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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 18:40:31 GMT -5
Hrm... Not loving that performance clip. Sounds like they dropped the key a bit? Hopefully by the time they start promoting she'll be a little more comfortable with the song. Differences of opinion are what make the world go round, but I liked the clip. It's not an HQ clip, so I make allowances for that. Even so, Kelly's voice fills up that big room spectacularly. |
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 18:59:00 GMT -5
I'm just speaking for the public in general...It didn't hit #1 on the POP 100 or the Mainstream Top 40 which are geared more for reflecting the public's taste. So, no it's not a personal opinion it's a fact. Man, are you full of yourself, or what. I'm a member of "the public in general," but you most certainly DO NOT speak for me. You speak for yourself, and only yourself. As for this not hitting #1 on Pop 100 or Mainstream Top 40, MLWS made it to #9 on both Mainstream Top 40 and Hot AC in less than four weeks. It is definitely heading into the top 5 on both charts, and has an excellent shot at peaking no less than #3 on Top 40. MLWS is one of only two 2009 songs in the Top 40 right now. All the others have been out for awhile and have had their chance to build an audience. All are from albums that have been out awhile, months in most cases. As I noted, MLWS hasn't even been out four full weeks yet, and it's the first single off an album that won't be released for another month. Since you claim you haven't known about MLWS until it went to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, let me be among the first to inform you that this song is a total SMASH. We won't know what the latest sales figures are until next week, but it already sold closed to 500,000 domestically in three weeks, plus another 250,000+ overseas. So the next time you come around baiting Kelly fans, it would behoove you to have your facts straight. |
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 19:07:16 GMT -5
I announced to a room of 20 people that Kelly Clarkson had the #1 song in the US, one person knew what song it was, and that she had even released a single. My argument holds much more weight than yours as I can discuss this matter in an unbiased manner. I have no doubt I could round up 20, 50, 100 people who pay zero attention to the news, so are clueless that Obama is now POTUS. I suppose in your world that means he doesn't "deserve" to be POTUS. You might want to take that issue up with the Secret Service. Just sayin... Oh, as far as being unbiased, I happen to be a Kelly fan who was very hard on MD and the songs from it -- consistently so right from the beginning. Any regular on the Pulse Kelly threads can confirm this for you. I'm sure even the thread's mod can. So when I say MLWS is a terrific modern pop/rockish song, it's not because I'm Kelly's fan. It's because I believe it to be the truth. |
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 19:13:10 GMT -5
So fanbases drive everything to the top then. Did I ever say that? No. But they sure as hell speak louder than what's actually popular. Is that to say that they influence every #1, no, but with the advent of iTunes, and the ability to energize fanbases to download songs in seconds through message boards, aka the internet, their influence is undeniable. Yo. Genius. Fanbases are members of the "general public," too. Without the support of a fanbase, no sports team, athlete, politician, performing artist, play, TV show, movie, nor many other fields of human endeavor would exist in a world wider than someone's home, local park or dinner theater. |
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Post by ba19 on Feb 8, 2009 19:20:46 GMT -5
4 posts in a row music4aw, tsk tsk, haha jk
this thread is getting ridiculously annoying now. Laughing at the post about it not hitting the top of the pop 100 or mainstream top 40...yeah because pop songs do that in 3 weeks... ?
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 8, 2009 19:36:02 GMT -5
Lol that h4ter is funny
This single couldn't have done any better up to this point.
Yes she has the number 1 single in the country although it might not be the most popular song in america. But Kelly isn't the one to blame, it's the flaw of hot 100 system. They have made some changes to make the chart better n more relevant, and under the current system, Kelly came out on top! She got there fair n square, she also didn't 'cheat' her way with repressing her download.
About her not being no 1 on top 40, what do u expect? It's not even been a month, and it's at no 9 already. Give it 5 weeks, it'll get there
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Post by dan66 on Feb 8, 2009 19:52:18 GMT -5
I recently went to lunch with a bunch of co-workers and asked what they thought of "Gives You Hell" by All-American Rejects (since I'm really into this song) and not one person had heard of the song (at least by name). This song is currently #7 on Mediabase.
Your argument could apply to a bunch of songs on the charts.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 20:33:28 GMT -5
4 posts in a row music4aw, tsk tsk, haha jk this thread is getting ridiculously annoying now. Laughing at the post about it not hitting the top of the pop 100 or mainstream top 40...yeah because pop songs do that in 3 weeks... ? you just won my argument for me, thanks Songs aren't supposed to be the most popular songs in the US within 3 weeks. |
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Post by rfucom on Feb 8, 2009 20:55:42 GMT -5
Kelly will go down a bit on hot 100 to give way for Emienm,50cent and Dre. dre.
