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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:26:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who finds it strange that you would promote a song after it goes to #1?
It only got to #1 b/c of fanbase
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:33:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who finds it strange that you would promote a song after it goes to #1? It only got to #1 b/c of fanbase ??? ??? ??? |
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Post by Mike on Feb 8, 2009 17:34:27 GMT -5
They're going to promote it now to make sure it has longevity of the charts and to help drive sales of the album.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:34:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who finds it strange that you would promote a song after it goes to #1? It only got to #1 b/c of fanbase ??? ??? ??? ;) ;) ;) Truthiness |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:35:14 GMT -5
They're going to promote it now to make sure it has longevity of the charts and to help drive sales of the album. it might, but that doesn't change what i said. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:36:08 GMT -5
LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better. |
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Post by spicemuncher on Feb 8, 2009 17:36:10 GMT -5
Hrm... Not loving that performance clip. Sounds like they dropped the key a bit? Hopefully by the time they start promoting she'll be a little more comfortable with the song. Sounds like that to me as well. I always think that Dr. Luke tracks work best with a backing tape instead of an actual band playing. There's just too much stuff going on and SO much effects on something as simple as drums that it sounds really different and off when a live band plays it if you're used to the studio recording. Good examples of this would be Pink's Who Knew and So What. So What on the Today Show was disastrous. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 8, 2009 17:37:09 GMT -5
I guess we can go ahead and try to discredit every song that went to #1 unrepressed. People will stop at nothing to try and discredit a song they don't like.  It's really funny to watch actually. This song was number one two weeks because it's a good song. The sales and call out scores prove that. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:39:40 GMT -5
I guess we can go ahead and try to discredit every song that went to #1 unrepressed. People will stop at nothing to try and discredit a song they don't like. It's really funny to watch actually. This song was number one two weeks because it's a good song. The sales and call out scores prove that. I had never heard of that song until it went to #1, and you're right it wasn't unrepressed, it was drive to #1 by fanbases, just like Womanizer was, not to say I don't like it, it's decent, but by no means does having 250,000 fans with iTunes cards in hand make your song the most popular song in the US.  Does that mean that it won't eventually deserve to go to #1, no, I see that it's going to go top 10 on H100Airplay this week, but it didn't deserve to go to #1 when it did. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:40:22 GMT -5
Kelly got it fair and square. No repression, stunts, or TV appearances.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:41:18 GMT -5
Kelly got it fair and square. No repression, stunts, or TV appearances. This is nothing against Kelly, she's fine, but any idiot can tell you that her fanbase is the ONLY reason it got to #1 |
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Post by spicemuncher on Feb 8, 2009 17:42:01 GMT -5
LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better. I agree. Some of it is her fanbase, but also a good portion are people who were really anticipating this release. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:42:13 GMT -5
LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 8, 2009 17:43:08 GMT -5
Every song that got to #1, deserved to be there. I don't see why everyone can't grasp that. This whole "it didn't deserve" thing is all up to personal opinion, aka means nothing.
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Post by otternobetter87 on Feb 8, 2009 17:43:19 GMT -5
I guess we can go ahead and try to discredit every song that went to #1 unrepressed. People will stop at nothing to try and discredit a song they don't like. It's really funny to watch actually. This song was number one two weeks because it's a good song. The sales and call out scores prove that. I had never heard of that song until it went to #1, and you're right it wasn't unrepressed, it was drive to #1 by fanbases, just like Womanizer was, not to say I don't like it, it's decent, but by no means does having 250,000 fans with iTunes cards in hand make your song the most popular song in the US. Does that mean that it won't eventually deserve to go to #1, no, I see that it's going to go top 10 on H100Airplay this week, but it didn't deserve to go to #1 when it did. umm ya.. it kind of does..  |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:44:28 GMT -5
LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better.well Never Again did debut at #8 |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:45:19 GMT -5
That was its peak.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:48:59 GMT -5
Every song that got to #1, deserved to be there. I don't see why everyone can't grasp that. This whole "it didn't deserve" thing is all up to personal opinion, aka means nothing. I'm just speaking for the public in general, and I stay on here quite often, and keep tabs with Billboard, but I can honestly say I didn't even know Kelly had a new album until I read millions of articles about how her song was going to #1 on here, and soonafter saw it at #1 on iTunes, and it appeared at #1, but heard it on the radio for the first time after it went to #1, but then again the Hot 100 is an industry chart. It didn't hit #1 on the POP 100 or the Mainstream Top 40 which are geared more for reflecting the public's taste. So, no it's not a personal opinion it's a fact. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:49:47 GMT -5
