Kelly Clarkson | My Life Would Suck Without You

[It's me, bitch.]

What were the singles from her last album? Never Again, Sober, and Don't Waste Your Time?

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Just Never Again and Sober.

[It's me, bitch.]

There's a video for Don't Waste Your Time.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Feb 9, 2009 17:29:15 GMT -5 It's me, bitch. said:

There's a video for Don't Waste Your Time.

Yeah I believe it was released in Europe. Not in the US.

[sweptaway]

didn't Adele, a girl who is twice Kelly's size just win BNA at the Grammy's?

I'm not a huge fan of Kelly's but all this "she needs to lose weight" or "maintain a certain image" nonsense drives me insane.

If people would stop focusing on the image and start focusing on the music then we might get some better quality tunes.

[kmbgs]

I think we all just want the best for Kelly. We want everyone to look the best they can. That has nothing to do with Kelly's happiness or anything. Just like we want Kelly to have commercial success, we want her to look her best. I personally hope that Kelly always loves the way she looks, that's called confidence. What I also hope is that Kelly strives to make herself better all the time, in all aspects of her life, including her weight, appearance, vocal health, general content-ness with her life--that's called determination

[clarksodi]

Feb 9, 2009 17:42:18 GMT -5 sweptaway said:

didn't Adele, a girl who is twice Kelly's size just win BNA at the Grammy's?

I'm not a huge fan of Kelly's but all this "she needs to lose weight" or "maintain a certain image" nonsense drives me insane.

If people would stop focusing on the image and start focusing on the music then we might get some better quality tunes.

The only reason why her weight comes up is because commercial success is a mixture of image, personality, and talent (usually in that order of importance). Imagine a Kelly with a great image. Breakaway comes to mind...

I've stopped caring about her weight. Her voice is amazing, and no one else's radio interviews entertain me quite as much. I'm sure her personality and talent will sell enough.

[Love Plastic Love]

Yes, Kelly has gained weight. No, she is not a skinny minny. And? Seriously, people have been saying this stuff for years. Yes, she is chubby. Time to move on. She is still kicking ass with #1 cds, singing like a goddess, and adorable as hell. AND she seems happy. Time to just accept her weight and who she is.

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 3:47:48 GMT -5 sunpeach said:

Feb 8, 2009 17:36:08 GMT -5 ƒreakshow said:

LMAO, no it's not. If Kelly's fanbase alone could get a song to #1, then My December would have done a hell of a lot better.

I agree with you- that makes no sense. she probably had a bigger fanbase after "Breakaway" than she does now and they could not get "Never Again" to number one- people like the song, a second week in a row seems to prove that.

At the time of breakaway, ca. 2004. the digital market, and singles market for that matter was pretty small, and even in 2007, it was just beginning to pick up. Her fanbase may have been bigger then, but it's not much smaller now, as evidenced by Suck going to #1 so quickly.

With only enough airplay to get to #97, it's incredibly pretentious to assume that that alone was enough promotion to get the general public excited enough to purchase 200K + downloads of a song, it takes several hundred thousand members of a fanbase to do that, considering the general public's lack of knowledge of the song, which is further evidenced by it's ranking the week before digital release. And by fanbase, people who have very up to date knowledge of an individual artist, and are prepared to band together in number to get that artist to #1. No matter what anyone thinks or feels, that is inherently true. The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Feb 9, 2009 19:19:07 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

it takes several hundred thousand members of a fanbase to do that,

Here's an interesting fact. When a song is released onto Itunes it becomes viewable to the entire downloading public (not just Kelly fans). A lot of people who downloaded the song were probably die hard Kelly fans and a lot of other people probably just seen it added, listened to the 30 second clip, liked what they heard and downloaded it. There is no way to prove how much of those downloads were driven by Kelly's hardcore fanbase and until there is your argument is pointless. You have no proof or evidence that her fanbase alone drove her to #1 and your entire point is driven by opinion.

considering the general public's lack of knowledge of the song, which is further evidenced by it's ranking the week before digital release.

Your right, she should have suppressed downloads for 2 months, that way people would know the song and it would be a much more fair #1. [/sarcasm] I could bet you right now that had she repressed downloads until the song had around 80 million in AI her downloads wouldn't have been much stronger.

And by fanbase, people who have very up to date knowledge of an individual artist, and are prepared to band together in number to get that artist to #1.

As evidenced by all the "fan download days" that have propelled artists to #1!

No matter what anyone thinks or feels, that is inherently true.

No it isn't.

The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. [/sarcasm]

[Bluesy]

WILL, you have a lot more patience than I have with that troll.
:)

[LeonaLewis]

Feb 9, 2009 19:36:24 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. [/sarcasm]

I thought people bought a song of itunes because they liked it and wanted a hq version for their ipod. :)

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 20:03:06 GMT -5 LeonaLewis said:

Feb 9, 2009 19:36:24 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. [/sarcasm]

I thought people bought a song of itunes because they liked it and wanted a hq version for their ipod. :)

That's right Leona, well in theory anyway.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

...

That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. ------> [/sarcasm]

[Ragin]

I understand you guys think image sells songs too, but seriously people......

