast, Pink comes across as a genuine bad girl you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley, haha. However, you WOULD want to 'get the party started' with her songs! lol).
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Post by justfloating on Jul 6, 2007 20:59:50 GMT -5
everyone's vocals are original nowadays when it comes to female mainstream artists. i know its Rihanna, I know its Pink, I know its Amy, I know its Beyonce, I know its Christina, I know its Kelly, I know its Dido, I know its Mariah, etc. there are A LOT of good "original in that sense" artists right now and I think thats a good thing.
Anyways, back to the song, I think the delivery is good and she deserves a Top 10 for just a good song. Its not amazing by any means but its a song I much rather listen to than some of the crap out there. It may not be original but thats not bad and it shouldnt ruin how good the song is.
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Post by MyLastView on Jul 6, 2007 21:11:27 GMT -5
^ LMFAO at all the big artists you name...and then Dido.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 7, 2007 0:46:49 GMT -5
^ LMFAO at all the big artists you name...and then Dido. Umm Dido is massive worldwide. Avril appeared on Jo Whiley's live lounge on Radio 1 and did 'When You're Gone' and covered' The Scientist'. When You're GoneThe ScientistBeautiful, beautiful! Her vocals always shine on acoustic performances. :) |
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Post by Kid Pulse on Jul 7, 2007 0:49:51 GMT -5
If "Umbrella" could contend for a #1 spot with its lyrics, then this should (easily).
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 7, 2007 8:41:12 GMT -5
w/e. Avril was original.. when she came out there was no one else like her. I think when she first came out she was the 2000s version of Alanis Morissette, and continued to sound like Alanis until her current CD |
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 7, 2007 8:45:48 GMT -5
If "Umbrella" could contend for a #1 spot with its lyrics, then this should (easily). (Sorry to disagree with you, man) :) "Umbrella" was a completely original-sounding song, though - and a completely unique metaphor I just saw the video for "When You're Gone" this morning, and it's a complete rip-off (the video, not the song) of 3 Doors Down "When I'm Gone" - Avril's song is like a combination of the CONCEPTS of "When I'm Gone" and "Here Without You" both of which were HUGE HITS - that's why I don't think this song will be that big - I think it's early rise is due to almost every station adding it, not stations putting it in heavy rotation This still sounds like a "New Kids On The Block" song to me |
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 7, 2007 11:21:04 GMT -5
Wow I just did not see an Avril fan call 'Girlfriend' an original and said Kelly follows the generic formula lol....
Oooh the irony - that is all lol, I'll let that be - Its too comical to say anything more.
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 7, 2007 11:51:22 GMT -5
Well... maybe we must open a thread about "who is original"...
the chat about who is or not original... just Suc*ks
Let talk about how is this going on charts????
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Post by beaston on Jul 7, 2007 12:04:30 GMT -5
^ LMFAO at all the big artists you name...and then Dido. Umm Dido is massive worldwide. Avril appeared on Jo Whiley's live lounge on Radio 1 and did 'When You're Gone' and covered' The Scientist'. When You're GoneThe ScientistBeautiful, beautiful! Her vocals always shine on acoustic performances. :) Whoa she sounds really different there!! |
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 8, 2007 10:15:53 GMT -5
yep
her voice is thick...
i like it...
but she get untune...
its reasonable
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 8, 2007 11:51:15 GMT -5
When your buff
pieces of your heart are pumping too!
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Post by Felicia on Jul 8, 2007 12:14:06 GMT -5
When your buff pieces of your heart are pumping too! ROFL! 37 29 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 1702 1115 587 8.728 Top 30!  |
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jul 8, 2007 12:33:56 GMT -5
When your buff pieces of your heart are pumping too! ROFL! 37 29 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 1702 1115 587 8.728 Top 30! Yay Top 30! The more this gets to the top the more my friends will get it when I say that to them lol, they haven't heard the song yet so they will get it when they do. (Yah I'm weird...) |
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Post by darkcloud on Jul 8, 2007 13:24:53 GMT -5
When your buff pieces of your heart are pumping too! ROFL! 37 29 AVRIL LAVIGNE When You're Gone 1702 1115 587 8.728 Top 30!  |
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Post by MinusName on Jul 8, 2007 13:28:37 GMT -5
I regret jumping on this song too soon. I'm already tired of it and that has never happened with me and an Avril Lavigne song. It's definitely not her best song afterall...at least not in my book.
