missclarkson
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Post by missclarkson on Aug 10, 2007 12:02:20 GMT -5
^ Totally agree. "I Will Be" and "Alone" are two of my favorites from her this era, and they arent even on the album. I can't believe they left them off, seeing as they're pretty obvious hits, and "I Will Be" blows "When You're Gone" and "Innocence" out of the water. I think 'I will Be' was going to be on the album but they replaced it with KHO, because it had moderate success on radio. At least that's what I think. And Avril said 'Alone' wasn't included because it didn't 'fit' with the rest of the album. f**k that! Put the hit on the album. That's way more important then the cohesiveness of the album.woah, i really dont know what to say to this. are u clive davis?
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Post by justfloating on Aug 10, 2007 12:07:51 GMT -5
i thought she was being sarcastic? lol seriously, maybe she was being. i hope so otherwise, what a shallow thing to say
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Post by darkcloud on Aug 10, 2007 12:53:13 GMT -5
its now 8# WW... its going good on the world... ...
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Post by mugshot on Aug 10, 2007 19:15:50 GMT -5
I think 'I will Be' was going to be on the album but they replaced it with KHO, because it had moderate success on radio. At least that's what I think. And Avril said 'Alone' wasn't included because it didn't 'fit' with the rest of the album. f**k that! Put the hit on the album. That's way more important then the cohesiveness of the album.woah, i really dont know what to say to this. are u clive davis? That's a compliment. Clive is an icon and one the best at what he does. And what I said was shallow but its what best for her career!
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Post by Felicia on Aug 12, 2007 0:30:43 GMT -5
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The fourth single (it's still early, i know!) is rumored to be 'Runaway'. If it's true, then I'm extremely happy with the single choices this era. :)
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Post by popmusicaddict on Aug 12, 2007 1:23:57 GMT -5
Hmm lol. I guess I won't ever get offended by anything mugshot says in the Kelly threads if she says THAT in the Avril one. Jez lol, let Avril have SOME artistic integrity (what she's known for btw) - I think we've got enough people complaining that this album and/or lead single was a sellout, she didn't need more with only having Max Martin & Dr. Luke songs and scrapping the non-big producer songs.
WYG did/is doing its thing. Honestly I didn't even expect it to get this far, only wish it did after Girlfriend....
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 12, 2007 17:36:52 GMT -5
Seriously pop music? I thought you were one of the champions of this song (When it first leaked people were screaming that it would be the ballad of her career, #1 hit, make the cd sell millions upon millions, etc...) I thought it would do better than what its doing now, but I definitely never saw the hype that some fans put behind it. I figured it would be a mid sized 4-6 peaker hit.
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Post by mugshot on Aug 12, 2007 18:02:29 GMT -5
I always knew it would peak top 20 or top 15. That's why I wasn't happy it was chosen as the second single.
I think 'Hot' and 'Runaway' have a lot more potential and should have come before WYG.
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Post by Sticky&Sweetβ’ on Aug 12, 2007 19:11:53 GMT -5
Since Hot is the 3rd single, she should release Runaway and I Don't Have To Try afterwards.
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Post by Bunifa Latifah Jackson on Aug 12, 2007 19:37:11 GMT -5
I love Runaway aswell and it was for a while my favorite contender to be single no3. However I saw her doing it live and I changed my mind cause she SUCKS performing 'Runaway' live She kills it doing HOT though, her voice is divine on it while she does it live. Killer!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 12, 2007 20:31:54 GMT -5
Hot is my favorite off the album.
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Post by vinyl on Aug 12, 2007 20:38:06 GMT -5
Hot is my favorite off the album. Mine tooo.
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Post by lyrichord on Aug 12, 2007 21:14:29 GMT -5
I never really understood why RCA thought this would be a hit in the US during the summer. It's not really Avril's best work. Europe always eats up ballads from big female artists, but US, eh. "Runaway" and "Hot" are better singles, and "Innocence" is a superior ballad.
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Post by Felicia on Aug 12, 2007 22:51:23 GMT -5
I love this song and it's one of my favorites from Avril. I'm one of them who thought this could do wonders for Av so I'm not sure why radio ain't embracing this hahah. Maybe it's the juvenile lyrics like some of you had brought up, but since when did lyrics had stopped songs from reaching the No. 1 spot? I think the label released this at the wrong time. Or the first single uptempo-second single ballad formula just doesn't work well.
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Post by mugshot on Aug 12, 2007 22:54:28 GMT -5
Hot is my favorite off the album. Mine tooo. Me too. 'Runaway' is up there too.
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Post by Chris Ng on Aug 12, 2007 23:53:17 GMT -5
I never really understood why RCA thought this would be a hit in the US during the summer. It's not really Avril's best work. Europe always eats up ballads from big female artists, but US, eh. "Runaway" and "Hot" are better singles, and "Innocence" is a superior ballad. I think RCA knew. WYG obviously don't have a lot of the promotion in anywhere but Europe. I think they release it for European market and it kinda help her sales there ! Yup, it's doing quite well in Europe and i think it's better choice than Hot and Runaway in Europe My fav song in this LP is Runaway. And i think it can be her 3rd single cause Hot hasn't hat 100% confirmed yet while there is a rumour about Runaway's video !
