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Post by Sarah. on Dec 2, 2009 21:41:06 GMT -5
Adam's appearances on Jimmy Kimmel and Dick Clark's NYE have been cancelled due to FCC pressure on ABC.  Geez that's such bs...I feel bad for him... Britney and Madonna kissed on live TV.. pink did the simulating oral on a live fox event... (1:35 of this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg)They seriously are reaching the point of specifically discriminating against him as a person. |
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Post by foxxden on Dec 2, 2009 21:43:44 GMT -5
#22 on Billboard's Hot 100 Bubbling Under Chart...could debut in the next few weeks!
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Post by brb on Dec 3, 2009 0:37:37 GMT -5
Adam's appearances on Jimmy Kimmel and Dick Clark's NYE have been cancelled due to FCC pressure on ABC. Geez that's such bs...I feel bad for him... Britney and Madonna kissed on live TV.. pink did the simulating oral on a live fox event... (1:35 of this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg)They seriously are reaching the point of specifically discriminating against him as a person. They are discriminating against him for being gay. America is not ready to embrace an openly gay pop star, is it?  |
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Post by folkfan on Dec 3, 2009 0:39:46 GMT -5
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Post by moodswings on Dec 3, 2009 2:36:16 GMT -5
Sorry, but no. I was the one who dug up that Pink video because I remembered the original performance on the Billboards. From the east coast of the USA. Uncensored. That is exactly what I saw, exactly what I remembered, and ABC pissed me off enough tonight to search through youtubes to find it. Anyone who says the east coast feed of that performance was censored is lying. |
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 3, 2009 2:49:10 GMT -5
Adam (and Allison) were added as "special guests" for Z100's Jingle Ball. Seems it will be an Idol reunion. Kris is the only one who is actually part of the line-up of performers though. Which is sad because Adam and Allison could easily replace stuff like Taylor Swift, Pitbull and Ke$ha to improve the show. www.z100.com/pages/events/jingleball09/index.htmlNot to mention he puts on a good show, unlike the other guy...*yawn* Well, blame RCA for not booking this sooner then. I guess they now realize he isn't too big for Jingle Balls anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 3:59:49 GMT -5
Geez that's such bs...I feel bad for him... Britney and Madonna kissed on live TV.. pink did the simulating oral on a live fox event... (1:35 of this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPpSpBcs4wg)They seriously are reaching the point of specifically discriminating against him as a person. They are discriminating against him for being gay. America is not ready to embrace an openly gay pop star, is it? you are wrong,if so,adam lambert wouldnt had even reach top 10 in idol this year.more and more people are open up about it.maybe 5 years later gay male singer will dominate the industry. |
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Post by Kworb on Dec 3, 2009 4:14:06 GMT -5
Sorry, but no. I was the one who dug up that Pink video because I remembered the original performance on the Billboards. From the east coast of the USA. Uncensored. That is exactly what I saw, exactly what I remembered, and ABC pissed me off enough tonight to search through youtubes to find it. Anyone who says the east coast feed of that performance was censored is lying. People still complained about Pink as well and there probably would've been just as much controversy had she been scheduled for more events on the network that were subsequently cancelled. I do agree that anything gay will more quickly be seen as perverted but in this case being unpredictably obscene was Adam's biggest mistake. If he'd done the performance as in rehearsal there would've been no problem. I do think these other cancellations are unwarranted, IMO he's been punished more than enough already. |
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Post by lefil001 on Dec 3, 2009 4:54:43 GMT -5
They are discriminating against him for being gay. America is not ready to embrace an openly gay pop star, is it? you are wrong,if so,adam lambert wouldnt had even reach top 10 in idol this year.more and more people are open up about it.maybe 5 years later gay male singer will dominate the industry. Adam toned down his flamboyancy during the show. It seems like the only way to gain the freedom to be an openly gay star is to hide any trait that might be construed as gay. |
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Post by justfloating on Dec 3, 2009 7:21:57 GMT -5
^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness.
people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive.
all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind.
this song is proof that being gay has so little to do with it. A radio friendly song by Pink and Max Martin being successful on radio? SHOCKING. it doesnt even matter that hes gay. if he were straight, it would do well too.
Chris Brown is having performances cancelled too from networks being pressured. is he being discriminated against too?
No, tv is just trying to maintain good ratings as always. those are people's jobs you know.
and yet people want to sympathize for some guy who won second play on the top talent show in the world? HAHAAHA thats a joke.
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Post by Kworb on Dec 3, 2009 7:27:08 GMT -5
POP:
73 59 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 337 119 218 4.353
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70 62 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 87 66 21 1.092
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Post by Rodze on Dec 3, 2009 7:45:11 GMT -5
Most of these spins, like the Atlanta spin, are just test spins. It's going to be a while before the Atlanta station plays the song again. It was just part of the new music segment, where they ask people to text in their thoughts about the song. They did the same thing with FYE, they played it twice during this segment weeks ago, and never played it again. The other top 40 station in Atlanta will probably play and add the song before WSTR does. RCA is scrambling, Adam now has two hosting gigs lined up for Jingle Balls, he's hosting the Z100 concert. I guess that's the cost of getting them to spin the song 5 or more times a day. Z100 is spinning this song because Adam is a superstar. It has got nothing to do with radio politics. |
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Post by Sarah. on Dec 3, 2009 7:59:20 GMT -5
Even if they did censor it, nobody in the media made a big deal about what she did. I had no idea she did that... So that right there is a double standard... |
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Post by atgs on Dec 3, 2009 8:30:35 GMT -5
You for got the international before the superstar
Exactly. There's a double standard, nobody thought it was worth making it news because it was natural she was censored. Now a guy is censored and everyone makes news about it and the guy even screams "women have been doing it all along and they're allowed to".