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Post by masterpiece on Jul 8, 2007 13:30:37 GMT -5
w/e. Avril was original.. when she came out there was no one else like her. and even if she isn't original.. she's more original than people like christina, brittany, pink, and kelly who just follow generic formulas. There was nothing like Girlfriend out.. and it became a hit. Songs like Breakaway and U+UR Hand were all over.. so its not like a surprise that they became hit.. they weren't/aren't original. who's brittany? |
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Post by sterock85 on Jul 8, 2007 14:09:35 GMT -5
When You're Gone is No.3 on the UK charts!!
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Post by atlantaboy on Jul 8, 2007 15:48:15 GMT -5
I regret jumping on this song too soon. I'm already tired of it and that has never happened with me and an Avril Lavigne song. It's definitely not her best song afterall...at least not in my book. The best part of the song IMO is the piano intro and ending - the lyrics on the bridge get ridiculously like NKOTB - can't Avril say she needs him and misses him in more poetic ways? She's done it in the past I think Evan and Jaron's "The Distance" expresses this same emotion so much better |
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Post by Felicia on Jul 8, 2007 17:54:07 GMT -5
When You're Gone is No.3 on the UK charts!! Awesome! That's her 7th UK Top 10 I believe. |
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Post by RomanStopIt on Jul 8, 2007 18:04:10 GMT -5
actually the part i like about the song is when she says
"When you walk away, i count the steps that you take"
my favourite line
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Post by vinyl on Jul 8, 2007 19:51:02 GMT -5
When You're Gone is No.3 on the UK charts!! Woo, that's amazing! actually the part i like about the song is when she says "When you walk away, i count the steps that you take" my favourite line Mine too. |
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Post by polly on Jul 8, 2007 21:29:23 GMT -5
To the deluded Avril fans, Mizzundastood was released at the very beginning of 02... with pop/rock numbers like Just Like A Pill, Don't Let Me Get Me and the teen angst Family Portrait. Let Go was released well after Mizz so if you want to talk about imitators, lets talk Avril.
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Post by mugshot on Jul 8, 2007 21:37:55 GMT -5
To the deluded Avril fans, Mizzundastood was released at the very beginning of 02... with pop/rock numbers like Just Like A Pill, Don't Let Me Get Me and the teen angst Family Portrait. Let Go was released well after Mizz so if you want to talk about imitators, lets talk Avril. A) 'Let Go' sounds NOTHING like Misunderstood. B) I should report you for the name calling! |
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Post by Felicia on Jul 9, 2007 7:09:51 GMT -5
To the deluded Avril fans, Mizzundastood was released at the very beginning of 02... with pop/rock numbers like Just Like A Pill, Don't Let Me Get Me and the teen angst Family Portrait. Let Go was released well after Mizz so if you want to talk about imitators, lets talk Avril. Ridiculous! You're obviously letting your emotions riding over your thoughts. |
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Post by justfloating on Jul 9, 2007 7:17:11 GMT -5
Why? because it's true. Kelly and avril jacked her style. it never would have worked had Pink not re-opened that door to mainstream.
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Post by Felicia on Jul 9, 2007 7:28:12 GMT -5
Michelle Branch came out in 2001 so I can argue too that she opened up the pop/rock route for pop radio?
So all of a sudden Pink fans are claming the credits and Avril & Kelly are copying her? Pop/rock has already existed long before Pink changed her style. Rock bands having a pop sound are common before Pink came out. Remember 'Here Without You' & 'Hanging By A Moment', or those numerous hits Matchbox 20 spawned?
It's not like pop/rock was dead until Pink brought it back. It's always there.
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