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Post by mistuda on Aug 13, 2007 2:03:49 GMT -5
I hope its hot b/c I think that is her best song off the album, but does any1 else get the feeling that her recent antics could mess up her image and lower album sales?
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Post by Felicia on Aug 13, 2007 2:32:37 GMT -5
I hope its hot b/c I think that is her best song off the album, but does any1 else get the feeling that her recent antics could mess up her image and lower album sales? You mean the lawsuit? She handled the situation very well and we saw many people jumped into her defense. She's set to go on court at end of this month so we'll see what happens. I don't think there's a huge damage to her image. 'When You're Gone', despite underperforming in the states, is actually doing well worldwide.
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Post by mugshot on Aug 13, 2007 3:35:49 GMT -5
I hope its hot b/c I think that is her best song off the album, but does any1 else get the feeling that her recent antics could mess up her image and lower album sales? No. The bad press over the lawsuit is already over and didn't hurt her sales at all.
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Post by justfloating on Aug 13, 2007 6:01:56 GMT -5
^How do you know? Sales have been going down each week lol How can you say its not because of the lawsuit. And it wouldnt really affect her globally but more in the US. But in my performing its not underperforming, its overperforming for what it is.
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Post by bubblepop15 on Aug 13, 2007 6:56:13 GMT -5
I hate this song now.
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Post by Sticky&Sweetβ’ on Aug 13, 2007 6:58:55 GMT -5
^How do you know? Sales have been going down each week lol How can you say its not because of the lawsuit. And it wouldnt really affect her globally but more in the US. But in my performing its not underperforming, its overperforming for what it is. That's usually what sales do, go down each week... She doesn't have a major hit song right now. She hasn't done much promotion lately. Sales are going down for the normal reasons. It's not because of the lawsuit- nobody really cares about that. You aren't going to hear someone say "Oh snaps, she copied lyrics for a song, I'm not going to buy her album!!". If someone likes something, they like it regardless of something so stupid.
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Post by vinyl on Aug 13, 2007 9:34:53 GMT -5
^How do you know? Sales have been going down each week lol How can you say its not because of the lawsuit. And it wouldnt really affect her globally but more in the US. But in my performing its not underperforming, its overperforming for what it is. Well sales are going down in the US because she doesn't have a hit single. Worldwide, sales are more consistent (she's #9 this week, was #9 last week and #10 the week before that).
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Post by Chris Ng on Aug 13, 2007 10:57:54 GMT -5
I think somebody do care about the lawsuit. But it's not the main reason. And The Best Damn Thing hold pretty well in Europe
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Post by mugshot on Aug 13, 2007 11:16:18 GMT -5
^How do you know? Sales have been going down each week lol How can you say its not because of the lawsuit. And it wouldnt really affect her globally but more in the US. But in my performing its not underperforming, its overperforming for what it is. Because her week to week sales decreases have been pretty small. We haven't seen any massive drops like you would after some career damaging press. Week to week its been like 1%-5% decreases. And he WW sales have been holding very strong. There's just no reason to think the lawsuit hurt her.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 13, 2007 18:41:50 GMT -5
The type of people her CD caters to would generally not care about the lawsuit or whether or not she stole/copied/borrowed without permission, lyrics or music.
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Post by missclarkson on Aug 13, 2007 20:00:23 GMT -5
avril is a punk/pop princess, nobody cares if her song isnt original, as long as it's fun and catchy, she'll keep on selling millions
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Post by popmusicaddict on Aug 13, 2007 21:17:21 GMT -5
Seriously pop music? I thought you were one of the champions of this song (When it first leaked people were screaming that it would be the ballad of her career, #1 hit, make the cd sell millions upon millions, etc...) I thought it would do better than what its doing now, but I definitely never saw the hype that some fans put behind it. I figured it would be a mid sized 4-6 peaker hit. Nah hun, I won't lie to you. As clear black and white evidence I did and do like the song alot - however everyone was on Avril hype back when this was announced. If you compare my post to the others you'd see my predictions and hopes were mediocre aside from my props for her releasing it. Infact I was the first to call it rather whiney (with a swift retort, but I notice MORE saying that lately ;) ). By the time it actually went for adds and actually hit my station I changed tune and doubted it going top 10 (along with Pink's song, wow was I ever wrong for doubting that one!). So I wouldn't lie to ya ;) It *Still* can make top 10 though and I *still* wish it would. :) When your buff....
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Post by Chris Ng on Aug 13, 2007 23:48:30 GMT -5
Ok, i knew it would flop on US itunes since I couldn't understand RCA's promotion :o. But it's still doing pretty well overall. I mean in America
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Post by Felicia on Aug 15, 2007 10:51:31 GMT -5
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Tough fight for No. 10.
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