It was all sales, that's why MLWSWY is probably going to hang around in the top 10 for no more than 8 more weeks, and start sliding off. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:50:25 GMT -5
I had never heard of that song until it went to #1, and you're right it wasn't unrepressed, it was drive to #1 by fanbases, just like Womanizer was, not to say I don't like it, it's decent, but by no means does having 250,000 fans with iTunes cards in hand make your song the most popular song in the US. Does that mean that it won't eventually deserve to go to #1, no, I see that it's going to go top 10 on H100Airplay this week, but it didn't deserve to go to #1 when it did. umm ya.. it kind of does.. wrong, it means you have 250,000 fans who assembled to get you to #1 |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:51:13 GMT -5
LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better. I agree. Some of it is her fanbase, but also a good portion are people who were really anticipating this release. True, the second week at #1, AI played teasers for the video during commercials |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:51:49 GMT -5
It was all sales, that's why You said its debut was #8. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 17:55:27 GMT -5
It was all sales, that's why You said its debut was #8. people downloaded it in droves the week of release, where it consequently debut/peaked at #8, i put little stock in songs that debut high, they usually peak at or around that position and fall off quickly |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 8, 2009 17:56:20 GMT -5
Every song that got to #1, deserved to be there. I don't see why everyone can't grasp that. This whole "it didn't deserve" thing is all up to personal opinion, aka means nothing. I'm just speaking for the public in general, Perhaps it would be better to just speak for yourself in general. I don't think anyone knows how the each person of the general public feels about a particular song. I don't even feel the need to discuss this any further as your argument holds no weight. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 17:58:12 GMT -5
Whoops. I thought it debuted lower on the Hot 100 than that. nvm.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 18:01:19 GMT -5
I'm just speaking for the public in general, Perhaps it would be better to just speak for yourself in general. I don't think anyone knows how the each person of the general public feels about a particular song. I don't even feel the need to discuss this any further as your argument holds no weight. I announced to a room of 20 people that Kelly Clarkson had the #1 song in the US, one person knew what song it was, and that she had even released a single. My argument holds much more weight than yours as I can discuss this matter in an unbiased manner. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 8, 2009 18:17:12 GMT -5
Perhaps it would be better to just speak for yourself in general. I don't think anyone knows how the each person of the general public feels about a particular song. I don't even feel the need to discuss this any further as your argument holds no weight. I announced to a room of 20 people that Kelly Clarkson had the #1 song in the US, one person knew what song it was, and that she had even released a single. Oh, of course, I forgot that the general population consists of the 20 people in that room. Just because I like Kelly and have her featured in my avatar and sig does not mean that I can't be unbiased, first of all. Every song that made it to #1 on the Hot 100 deserved to be there, otherwise they wouldn't have been there. One may not like the fact that the song went to #1, but that is completely irrelevant. Second of all being unbiased or biased still doesn't give your argument any weight. The whole "well I told 20 people MLWSWY was #1 and not one knew what the song was" is a really bad argument. That would be like a song selling two million copies and someone saying it flopped because no one they knew purchased it. Not a really good argument, at all. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 18:26:52 GMT -5
I announced to a room of 20 people that Kelly Clarkson had the #1 song in the US, one person knew what song it was, and that she had even released a single. Oh, of course, I forgot that the general population consists of the 20 people in that room. Just because I like Kelly and have her featured in my avatar and sig does not mean that I can't be unbiased, first of all. Every song that made it to #1 on the Hot 100 deserved to be there, otherwise they wouldn't have been there. One may not like the fact that the song went to #1, but that is completely irrelevant. Second of all being unbiased or biased still doesn't give your argument any weight. The whole "well I told 20 people MLWSWY was #1 and not one knew what the song was" is a really bad argument. That would be like a song selling two million copies and someone saying it flopped because no one they knew purchased it. Not a really good argument, at all. By including the tidbit of asking 20 other people about the song, I thought I would humor you and include the views of someone other than myself. If you would read my response again, I said that one person knew that Kelly Clarkson was #1, and knew what song it was/that she released a single recently, and if you would also take the time to read every post I've made in this thread I said that MLWSWY didn't deserve to go to #1 when it did, it's making good gains in airplay, and may fully deserve to be #1 in the coming weeks. A simillar situation is transpiring as we speak, Crack a Bottle, another song I've never heard of that's #1 on iTunes outselling Kelly 2:1, that's another fanbase driving a song to #1 the week of release. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 18:30:25 GMT -5
So fanbases drive everything to the top then.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 18:33:42 GMT -5
So fanbases drive everything to the top then. Did I ever say that? No. But they sure as hell speak louder than what's actually popular. Is that to say that they influence every #1, no, but with the advent of iTunes, and the ability to energize fanbases to download songs in seconds through message boards, aka the internet, their influence is undeniable. |
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