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Post by ïʼnčrεdiвl on Feb 16, 2009 1:14:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Sober and Heartless are far from peaking, and I think MLWS will only move once Single Ladies and Just Dance fall from the top 3. If Circus is really done, then ya, MLWS has a shot at top 5, but not because of Sober and Heartless. You may be right. Even if MLWS has longevity, it might have to wait for SL and JD to fall out of the top 5. I'm looking at the mathematical spread in total spins between MLWS and the other songs above it. As of this morning, there are five songs with positive bullets above MLWS. The two closest to it with smaller bullets are 'Circus' and 'Heartless'. So I'm looking only at the fact that the spin gap between them and MLWS has to close considerably for MLWS to have a shot at #5, let alone getting past SL and JD. The mathematical gap between JD and SL is tiny, only 4 spins, but it's 596 spins between them and 'Circus' in #4. So 'Circus' moves to #3, and probably #2 sometime next week. 'Gives You Hell' moves into #5 tomorrow or the day after at the latest. But as of today's update there is a huge 3150 spin gap between JD/SL and MLWS. That's why I'm focusing on 'Circus' and 'Heartless'. If MLWS's rate of spin growth remains strong, it will definitely pass them both eventually. That's what I'm tracking for now. Oh, ok. I was just looking at the obvious picture, I wasn't really going into the mathematics of it, but that makes alot of sense! :) |
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 3:38:00 GMT -5
I actually don't like this song in a lower tone at all. In all honesty I'm not too crazy about it either. That performance was like the original but deflated. It seemed to lack the intensity of the studio version. Maybe this is just one of those songs that is hard to replicate live though. Dr. Luke/Max pop/rock songs are very difficult to replicate live. They need to add a back up track (kelly's background vocal on studio version) on top of live back up singers on the chorus, to make it sound more 'full', otherwise it's gonna give a very different dynamic. They multi-layered her voice on the studio version (harmonizing in some parts), but we only have 1 Kelly on live performance. They used to play a back up track along with Kelly's live vocal during the early promo of Since U Been Gone. That's why if you go back to the infamous "orange bowl" performance, when Kelly's mic was off at the beginning, you could hear her background vocal, but not her live vocal. And it's just obvious that they played a backup track heavily during the chorus, and personally i like it better. It gives the chorus those 'explosive' feels, just like the studio version. About the lower key change, I HAVE NO DOUBT A-STANDING-STILL-KELLY COULD PULL OFF (HIT ALL THOSE HIGH NOTES ON THE STUDIO VERSION) MLWSY LIVE ON ITS ORIGINAL KEY NO PROBLEM! I don't think 'Suck' is hard to sing at all for a vocalist her caliber. Some of her singles from previous albums are alot harder to sing IMO. MLWSWY would be no problem for Kelly when she's not running and jump up and down PERFORMING the song, instead of just singing it. I can't wait for stripped/acoustic performance where it's only acoustic guitar and Kelly standing in one place and just SING. Listen to Breakaway's Sonny Connect SUBG+BTHE performances. FLAWLESS! She even hit the ANYMORE note on BTHE's bridge. Her voice is in good shape i think. Super intense promos, long-traveling, performances are coming up, and from past experiences, it'll take a toll on her voice, her voice is the first thing that's gonna go. So I'm gonna enjoy her good voice condition in this early stages of promo. Traveling across continents havent been nice for her health. The Firm let her voice went so bad in the middle of Breakaway era. They overworked her, and she does not lipsych, she rather screech like a dying cat (MAD RESPECT 4 KELLY!) I'm listening to the audio of the whole concert, She sounded good! =) JUMP! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT IM GOOOONEE ...... (Lol at new version of BD, she should take BD to ryan tedder, make a bleeding love/apologize type of song and release it as a smash single finally and it'd be its final version ...lol) |
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Post by stitch on Feb 16, 2009 3:45:15 GMT -5
I think they should make a big preparation for performing this song on the TV show. You can't deny that, apart from melodies, the instrumental and sound mix on this song is maybe the most interesting part. So it's really hard to make impressive vocals in the live performance. I think the last chorus is the key for great vocals.