Janis Joplin
Mama Cass
Aretha Franklin
Patti Labelle
Cher
Etta James
Jennifer Hudson


If you can sing, it doesn't really matter all that much.

[David]

Once Kelly reaches Aretha's current weight, then I'd start to worry. She may be a little on the chubby side, but I don't think Kelly cares, so why should anyone else?

[Ragin]

Kelly isn't even in that stratusphere, it's ridiculous that it's even a topic of conversation

[G-Reg]

I think in Kelly's case her weight is not gonna affect this era. I mean, I don't think she's that much larger than she was during breakaway. And Kelly's a radio artist (again yay!) so people can't see her when listening to the radio. And her songs are wicked catchy... and she's #1 on the hot 100! She's fine.

[nucker]

Feb 9, 2009 16:39:33 GMT -5 Baby In a New Dress said:

Dude. I saw the video of her singing this. She was perfect. This sonng is almost too easy for her to sing. That's what happens when you give a Katy Perry Lite song to a great singer.

But I'm pretty annoyed about how she looks right now. She won't be able to rule '09 looking like that. Go to the gym Kelly. Eat healthier. And get a stylist. ;)

Kelly should personally apologize to you for annoying you with her fluctuating weight.

She's a bit chubby, so what? She seems healthy, happy, and her voice is in fine form. That's all that matters.

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 19:59:22 GMT -5 Bluesy said:

WILL, you have a lot more patience than I have with that troll.
:)

the wikipedia.org definition of trolling
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

but goes on further to say

"Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument fallacy ad hominem."

Looks like someone got a much needed vocabulary lesson

[mikeshere]

Are we really discussing Kellys weight?? My god.. theres nothing else to talk about?? Kelly is the ish.. And she looks great I dont think she has to lose any weight. She looks so cute.. I am by no means the biggest Kelly fa. (as you can tell by how many posts I have in hear). But She looked and sounded great last night. Shes not super skinny but she is average, and I think it helps with her image. I think its nice to see a superstar like Kelly Clarkson not starving herself so she looks good on the next cover of a mag. It shows confidence.

[neally]

Feb 9, 2009 19:19:07 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

Feb 9, 2009 3:47:48 GMT -5 sunpeach said:

The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

Wow, you mean all those songs and albums that I have purchased in the years' past from iTunes were not for my listening pleasure but rather only to get their respective artists to #1 ? Glad you are around because I didn't even know that about myself..........

[G-Reg]

Feb 9, 2009 21:02:47 GMT -5 mikeshere said:

Are we really discussing Kellys weight?? My god.. theres nothing else to talk about?? Kelly is the ish.. And she looks great I dont think she has to lose any weight. She looks so cute.. I am by no means the biggest Kelly fa. (as you can tell by how many posts I have in hear). But She looked and sounded great last night. Shes not super skinny but she is average, and I think it helps with her image. I think its nice to see a superstar like Kelly Clarkson not starving herself so she looks good on the next cover of a mag. It shows confidence.

Some people have nothing else to bitch about. Kelly has a great voice, and great songs. Maybe people are jealous! Besides, this kind of stuff happens to celebs, look at poor Jess Simpson (I can't believe I'm saying that omg.) But it's true, these girls are simply natural, and you're right, there's nothing wrong with that. But people will always have negative things to say, you just have to ignore them.

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 19:36:24 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Feb 9, 2009 19:19:07 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

it takes several hundred thousand members of a fanbase to do that,

Here's an interesting fact. When a song is released onto Itunes it becomes viewable to the entire downloading public (not just Kelly fans). A lot of people who downloaded the song were probably die hard Kelly fans and a lot of other people probably just seen it added, listened to the 30 second clip, liked what they heard and downloaded it. There is no way to prove how much of those downloads were driven by Kelly's hardcore fanbase and until there is your argument is pointless. You have no proof or evidence that her fanbase alone drove her to #1 and your entire point is driven by opinion.



Your right, she should have suppressed downloads for 2 months, that way people would know the song and it would be a much more fair #1. [/sarcasm] I could bet you right now that had she repressed downloads until the song had around 80 million in AI her downloads wouldn't have been much stronger.





As evidenced by all the "fan download days" that have propelled artists to #1!



No it isn't.

The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. [/sarcasm]

I have never said or alluded to the fact that only Kelly fans can view MLWSWY on iTunes at any point in time.
Wasted argument.
The simple fact that only 7 days prior the song scrounged up enough streams/airplay to get to #97, and reached #1 through the most manipulatable chart component, sales, and did so by selling 200K plus. People buy songs with incidence and with a purpose for doing so. Everyone who bought it bought it with a clear and strong desire to do so. All 200,000 of them, the US population according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_population#Population_growth), is around 305,000,000 +
a whopping .06557% of the US population, I'll humor you and say that it had a 300,000 person audience the weak it went to #1, that would give it a slightly more impressive .16393% of the US population hearing or buying it, still not quite impressive as other songs in the top 10 have multi million person audiences and may sell 100K or so, in the eyes of an average joe, that's a more popular song.

