Kelly Clarkson | My Life Would Suck Without You

[Bluesy]

Feb 11, 2009 9:46:45 GMT -5 sbk said:

I can totally see what The NLP means, and to some extend agree with it. But it´s really the fault of the BB Hot 100 system. For example anyone remember when Taylor Swfit´s Fearless (song) debuted at #9? Completely ridiculous lol.

The Pop 100 reflects popularity better anyway.

Anyway this song is absolutely great and I think it will reach the top 10 on Hot 100 airplay. The deluxe album cover is also much better. I love this era already, lol.

And "Hook Up" needs to leak :'(

I think pretty much everyone can see the point. Some agree with it and some don't. However, just about everyone has said the subject belongs in a different thread.

[Cold as Ice]

Slipped to #6 on itunes

[- d!Va -]

it's done good digitally
Roght Round is probably gonna take #1 next week
wow at adele chasing pavement at #4 .BNA buzz

[kmbgs]

Ew at number 6, WHATEVER. But airplay is rising so that's what matters.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Feb 11, 2009 13:24:34 GMT -5 Cold as Ice said:

Slipped to #6 on itunes

That's just due to a few post Grammy rises and new releases. She's holding up great still, as evidenced by this weeks sales.

[Love Plastic Love]

#6 is still really really good. She is in the middle of huge grammy explosions and HUGE new releases from Eminem and such. Holding ground at #6 is excellent-she probably won't even drop much or may even increase within the next week or so.

[ƒreakshow]

It'll go back up eventually. The grammy stuff will fall.

[clarksodi]

There really is absolutely no reason to worry. Based on the last figures we have from Billboard's Hot Digital Songs, it's sold 671,079 to date.

Now, it may not sound awfully impressive, but she has yet to promote the song on TV. Or has anyone seen a full live vocal performance for this song? Many people still have yet to hear MLWSWY. She one of the few who can sell a song based on her live performances.

Wait until she goes on Ellen, Leno, Oprah, GMA, and American Idol. Then we can worry if she continues her drop.

I also did some research on her previous digital singles sales, from the Express:

CLARKSON, KELLY SINCE U BEEN GONE 1,710,712
CLARKSON, KELLY BECAUSE OF YOU 1,072,798
CLARKSON, KELLY BEHIND THESE HAZEL EYES 1,059,143
CLARKSON, KELLY NEVER AGAIN 946,993
CLARKSON, KELLY BREAKAWAY 938,243
CLARKSON, KELLY WALK AWAY 908,462

[Bluesy]

Feb 11, 2009 17:49:44 GMT -5 clarksodi said:

There really is absolutely no reason to worry. Based on the last figures we have from Billboard's Hot Digital Songs, it's sold 671,079 to date.

Now, it may not sound awfully impressive, but she has yet to promote the song on TV. Or has anyone seen a full live vocal performance for this song? Many people still have yet to hear MLWSWY. She one of the few who can sell a song based on her live performances.

Wait until she goes on Ellen, Leno, Oprah, GMA, and American Idol. Then we can worry if she continues her drop.

I also did some research on her previous digital singles sales, from the Express:

CLARKSON, KELLY SINCE U BEEN GONE 1,710,712
CLARKSON, KELLY BECAUSE OF YOU 1,072,798
CLARKSON, KELLY BEHIND THESE HAZEL EYES 1,059,143
CLARKSON, KELLY NEVER AGAIN 946,993
CLARKSON, KELLY BREAKAWAY 938,243
CLARKSON, KELLY WALK AWAY 908,462

With 670+ thousand sold in four weeks, MLWS is easily on track to sell considerably over 1 million copies. It's a smash hit in every way.

[picklerclarkson]

Is she appearing on Oprah?

This will easily be her most downloaded single.
Some expressers are going to the Bahamas thing so I'm guessing we will get some media! It will be interesting to hear the comparison from Clives party to the first official live performance aired.