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 3:50:28 GMT -5
Yes, and Kelly seemed to explode with her addlib too early, she should spare her extra belting/high notes for the last chorus next time =). She could only improve and get more comfortable performing the song.
She took advantage of the back up singers on MI on the chorus. She shoud do it with 'SUCk' too on the 3rd My Life! (my life!) would suck (would suck!) without yoouu cuz we belooonnngg... She could do and add so many different stuff on it while letting back up singers/(i prefer)back up track carry the melody.
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Post by JORDAN on Feb 16, 2009 3:56:05 GMT -5
I actually don't like this song in a lower tone at all. In all honesty I'm not too crazy about it either. That performance was like the original but deflated. It seemed to lack the intensity of the studio version. Maybe this is just one of those songs that is hard to replicate live though. Umm I'm going to Kelbot hell but I'm not digging the performance either! The more I listened/watched the more things i found that I didn't like about it! The performance was boring, for one. The lyrics were boring enough that I think she was kind of detached from the song. But then again, I don't blame her .. The lower key is a disaster, one because it sounds flat and Kelly actually did go flat some times trying to hit the lower notes, but two because I know she can do it in the regular key.. it wouldn't be too hard if she stayed in one place and didn't jump around and shit. Plus, the bridge is terribly simple so she wouldn't have to worry about that. As for the screaming in the end of the recorded version, she can ad-lib something to make the ending more interesting. Also, she should use vibrato on those sustained notes in the chorus because her trying to make them sound like the recording and then falling off of them does not sound cute. I would actually really love to hear an acoustic version of this song.. Anyone remember those Vh1.com sessions for Breakaway? LOVED them! Ugh, please put me in charge! |
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Post by Ryan on Feb 16, 2009 3:57:43 GMT -5
because of her vocal condition. and what "vocal condition" is that Dr. Ryan? i'm not a doctor so no need to be sarcastic, i guess? Kelly does it, Beyonce does it -when she sings Halo, Irreplaceable or Listen, and even Mariah or Whitney does it but no one says they can't sing. ppl just think that they are not at best condition. vocalists need to protect their precious vocal and that's all. of course that sounds very weird or disappointing sometimes but when they're not at their best condition, they can and should lower the song because if they try to hit the high note when can't, that will hurt their voice... |
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 4:07:12 GMT -5
In all honesty I'm not too crazy about it either. That performance was like the original but deflated. It seemed to lack the intensity of the studio version. Maybe this is just one of those songs that is hard to replicate live though. Umm I'm going to Kelbot hell but I'm not digging the performance either! The more I listened/watched the more things i found that I didn't like about it! The performance was boring, for one. The lyrics were boring enough that I think she was kind of detached from the song. But then again, I don't blame her .. The lower key is a disaster, one because it sounds flat and Kelly actually did go flat some times trying to hit the lower notes, but two because I know she can do it in the regular key.. it wouldn't be too hard if she stayed in one place and didn't jump around and s**t. Plus, the bridge is terribly simple so she wouldn't have to worry about that. As for the screaming in the end of the recorded version, she can ad-lib something to make the ending more interesting. Also, she should use vibrato on those sustained notes in the chorus because her trying to make them sound like the recording and then falling off of them does not sound cute. I would actually really love to hear an acoustic version of this song.. Anyone remember those Vh1.com sessions for Breakaway? LOVED them! Ugh, please put me in charge! Very agree. especially about he VH1 session, as i mentioned in my previous long essay about the acoustic Sonny Connect performance. I'll vote for you to be in charge. LOL When would you release I Do Not Hook Up? Would you release it around album release to give more push on buying the album with 2 power pop anthem in rotation? (it would do WONDER for her album sales) Would you wait and milk MLWSWY as long as possible? and wait til it losses its bullet to release hook up? |
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Post by JORDAN on Feb 16, 2009 4:17:37 GMT -5