What are you even trying to Say about 80 million and AI? The video clip appeared in between AI commercials the week after it first went to #1.

[Love Plastic Love]

I WILL say that she does NOT dress right for her body. That probably annoys me more than anything else LOL. Same with Jessica Simpson. They both wear weird cuts of clothing that confuse me! But, she is still adorable!

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 21:05:20 GMT -5 neally said:

Feb 9, 2009 19:19:07 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

Feb 9, 2009 3:47:48 GMT -5 sunpeach said:

The intention of the vast majority of people who purchased the download had the intention of making the song go to #1.

Wow, you mean all those songs and albums that I have purchased in the years' past from iTunes were not for my listening pleasure but rather only to get their respective artists to #1 ? Glad you are around because I didn't even know that about myself..........

When a song sells enough to go to #1 in its first week of release, that doesn't happen without promotion unless you have an over-zealous fanbase, and that is abundantly clear to me in the case of this song

And I wasn't talking about your entire music collection, only this one song in particular, better luck next time you want to make me look like I don't know I'm talking about

[CammyCan]

I'm not even sure what your argument is. Is it that it got to #1 because Kelly's fans bought the song? If so...isn't that obvious, why would someone buy the song if they weren't a fan of it?

[G-Reg]

Feb 9, 2009 21:10:40 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

Feb 9, 2009 19:36:24 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Here's an interesting fact. When a song is released onto Itunes it becomes viewable to the entire downloading public (not just Kelly fans). A lot of people who downloaded the song were probably die hard Kelly fans and a lot of other people probably just seen it added, listened to the 30 second clip, liked what they heard and downloaded it. There is no way to prove how much of those downloads were driven by Kelly's hardcore fanbase and until there is your argument is pointless. You have no proof or evidence that her fanbase alone drove her to #1 and your entire point is driven by opinion.



Your right, she should have suppressed downloads for 2 months, that way people would know the song and it would be a much more fair #1. [/sarcasm] I could bet you right now that had she repressed downloads until the song had around 80 million in AI her downloads wouldn't have been much stronger.





As evidenced by all the "fan download days" that have propelled artists to #1!



No it isn't.



That's why anyone purchases a song on Itunes, to get it to #1. [/sarcasm]

I have never said or alluded to the fact that only Kelly fans can view MLWSWY on iTunes at any point in time.
Wasted argument.
The simple fact that only 7 days prior the song scrounged up enough streams/airplay to get to #97, and reached #1 through the most manipulatable chart component, sales, and did so by selling 200K plus. People buy songs with incidence and with a purpose for doing so. Everyone who bought it bought it with a clear and strong desire to do so. All 200,000 of them, the US population according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_population#Population_growth), is around 305,000,000 +
a whopping .06557% of the US population, I'll humor you and say that it had a 300,000 person audience the weak it went to #1, that would give it a slightly more impressive .16393% of the US population hearing or buying it, still not quite impressive as other songs in the top 10 have multi million person audiences and may sell 100K or so, in the eyes of an average joe, that's a more popular song.

What are you even trying to Say about 80 million and AI? The video clip appeared in between AI commercials the week after it first went to #1.

But MLWS was #1 for two weeks. People are continuing to buy it because they like it. Call outs have been amazing. Radio is picking up on this at an amazing rate. It's a hit, a #1 hit.

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 21:15:33 GMT -5 G-Reg said:

Feb 9, 2009 21:10:40 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

I have never said or alluded to the fact that only Kelly fans can view MLWSWY on iTunes at any point in time.
Wasted argument.
The simple fact that only 7 days prior the song scrounged up enough streams/airplay to get to #97, and reached #1 through the most manipulatable chart component, sales, and did so by selling 200K plus. People buy songs with incidence and with a purpose for doing so. Everyone who bought it bought it with a clear and strong desire to do so. All 200,000 of them, the US population according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_population#Population_growth), is around 305,000,000 +
a whopping .06557% of the US population, I'll humor you and say that it had a 300,000 person audience the weak it went to #1, that would give it a slightly more impressive .16393% of the US population hearing or buying it, still not quite impressive as other songs in the top 10 have multi million person audiences and may sell 100K or so, in the eyes of an average joe, that's a more popular song.

What are you even trying to Say about 80 million and AI? The video clip appeared in between AI commercials the week after it first went to #1.

But MLWS was #1 for two weeks. People are continuing to buy it because they like it. Call outs have been amazing. Radio is picking up on this at an amazing rate. It's a hit, a #1 hit.

Yeah , NOW it's deserving of it's high peak, but it's first week at #1, that was good old fashioned chart manipulation.

[nlp81906]

Feb 9, 2009 21:14:35 GMT -5 CammyCan said:

I'm not even sure what your argument is. Is it that it got to #1 because Kelly's fans bought the song? If so...isn't that obvious, why would someone buy the song if they weren't a fan of it?

I'm a really firm believer in that if a song is virtually unknown, and zooms to #1 the next week on the wings of crazed fan downloads, it's not a truly deserving #1 for that week. Now, in time, the song usually does become deserving of being #1, after radio catches up, and middle america has time to actually be immersed in it.