[Choco]

Feb 11, 2009 18:17:00 GMT -5 Bluesy said:

Feb 11, 2009 17:49:44 GMT -5 clarksodi said:

There really is absolutely no reason to worry. Based on the last figures we have from Billboard's Hot Digital Songs, it's sold 671,079 to date.

Now, it may not sound awfully impressive, but she has yet to promote the song on TV. Or has anyone seen a full live vocal performance for this song? Many people still have yet to hear MLWSWY. She one of the few who can sell a song based on her live performances.

Wait until she goes on Ellen, Leno, Oprah, GMA, and American Idol. Then we can worry if she continues her drop.

I also did some research on her previous digital singles sales, from the Express:

CLARKSON, KELLY SINCE U BEEN GONE 1,710,712
CLARKSON, KELLY BECAUSE OF YOU 1,072,798
CLARKSON, KELLY BEHIND THESE HAZEL EYES 1,059,143
CLARKSON, KELLY NEVER AGAIN 946,993
CLARKSON, KELLY BREAKAWAY 938,243
CLARKSON, KELLY WALK AWAY 908,462

With 670+ thousand sold in four weeks, MLWS is easily on track to sell considerably over 1 million copies. It's a smash hit in every way.

Yeah, if she makes some hot performances, this could be reaching +2.5 millions in the long run.
Also i think Adele will be failing like in a week from the top 5 on iTunes, so Kelly can get into it again.

[Berry]

thanks to bks

BILLBOARD HOT 100

1 4 KELLY CLARKSON MY LIFE WOULD SUCK WITHOUT YOU

[Abel]

Awesome!

[Revelry]

Still top 5! :)

[neally]

I am optimistically curious to know how the song holds up once nationwide promotion kicks in around the release of the record. I can see a big spike in sales again at that time and more recently, when her song (hopefully) hits top 5

[MOWE]

Feb 11, 2009 0:09:11 GMT -5 clarksodi said:

What's your reasoning for waiting?

I promised myself I wouldn't listen to any leaks until I had the HQ Version of the CD, but luckily nothing has leaked and I haven't been tested. These past few weeks, though, have been great having MLWSWY at my iPod's disposal! Props.

I'm waiting because I don't want to pay for 'MLWSWY' twice, and I definitely want to buy the album.

[Juanca]

I know the topic has been dealt already a lot, but since I have had to read the last 10 pages in the last hour, I would like to add my 2 cents, too
Where did some people get that the Hot 100 was a chart that ranked buzz, knowledge, "popularity" of a song ???
The Hot 100 has ALWAYS considered airplay AND sales, and more recently has added streaming too. It will ALWAYS have detractors, too, however.
I still remember discussions some years ago criticizing the Hot 100 because it gave TOO much weight to music played on the radio, basically controlled by Clear Channel, which could also affect the "popularity" of songs due to politics, censorship or ageism (e.g. songs by Britney, Dixie Chicks, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen).
Currently, at least trying to avoid the super impact of zealous fans, there are limitations on the number of digital sales considered per buyer, for example.

In the case of Suck, it is also noteworthy that it had debuted #97 on the Hot 100 with a few days of airplay, but then during the week it soared in Airplay to reach the Top 40 rapidly. So, more people started to hear it in all radio stations all of a sudden, with DJs saying that the song was available on iTunes.

YES, fans are the ones driving sales of ANY song... but they are also the ones trying to drive radio airplay, too, by requesting or answering callouts, etc. The main difference is that sales have no filter whatsoever and anyone can just go and buy a song they like, whereas radio has the filter of PDs and MDs which can say NO! to songs that are singleworthy for the people but not for them. The best example of that was "Who Knew", which struggled when it was first released to radio, but had consistent sales even when flopping at radio. Once it was rereleased, it went to #1.

A song that almost 300,000 people bought a week is in its way popular. Those many people wanted to have that song in their laptops, mp3 players, etc. That is popularity for me, too.

Btw, I don't agree with people saying that NLP is trolling. Maybe the topic has been extended too much, but the discussion is interesting, though... and NLP has always been respectful in his posts and never has attacked Kelly or infuriated fans.

