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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 10, 2009 20:36:09 GMT -5
This over PW and BP!? :o
I can't see this working, but I hope it does, just because I think the Dolls are needed in this radio era. Saying that, people like them because they want to see them dance, and because they can usually dance to their songs in a club.
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Post by galvanize on Apr 10, 2009 20:38:49 GMT -5
I think they chose this because it was a massive hit in Russia, becoming their biggest hit by topping the airplay chart there and has accumulated 290,829 radio spins over there. That won't happen here though.
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Post by David on Apr 10, 2009 20:39:21 GMT -5
This era is a disaster. Either someone at Interscope wants to get rid of Nicole, or they are just stupid.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 10, 2009 22:06:33 GMT -5
I think they chose this because it was a massive hit in Russia, becoming their biggest hit by topping the airplay chart there and has accumulated 290,829 radio spins over there. That won't happen here though. That much in Russia, huh? But do they honestly think that's going to translate into massive airplay on US radio? If this song gets anywhere close to 10% of that amount, that would be sheer luck but I'm not counting on it. At the very least, it will probably achieve a little better than 1% of the total radio spins accumulated in Russia.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 10, 2009 22:08:08 GMT -5
I think they chose this because it was a massive hit in Russia, becoming their biggest hit by topping the airplay chart there and has accumulated 290,829 radio spins over there. That won't happen here though. That much in Russia, huh? But do they honestly think that's going to translate into massive airplay on US radio? If this song gets anywhere close to 10% of that amount, that would be sheer luck but I'm not counting on it. At the very least, it will probably achieve a little better than 1% of the total radio spins accumulated in Russia. I think it's going to accumulate a little more than 2,908 spins.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 10, 2009 22:14:42 GMT -5
I actually think this will impact CHR. It'll at least go top 40. I have no idea how I would react if this somehow manages to outpeak "Jai Ho!" on CHR.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 10, 2009 22:18:01 GMT -5
I think it's going to accumulate a little more than 2,908 spins. I agree. That seems like a fair and reasonable assessment.
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Post by Justin. on Apr 10, 2009 22:19:01 GMT -5
they should've released Magic.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Apr 10, 2009 22:23:12 GMT -5
Did people genuinely expect "Jai Ho" to do really well? It did well enough to make a decent impact on The Hot 100 and served as an in-between but I never expected it to be a smash hit really. I could never imagine American radio embracing a song called "Jai Ho" regardless of who sang it especially considering how it was never a song intended for radio release.
PCD's version was nothing more than a clever marketing ploy aimed to make the most of the buzz, generate some mainstream buzz, and garner even more attention for the movie itself. The song actually exceeded my initial expectations. I didn't expect it to go Top 40. I thought the novelty of it would have worn off long before it reached that high.
Granted, there have been mistakes this era but I really don't count "Jai Ho" as one of them. I am somewhat glad "Bottle Pop" was scrapped. Initially I was in support of it being a single, but honestly, it was just too monotonous and anit-climactic. The video was disappointing too. I'm all for moving onto a new single or better yet - a new era. Until then, I hope this doesn't get screwed up because it has always sounded like a potential hit to me.
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Post by aTunes on Apr 10, 2009 22:24:49 GMT -5
Elevator needed to be next if they're insistent on more singles from this album. But actually I think this is the most radio friendly song left on the album after Elevator. Only problem is their last hit was a ballad, so another one is not a good idea, plus it's also summer.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Apr 10, 2009 22:26:27 GMT -5
Only problem is their last hit was a ballad, so another one is not a good idea, plus it's also summer. Yeah, that's my main worry with this decision. They really need to release something upbeat. PCD is all about fun and gimmicks. They aren't really known for their ballads and love songs so it's a bit odd that they went from "I Hate This Part" to this.
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Post by jamrock16 on Apr 10, 2009 22:26:33 GMT -5
I too doubt this will pass Jai Ho's peak on CHR. I almost forgot about Magic, but it is definitely a better choice than this (along with Bottle Pop).
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Post by aTunes on Apr 10, 2009 22:28:14 GMT -5
This is actually a very radio friendly ballad (I'd say almost as much so as IHTP), but as I said now is not the right time for another ballad release by them. Elevator then this would work so much better.