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 20:56:36 GMT -5
4 posts in a row music4aw, tsk tsk, haha jk this thread is getting ridiculously annoying now. Laughing at the post about it not hitting the top of the pop 100 or mainstream top 40...yeah because pop songs do that in 3 weeks... ? you just won my argument for me, thanks Songs aren't supposed to be the most popular songs in the US within 3 weeks. Riiight.  |
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Post by repentyourself on Feb 8, 2009 21:01:06 GMT -5
oy. people here piss me off.
NLP, go back to your corner.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:04:36 GMT -5
Differences of opinion are what make the world go round. Just reminding you of quote you made earlier. And i also urge you to read this entire post, something you have neglected to do to my previous ones. I have no doubt I could round up 20, 50, 100 people who pay zero attention to the news, so are clueless that Obama is now POTUS. I suppose in your world that means he doesn't "deserve" to be POTUS. You might want to take that issue up with the Secret Service. Just sayin... Oh, as far as being unbiased, I happen to be a Kelly fan who was very hard on MD and the songs from it -- consistently so right from the beginning. Any regular on the Pulse Kelly threads can confirm this for you. I'm sure even the thread's mod can. So when I say MLWS is a terrific modern pop/rockish song, it's not because I'm Kelly's fan. It's because I believe it to be the truth. Obama isn't the most popular person in the US, he's the president, and was freely elected by the people, (by a landslide) comparing him to a song's chart position is amateurish. I am not disputing the quality of this song, I'm disputing the popularity, I have stated previously as you can read below, that in next few weeks, Kelly may likely deserve, with deserve being the key word, go to #1 Does that mean that it won't eventually deserve to go to #1, no, I see that it's going to go top 10 on H100Airplay this week, but it didn't deserve to go to #1 when it did. Man, are you full of yourself, or what. I'm a member of "the public in general," but you most certainly DO NOT speak for me. You speak for yourself, and only yourself. As for this not hitting #1 on Pop 100 or Mainstream Top 40, MLWS made it to #9 on both Mainstream Top 40 and Hot AC in less than four weeks. It is definitely heading into the top 5 on both charts, and has an excellent shot at peaking no less than #3 on Top 40. MLWS is one of only two 2009 songs in the Top 40 right now. All the others have been out for awhile and have had their chance to build an audience. All are from albums that have been out awhile, months in most cases. As I noted, MLWS hasn't even been out four full weeks yet, and it's the first single off an album that won't be released for another month. Since you claim you haven't known about MLWS until it went to #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, let me be among the first to inform you that this song is a total SMASH. We won't know what the latest sales figures are until next week, but it already sold closed to 500,000 domestically in three weeks, plus another 250,000+ overseas. So the next time you come around baiting Kelly fans, it would behoove you to have your facts straight. I may not speak for you, but i can assure you that I speak for several million who had never heard of this song when it went to #1 And as I stated previously, I'm not doubting that it will do well, but WILL is the key word, not has or is. I never debated about the number of songs released in 2009 in the top 40, although there are more than 2, there are in fact 8 www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=hCdSJPLQFNZTVR44h52yPg3KDnfCsNHy8zJp4Sny5GjhsVwg3y3C!2018422183&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles just in case you want proof ^ The chart dated 14 Feb 2009, the new year began 7 weeks ago. #1 MLWSWY - Kelly Clarkson 3 weeks #15 Prom Queen - Lil Wayne 1 week #21 Diva - Beyonce 7 weeks #23 Poker Face - Lady GaGa 7 weeks #24 Turnin Me On - Keri Hilson 7 weeks #32 Kiss Me Thru the Phone - Soulja Boy Tell 'Em feat. Sammie 6 weeks #35 Thinking of You - Katy Perry 3 weeks #37 Blame It - Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain 3 weeks wrong once again If I didn't know it existed until it went to #1, that would give me oh, 3 weeks to know that it did, and I do, and you are not the first to inform me of that it is "Smash" And sales are fine, whatever, but that represents mostly lambs And I have all of my facts straight and presented, I would suggest that you get yours straight  Yo. Genius. Fanbases are members of the "general public," too. Without the support of a fanbase, no sports team, athlete, politician, performing artist, play, TV show, movie, nor many other fields of human endeavor would exist in a world wider than someone's home, local park or dinner theater. They represent the obsessive sector of the public, but thankfully their effects are short lived. ultra liberals and ultra conservatives don't effectively represent the general public, yet they lobby congress and get bills passed that effect us all, more so than regular joes like us, but according to you, people who represent the extreme sides of things should dictate the public's tastes. and they do. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:05:06 GMT -5
oy. people here piss me off. NLP, go back to your corner. 22<944 it obviously isn't my first time at the rodeo, go back to the kiddie table |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:05:36 GMT -5
you just won my argument for me, thanks Songs aren't supposed to be the most popular songs in the US within 3 weeks. Riiight. I am right, thanks for acknowledging it, there's hope for you yet! :) |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:06:47 GMT -5
I recently went to lunch with a bunch of co-workers and asked what they thought of "Gives You Hell" by All-American Rejects (since I'm really into this song) and not one person had heard of the song (at least by name). This song is currently #7 on Mediabase. Your argument could apply to a bunch of songs on the charts. That's a fair statement |