[Az Paynter]

10 9 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck W... 5833 5108 725 37.201

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+0.419 Audience

[David]

Feb 12, 2009 7:34:15 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

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FLOP

[Bluesy]

Feb 12, 2009 7:34:15 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

10 9 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck W... 5833 5108 725 37.201

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Thanks for this morning's update, azriel. On the surface, this seems like a modest update with the rate of spin gain for MLWS slowing quite a bit. But MLWS actually gained 230 spins on LYL and is now only 59 spins away from moving into the #8 spot. So, barring anything really unusual happening, MLWS should move into the #8 spot tomorrow. Based on yesterday's update, it seemed like it wouldn't reach #8 until Saturday, so today's update is really good regarding chart movement.

The other good news for Kelly is that 'You Found Me' in #10 has not gained on MLWS in the past 24 hours. 'Right Round' is the next hottest song behind MLWS. It has now moved into #15, but its spin growth also has slowed. There is still a huge log-jam between the songs in #1 to #7, but we should finally start to see movement at the top soon. There are only 152 spins separating the #1 and #2 songs, and 162 spins separating #2 and #3. But there's still a big gap of 680 spins between #3 and #4, so we're not going to see a lot of movement in the middle part of the top 10 for awhile.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

The past few updates have been really, odd. Although either way we should see some improvement over the next few days.

[Evergreen]

When this first came out, I thought it was okay. Two days later, I thought it was the best pop song ever. Now, it's extremely old to me.

It's a good return to form though! Glad she had the good sense to go back to a winning formula after flirting with disaster on the last album.

[nlp81906]

Feb 10, 2009 23:14:47 GMT -5 stitch said:

OK. two questions for NLP then,

1. what can we (people who just feel sick of the argument) do?
2. what do you want?

to just end this argument and make this thread move on in a better way.

1. Continue the discussion, I feel that it's relevent stil, because it pretains to the song which the thread is about

2. same answer.

And I honestly believe that you don't want me to conitnue posting here (which I won't, because I know that I'm doing nothing wrong), because you can't stand the other side of an argument, the one that you don't agree with, welcome to america, the land of differing opinion, it's very naive and chlidish to wish the other side of an argument away, not only here, but anywhere in life.

[nlp81906]

Feb 11, 2009 9:46:45 GMT -5 sbk said:

I can totally see what The NLP means, and to some extend agree with it. But it´s really the fault of the BB Hot 100 system. For example anyone remember when Taylor Swfit´s Fearless (song) debuted at #9? Completely ridiculous lol.

The Pop 100 reflects popularity better anyway.

Anyway this song is absolutely great and I think it will reach the top 10 on Hot 100 airplay. The deluxe album cover is also much better. I love this era already, lol.

And "Hook Up" needs to leak :'(

Absolutely, I actually enjoy Kelly's music, I'm not an extreme fan, but my arguments have no harsh feelings toward her. I just fell compelled to bring my case forward to other people.

[Donnie5]

Feb 12, 2009 7:34:15 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

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Yikes!

[nlp81906]

Feb 12, 2009 1:29:57 GMT -5 Juanca said:

I know the topic has been dealt already a lot, but since I have had to read the last 10 pages in the last hour, I would like to add my 2 cents, too
Where did some people get that the Hot 100 was a chart that ranked buzz, knowledge, "popularity" of a song ???
The Hot 100 has ALWAYS considered airplay AND sales, and more recently has added streaming too. It will ALWAYS have detractors, too, however.
I still remember discussions some years ago criticizing the Hot 100 because it gave TOO much weight to music played on the radio, basically controlled by Clear Channel, which could also affect the "popularity" of songs due to politics, censorship or ageism (e.g. songs by Britney, Dixie Chicks, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen).
Currently, at least trying to avoid the super impact of zealous fans, there are limitations on the number of digital sales considered per buyer, for example.