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Post by David on Apr 10, 2009 22:34:22 GMT -5
I don't think anything would work to be honest. Whatcha Think About That made radio hesitant to add I Hate This Part, and its slow ass climb pretty much killed any hype this era had left. Then throw Jai Ho and its massive floppage on there and I think you pretty much just killed an era that could have been big.
Like I said, it feels like someone at Interscope is out to ruin Nicole and make her fade away. Why else would a record label make a disaster out of an era that could have been atleast decent?
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Post by aTunes on Apr 10, 2009 22:38:27 GMT -5
^I don't know, I think it's pretty impressive IHTP did what it did with how messy the era had already been handled. So my point is I think IHTP showed that radio is still willing to embrace them, even after sloppy handling by the label. I think Elevator could have been a top 10 on CHR for them releasing it in place of this.
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Post by #brayden on Apr 10, 2009 23:59:10 GMT -5
I just listened to this song... it's not that bad, better than what I thought it would be. The only problem I have is that it's, once again, all Nicole. I guess I was really hoping for 'Painted Windows'... but if this is the next release, I think it's safe to assume that 'Elevator' won't be getting a release at all.
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Post by Juanca on Apr 11, 2009 1:29:04 GMT -5
Painted Windows would have been better. Maybe label got a bit concerned about the in-your-face dance style. Jai Ho was also in your face, but flopped misserably, so maybe they prefered going the safest route possible with this one. It is a nice song, Nicole sings it well, but a bit TOO slow for radio right now, especially the verses.
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Post by aTunes on Apr 11, 2009 3:50:37 GMT -5
Painted Windows would have been better. Maybe label got a bit concerned about the in-your-face dance style. Jai Ho was also in your face, but flopped misserably, so maybe they prefered going the safest route possible with this one. It is a nice song, Nicole sings it well, but a bit TOO slow for radio right now, especially the verses. That could be, they have had two uptempos flop from this era, so maybe the label is concerned that they can't have uptempo hits anymore, so they're just focusing on the ballads. I don't know, just a thought.
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Post by RomanStopIt on Apr 11, 2009 5:49:05 GMT -5
Please don't tell me it's going to be the Remix version....
That is a huge flop in the making
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 11:36:14 GMT -5
I think IHTP really cleaned up the mess Whatcha Think About left behind, but then to follow up with Jai Ho and making a video for BP without releasing it, releasing Whatcha Think About in the UK and many other stupid moves from the label killed this era completely. Sry PCD
NEXT!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 11:42:02 GMT -5
"Whatcha Think About That" was actually more successful than "I Hate This Part" in the UK.
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Post by LoveKiller on Apr 11, 2009 12:46:28 GMT -5
can we just lock this thread and pretend that this song isn't getting released? hahaha
really though, because jai ho flopped, it's going to be like they're going from IHTP to HH, which is two very similar BALLADS in a row. foolish! HH is like a cracked out annoying version of IHTP. i hope they pull what they did before and change the next single at the very last minute. PAINTED WINDOWS PLEASE! or bottle pop.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Apr 11, 2009 13:07:05 GMT -5
Honestly...this song is made for radio... I suggest that they re-record Melody and a couple of the dolls singing a line...or at least add backgroudn vocals... but this is not a horrible choice. It sounds like a smash...and would be coming off of a song like "Bottle Pop." Who knows...we'll see.
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Post by LoveKiller on Apr 11, 2009 13:37:59 GMT -5
Honestly...this song is made for radio... I suggest that they re-record Melody and a couple of the dolls singing a line...or at least add backgroudn vocals... but this is not a horrible choice. It sounds like a smash...and would be coming off of a song like "Bottle Pop." Who knows...we'll see. what do you mean it would be coming off of a song like bottle pop? if pcd had great momentum i could maybe see this doing well, but this song CAN'T put them back on the map. they need to release an upbeat jam that people associate the pussycat dolls with, not another ballad. i think that's the problem with DD. it's way too different from PCD, and people were thrown off and pcd wasn't making the kind of music that people associate them with.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 11, 2009 13:56:10 GMT -5
I know that when I think of PCD, I think of the following three songs: Don't Cha, WIGU, and Buttons.