Umm I'm going to Kelbot hell but I'm not digging the performance either! The more I listened/watched the more things i found that I didn't like about it! The performance was boring, for one. The lyrics were boring enough that I think she was kind of detached from the song. But then again, I don't blame her .. The lower key is a disaster, one because it sounds flat and Kelly actually did go flat some times trying to hit the lower notes, but two because I know she can do it in the regular key.. it wouldn't be too hard if she stayed in one place and didn't jump around and s**t. Plus, the bridge is terribly simple so she wouldn't have to worry about that. As for the screaming in the end of the recorded version, she can ad-lib something to make the ending more interesting. Also, she should use vibrato on those sustained notes in the chorus because her trying to make them sound like the recording and then falling off of them does not sound cute. I would actually really love to hear an acoustic version of this song.. Anyone remember those Vh1.com sessions for Breakaway? LOVED them! Ugh, please put me in charge! Very agree. especially about he VH1 session, as i mentioned in my previous long essay about the acoustic Sonny Connect performance. I'll vote for you to be in charge. LOL When would you release I Do Not Hook Up? Would you release it around album release to give more push on buying the album with 2 power pop anthem in rotation? (it would do WONDER for her album sales) Would you wait and milk MLWSWY as long as possible? and wait til it losses its bullet to release hook up? I would send I Do Not Hook Up for adds a week or two after the album's release. By that time MLWSWY will hopefully be approaching/already at #1 , and by that time the song will be on the album so people already over My Life can jump on the new single while still allowing some stations to keep My life in high rotation with the intro of her new song. The hype of the CD will help it sell the first few weeks and then the push of the second single will continue sales. |
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 5:24:26 GMT -5
^^hm pretty good decision imo, as some radio station will jump and start playing I Do Not Hook Up after the album leaks, especially Z100.
Can she release Hook Up digitally a week b4 album release and sneak another #1 on hot 100? lol maybe not huh.
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Post by sweptaway on Feb 16, 2009 7:30:50 GMT -5
and what "vocal condition" is that Dr. Ryan? i'm not a doctor so no need to be sarcastic, i guess? Kelly does it, Beyonce does it -when she sings Halo, Irreplaceable or Listen, and even Mariah or Whitney does it but no one says they can't sing. ppl just think that they are not at best condition. vocalists need to protect their precious vocal and that's all. of course that sounds very weird or disappointing sometimes but when they're not at their best condition, they can and should lower the song because if they try to hit the high note when can't, that will hurt their voice... I thought you meant she had vocal nodes or something. Personally, not even being a huge Kelly fan and certainly not a fan of this song in particular, I thought she sounded pretty good. I like the dirtier version. I really don't think this song lives up to the potential of Kelly's voice or didn't until i heard her sing it live. All the "tweaking" is gone which is probably what I hate most about the song to begin with. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 16, 2009 7:37:49 GMT -5
9 8 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck W... 6160 5636 524 38.535
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 8:10:51 GMT -5
4 4 BRITNEY SPEARS Circus 8664 8239 425 58.168
7 5 ALL-AMERICAN REJECTS Gives You Hell 8094 7070 1024 48.297
6 6 PINK Sober 7995 7560 435 45.999
5 7 KANYE WEST Heartless 7973 7833 140 54.091
9 8 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck W... 6160 5636 524 38.535
12 9 FRAY You Found Me 5346 4950 396 33.747
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 16, 2009 9:32:42 GMT -5
9 8 KELLY CLARKSON My Life Would Suck W... 6160 5636 524 38.535 +67 Spins -78 Bullet +0.057 Audience Better!  |
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Post by FacetheFacts on Feb 16, 2009 10:07:56 GMT -5
Sadly I thought the whole preformance was horrible to the lower key, the clothes, and everything.
I love Kelly is amazing and hopefully she will get on her a game
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 16, 2009 11:42:11 GMT -5
She needs to stop jumping, that $hit is so annoying. I get it.. you're rock, but..ugh Sorry to disappoint you, but she'll never stop that. She should. It kills her breath control. This would be true for any singer, not just Kelly. |
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 16, 2009 12:12:08 GMT -5
I would send I Do Not Hook Up for adds a week or two after the album's release. By that time MLWSWY will hopefully be approaching/already at #1 , and by that time the song will be on the album so people already over My Life can jump on the new single while still allowing some stations to keep My life in high rotation with the intro of her new song. The hype of the CD will help it sell the first few weeks and then the push of the second single will continue sales. MLWS is going to have a hard time making it into the #5 spot on the Top 40 radio airplay chart. At this song's current rate of spin gain, it will take MLWS about two weeks just to get to #7. Even though it still has a strong bullet, it's been slowly weakening. The question for this song now is, will it have enough longevity to wait for the 4 dropping songs above it to fall far enough to give MLWS a shot at #6, nevermind #5. In the meantime, 'Dead And Gone' and 'Right Round' (currently in #13 and #14) are already knocking on the top 10's door. |
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Post by picklerclarkson on Feb 16, 2009 12:30:16 GMT -5
I would rather have it climb slowly like this.