In the case of Suck, it is also noteworthy that it had debuted #97 on the Hot 100 with a few days of airplay, but then during the week it soared in Airplay to reach the Top 40 rapidly. So, more people started to hear it in all radio stations all of a sudden, with DJs saying that the song was available on iTunes.

YES, fans are the ones driving sales of ANY song... but they are also the ones trying to drive radio airplay, too, by requesting or answering callouts, etc. The main difference is that sales have no filter whatsoever and anyone can just go and buy a song they like, whereas radio has the filter of PDs and MDs which can say NO! to songs that are singleworthy for the people but not for them. The best example of that was "Who Knew", which struggled when it was first released to radio, but had consistent sales even when flopping at radio. Once it was rereleased, it went to #1.

A song that almost 300,000 people bought a week is in its way popular. Those many people wanted to have that song in their laptops, mp3 players, etc. That is popularity for me, too.

Btw, I don't agree with people saying that NLP is trolling. Maybe the topic has been extended too much, but the discussion is interesting, though... and NLP has always been respectful in his posts and never has attacked Kelly or infuriated fans.

Thank you so much for this post, JuanK! It's great that this single has sold 600K + copies! Sales in the next few weeks are going to be slow and steady, and yes, I do feel like it will sell over 1,000,000 copies, or 2,000,000, but to think it may go back to #1 is a bit prententious. It's going to hang around in the top 10 for a while, and may go top 5 in Airplay, and not to be too pessimistic, but #1 is unlikely without Urban airplay, and that's no fault of this song, but of the way the Hot 100 Airplay is compiled, and in addition, this could be kelly's best selling single.

[Bluesy]

Feb 12, 2009 13:11:01 GMT -5 @nlp81906 said:

It's going to hang around in the top 10 for a while, and may go top 5 in Airplay, and not to be too pessimistic, but #1 is unlikely without Urban airplay, and that's no fault of this song...

Well, finally something you and I can agree on. (As the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.) Urban airplay is the issue. When even a huge market like Los Angeles (where I live) has only one Top 40 radio station playing current hits, and when there is a ratio of at least 10 R&B/hip-hop songs to 1 pop song being played on that station, the odds are stacked against pop songs making it to #1 in radio airplay on the Mediabase Mainstream Top 40 chart. They can, obviously, but a lot of things need to be going a Pop song's way to help boost it to #1 on Top 40 airplay.

MLWS is probably going to make it to #1 on the Mediabase Hot AC chart. It will make it to #8 on Top 40 tomorrow, but I don't know if it can hang on long enough to make it much higher given the log-jam in the 1–7 spots.

In addition, there's every likelihood MLWS will comfortably sell over 1 million copies, plus it had its 2 weeks at #1 on Billboard's Hot 100.

So whether or not this song peaks at #8 on Top 40, it has already done its job, which was to set the stage for a successful release of her 4th album, now due in less than a month.

[clarksodi]

This thread feels like the "Downfalls of the Billboard Hot 100 Thread" for the past few pages. I'm so sick of it.

It's even more frustrating when you ask The NLP to stop the discussion, and the 18 year old calls us "naive and chlidish" (as he spelled it) for refusing to continue his discussion. Over imposing your opinion when others have already "agreed to disagree" on previous posts is a sign of your immaturity, and definitely not American. I thought our Foreign posters should know that in the States, we do respect everyone's opinions and beliefs, no matter how different they may be from our very own. Thus, the American origin of the "agree to disagree" phrase that signals irreconcilable differences and the necessary need to dismiss an argument for the sake of parties involved. In our case, for the sake of our regular posters to continue enjoying the board and to continue posting relevant airplay/sales updates that are otherwise unavailable for the rest.

I'm done venting. I'm gonna go enjoy a real "My Life Would Suck Without You" thread for while.

[El Chiko Kevo]

Kelly Clarkson - My Life Would Suck Without You (DJ MichaelAngelo's Implicit Edit)

[Justin.]

Wow, she's quickly falling out of the Top 10 on iTunes? What's up with that?