Those are the kinds of records they should be releasing. PW fits that mold.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 11, 2009 14:14:55 GMT -5
Who knows what's going to happen now? At the rate their label keeps screwing things up, they can decide to scrap this release in favor of another single that people might like. Only to reverse course. Or to do something else. And after a while, it won't really matter anymore because no matter what happens over the rest of this era, it's "damned if they do, damned if they don't".
If they want to redeem themselves here, my ideal scenario would be to go with "Painted Windows" (it's appropriate with the re-release) followed by an catchy, upbeat song that will give them another hit to wrap up this era (whether it would be "Bottle Pop" or "Elevator"). After all, it's spring and with the summer not too far away, we expect something more upbeat and catchy that not only radio stations will embrace but will be musical candy to our ears as well.
As for "Hush Hush", like someone previously posted, it's another ballad following too soon on the heels of "I Hate This Part" and the latter had unexpected longevity. Sure, we have "Jai Ho!" but its run has not stretched long enough to create a reasonable gap bridging "I Hate This Part" and "Hush Hush". To its credit, it was a hit in Russia but that's all. I'll stop short of saying how good or bad it is until I've heard it enough to make reasonable judgments.
Overall, as much as I have put forth my criticisms from this era along with many others on this forum, I acknowledge that not all is lost from a global standpoint.
"When I Grow Up" and "I Hate This Part" were big hits overall.
"Whatcha Think About That" may have been a huge flop in North America, but unexpectedly became a hit in the UK and Ireland.
"Jai Ho!" (NOT technically part of this era but the re-release) received success overall digitally and on radio elsewhere (outside the U.S.). For one, the resurging popularity of Slumdog Millionaire on the heels of its outcome at the Oscars certainly did not hurt.
I suppose the Dolls' version, along with the original one, resonated just as well in other countries, not only because of the worldwide success they already have by default, but in connecting with other styles of music besides their own pop sound, it gave their audiences a newfound appreciation for the group.
Although in all honesty (if this has not been repeated enough times already) this was sadly and obviously more to the benefit of Nicole, at the expense of the other Dolls, in her pitiful attempts to have her name put out there.
Looking at how this song is doing in countries like Turkey, the UK, Ireland, and Israel, it's a testament to the song's international success. However, its success on the charts has been questioned by some as it would appear that their version is riding on the coattails of the original, and that by combining the sales of the two, there's no telling which one has been doing better.
So that's my take on this whole era. Anyone can care to agree or disagree. In the end, the label could have handled this a whole lot better than it has up to this point.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 11, 2009 14:19:48 GMT -5
what do you mean it would be coming off of a song like bottle pop? if pcd had great momentum i could maybe see this doing well, but this song CAN'T put them back on the map. they need to release an upbeat jam that people associate the pussycat dolls with, not another ballad. i think that's the problem with DD. it's way too different from PCD, and people were thrown off and pcd wasn't making the kind of music that people associate them with. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone mention that most, if not all of the material on "Doll Domination" is purely Nicole, including some of the stuff that was supposed to have been on her solo album that kept getting pushed back. I guess that's where the problem lies. It's not just "Doll Domination", more like "One Doll Domination" to put it at best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 14:22:42 GMT -5
"Jai Ho!" (from the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack, and NOT technically part of this era but the re-release) received success overall digitally and on radio elsewhere (outside the U.S.). "Jai Ho! (You Are My Destiny)" is not on the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack.
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Post by Battle601 on Apr 11, 2009 14:30:58 GMT -5
"Jai Ho!" (from the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack, and NOT technically part of this era but the re-release) received success overall digitally and on radio elsewhere (outside the U.S.). "Jai Ho! (You Are My Destiny)" is not on the Slumdog Millionaire soundtrack. Thanks for correcting me on that one. I've since fixed that. After such a long post, that fact was lost on me when I was making references to the original version. Now I feel really bad.
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Post by Tabitha on Apr 11, 2009 14:40:29 GMT -5
why dont they actually release "bottle pop" to radio? that has the best chance at a hit
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