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 16, 2009 12:48:36 GMT -5
I would rather have it climb slowly like this. The problem is, MLWS isn't climbing. Although its bullet is strong, the rate of spin gains has been decreasing slowly for about a week. It can't continue to have a decreasing rate of gain and make it much further up the chart. So I'd like to see it pick up a bit. |
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Post by Focus on Feb 16, 2009 12:58:11 GMT -5
great bullet. I can't wait until it reaches the top spot. And imo it will.  |
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Post by Bluesy on Feb 16, 2009 14:02:49 GMT -5
great bullet. I can't wait until it reaches the top spot. And imo it will. The good news is that MLWS will definitely make the top 5 on Hot AC, and has a real shot at making it to #1 on that format. MLWS is only 108 spins out of #7 today, and 494 out of #5. Even though overall chart movement for all songs on Hot AC is much slower than Top 40, the AC top 10 only has four songs right now with positive bullets, and two are really small. MLWS is going to need more promotion to help it on Top 40. I hope Kelly's TV appearances give it the boost it needs. |
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Post by picklerclarkson on Feb 16, 2009 14:21:13 GMT -5
I honestly think the next single is going to be bigger than this. The demo itself is great!
This will probably go at least Top 3 but I think it will go #1!
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Post by Focus on Feb 16, 2009 14:50:42 GMT -5
I honestly think the next single is going to be bigger than this. The demo itself is great! This will probably go at least Top 3 but I think it will go #1! ditto for your whole post. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 16, 2009 16:46:54 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint you, but she'll never stop that. She should. It kills her breath control. This would be true for any singer, not just Kelly. Well of course. I just think Kelly loves to perform and put fun into her performances - regardless of what it may do to her voice. |
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Post by Rurry on Feb 16, 2009 16:48:30 GMT -5
Is this definitely going top 5? I really hope it does because, while usually I think complaining about top 10 peaks is dumb, it would be kinda disappointing if this only made it to like #7. I dunno why even, it just would be lol.
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Post by - d!Va - on Feb 16, 2009 16:55:25 GMT -5
I think so too about hook up, it'll be a HUGE airplay hit thru spring-summer.
I still think SUCK still has a long life to it, it'll get its turn at the top. It's very crowded now. SUCK climbed way too fast.
But if it doesn't and keep losing its bullet and dies, we'll get to hear Hook Up soon. It's a win win situation ;)
Wasn't the song originally titled Hook Up? Did Kelly add the "I Do Not" part?
I'm bringing my laptop to work now, just in case the album or hook up leaks! I'm not gonna wait til I get off work.
I think the CD will leak next week though.
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Post by Felicia on Feb 16, 2009 17:00:19 GMT -5
The live performance wasn't good at all.
And does Kelly dresses herself? What the heck is she wearing?!
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Post by Stephen on Feb 16, 2009 17:02:19 GMT -5
I can't believe Hook Up is the second single. That song is awful.
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Post by Felicia on Feb 16, 2009 17:09:33 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNAwyKrKSHgIs this the 'Hook Up' song? It's awful... but I am pretty sure Kelly will come up with something different and decent with it. I can imagine a loud chorus with her big voice.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 16, 2009 17:11:32 GMT -5
Yup - that's Hook Up. Sadly. :( She did say that she changed things up in it, but I don't know if they will be enough. If you guys think Hook Up is bad, listen to Long Shot, it's even worse IMO!  |
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Post by aTunes on Feb 16, 2009 17:22:04 GMT -5
What I really find disturbing about Hook Up being the 2nd single is, besides it just being a sub par song, the song is also a freakin Katy Perry LEFTOVER! Am I the only one who's extremely perturbed that someone of Kelly's caliber is using Katy Perry rejects as her 2nd single?  |
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