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Post by Monroe on Feb 8, 2009 21:09:23 GMT -5
you just won my argument for me, thanks Songs aren't supposed to be the most popular songs in the US within 3 weeks. There is no specific time period for popularity. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:10:36 GMT -5
you just won my argument for me, thanks Songs aren't supposed to be the most popular songs in the US within 3 weeks. There is no specific time period for popularity. Yes, but can a song permeate through the American public long enough to be considered the most popular song in the US, in 21 days? |
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Post by repentyourself on Feb 8, 2009 21:17:54 GMT -5
oy. people here piss me off. NLP, go back to your corner. 22<944 it obviously isn't my first time at the rodeo, go back to the kiddie table LMFAO. post counts? you are pathetic. sorry that you've over posted and gotten almost 1000 posts in 4 months and i am usually a lurker on this board and have been for years now. and LOL at you being 18 and acting like some chart veteran. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:20:19 GMT -5
22<944 it obviously isn't my first time at the rodeo, go back to the kiddie table LMFAO. post counts? you are pathetic. sorry that you've over posted and gotten almost 1000 posts in 4 months and i am usually a lurker on this board and have been for years now. and LOL at you being 18 and acting like some chart veteran. I've been chart watching since I was 15, that gives me an inkling of experience. The fact that I have almost 1000 posts, in 5 months as September and February are 5 months apart. Telling me to go in a corner makes you look so mature doesn't it? |
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Post by Monroe on Feb 8, 2009 21:21:50 GMT -5
There is no specific time period for popularity. Yes, but can a song permeate through the American public long enough to be considered the most popular song in the US, in 21 days? I don't think it's supposed to work like that. Ultimately they just use a point system that favors downloads over airplay. So I guess you are in a way right, the number one song isn't necessarily the song that is most known about or most buzzed about during a certain week. It's the song that is purchased or played the most during a certain week. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:24:31 GMT -5
Yes, but can a song permeate through the American public long enough to be considered the most popular song in the US, in 21 days? I don't think it's supposed to work like that. Ultimately they just use a point system that favors downloads over airplay. So I guess you are in a way right, the number one song isn't necessarily the song that is most known about or most buzzed about during a certain week. It's the song that is purchased or played the most during a certain week. exactly!  |
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Post by repentyourself on Feb 8, 2009 21:29:07 GMT -5
LMFAO. post counts? you are pathetic. sorry that you've over posted and gotten almost 1000 posts in 4 months and i am usually a lurker on this board and have been for years now. and LOL at you being 18 and acting like some chart veteran. I've been chart watching since I was 15, that gives me an inkling of experience. The fact that I have almost 1000 posts, in 5 months as September and February are 5 months apart. Telling me to go in a corner makes you look so mature doesn't it? lol chart watching at 15? what an odd child you were. well alright if you wanna count september in your time signed up, then fine. five 1/2 months, as february isn't even halfway through yet, if you really want to get technical. and if you want to get even more technical there's only four months between september and february. oct, nov, dec, jan ;) and telling me to go back to the kiddie table makes you mature? stop before you embarrass yourself even more. |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:33:36 GMT -5
I've been chart watching since I was 15, that gives me an inkling of experience. The fact that I have almost 1000 posts, in 5 months as September and February are 5 months apart. Telling me to go in a corner makes you look so mature doesn't it? lol chart watching at 15? what an odd child you were. well alright if you wanna count september in your time signed up, then fine. five 1/2 months, as february isn't even halfway through yet, if you really want to get technical. and if you want to get even more technical there's only four months between september and february. oct, nov, dec, jan ;) and telling me to go back to the kiddie table makes you mature? stop before you embarrass yourself even more. Odd child, I like to think so Math is pretty finite, sept and feb have always been 5 apart does telling someone to go back in a corner make you feel more mature? now you know how ridiculous that was |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 8, 2009 21:33:40 GMT -5
repentyourself, just ignore that troll.
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:35:34 GMT -5
my intention was never to be a troll, I just wanted a good discussion.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 8, 2009 21:41:30 GMT -5
I just wanted a good discussion. So much for that.... |
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Post by Monroe on Feb 8, 2009 21:42:09 GMT -5
LOL.
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 8, 2009 21:43:18 GMT -5
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:43:51 GMT -5
I just wanted a good discussion. So much for that.... I've found some common ground, and not personally attacked Kelly, she's a great artist, and I am a casual fan. I don't back down, which makes me appear confrontational. But I'm a Virgo, i'm a bitch |
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Post by nlp81906 on Feb 8, 2009 21:44:22 GMT -5
There we go, we found some common ground ;) |
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