Once again, women are the discriminated ones. Pink suffered the consequences, but the media could have cared less for her. But now they all come in defense of the gay guy.
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Post by lefil001 on Dec 3, 2009 8:42:02 GMT -5
^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness. people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive. all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind. Get real. Being openly gay is a career disadvantage. That's why most gay singers and actors stay closeted. Once again, women are the discriminated ones. Pink suffered the consequences, but the media could have cared less for her. But now they all come in defense of the gay guy. What, did Pink get banned from a TV channel for it? |
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Post by atgs on Dec 3, 2009 8:55:48 GMT -5
Maybe more than one channel. She wasn't on TV the months after her performance. Adam will be.
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Post by folkfan on Dec 3, 2009 8:58:40 GMT -5
That might be your recollection, moodswings, but all of the news reports from that time say that it was blocked on the East Coast, as well as the West Coast. You wouldn't happen to live near Canada, do you? Maybe you saw the Canadian feed.
And there would have been complaints to the FCC if it had aired. The Parents Television Counsel complained to the FCC about Nicole Richie saying f*ck (something that was aired on the East Coast and edited out for the West Coast) during that very same Billboard Awards show. That was a massive deal, and there would have been complaints and tons of press if they had also aired the Pink thing.
As to whether she suffered any consequences, she did barely any television appearances in 2004. Was that related to this or not? Who knows? Unless I see something indicating that she did this and got Fox in trouble and then Fox gave her performance slots within the next five weeks, I don't see a difference in treatment.
Besides, that was Fox and not ABC. Here, ABC/Disney got angry that Lambert inserted sexual content into a pre-rehearsed performance, that content aired, and then he said that he was proud that he inserted the materal and claimed discrimination when the only things edited out (the fake fallatio and shooting the bird) are things that could get them into trouble with the FCC.
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Post by when the pawn... on Dec 3, 2009 9:00:11 GMT -5
Great update today! Looks like this might be a slow climber but it'd be awesome if this could sneak into the top 10.
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Post by clarksodi on Dec 3, 2009 9:28:43 GMT -5
I can only compare this situation to Michael Jackson.
In the late 70s/early 80s, he didn't play into the fact that he was black. It made people uncomfortable, in fact. He downplayed it, chose to concentrate on the quality of his music and dancing instead of the "discrimination" he received for being black. His talent alone overshadowed any uncomfortable feelings and he overcame the whole stigma of being a black superstar. Everyone embraced him because of his talent
We now have Adam, who is playing into the fact he's gay. Homosexuality clearly makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Instead of attempting to bypass the "gay stigma", he adds to it, chooses to use it as his selling point, and forgets about presenting the quality of his music / talent. If people are uncomfortable with a gay male superstar, and you present no way for the masses to get past it, I don't understand what expectations he has.
He should try to follow MJ's footsteps with social stigmas. Tone down the homosexuality. Concentrate on the artistry. Help people realize that he is not a gay singer, and the he is a singer who is gay instead. Music first.
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Post by lefil001 on Dec 3, 2009 10:00:02 GMT -5
Besides, that was Fox and not ABC. Here, ABC/Disney got angry that Lambert inserted sexual content into a pre-rehearsed performance, that content aired, and then he said that he was proud that he inserted the materal and claimed discrimination when the only things edited out (the fake fallatio and shooting the bird) are things that could get them into trouble with the FCC. Let's just talk about the man on man faux bj move (because ABC didn't seem to care about the fact that he did the EXACT SAME MOVE with a female dancer moments after he did it with the male dancer). If the faux bj move was obscene because it was sexual (not because it was gay or homosexual) then ANYTHING on that stage that was sexual should have been cited as obscene and offensive and in that case there are other performances that night that should also be deemed offensive and obscene by virtue of their performances all of which took place BEFORE 10pm central and pacific time. If you really think that homophobia, heterosexism and bias against displays of sexuality that are overly gay isn't behind ABC's overreaction, you are willifully blind. Even the "offended parties" who officially complained about Adam's performance admitted that they were NOT trying to have him blacklisted or anything of the sort. Quote from Access Hollywood interview with Parents Television Council, Dan Isett, Director of Public Policy "The idea that he should be scrubbed from TV completely is not where we're going. It may be a bit of an overreaction on ABC's part. The important thing is that networks have the easy ability to air on a delay to prevent this sort of thing." |
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Post by caitlin1974 on Dec 3, 2009 10:02:56 GMT -5
Most of these spins, like the Atlanta spin, are just test spins. It's going to be a while before the Atlanta station plays the song again. It was just part of the new music segment, where they ask people to text in their thoughts about the song. They did the same thing with FYE, they played it twice during this segment weeks ago, and never played it again. The other top 40 station in Atlanta will probably play and add the song before WSTR does. RCA is scrambling, Adam now has two hosting gigs lined up for Jingle Balls, he's hosting the Z100 concert. I guess that's the cost of getting them to spin the song 5 or more times a day. Z100 is spinning this song because Adam is a superstar. It has got nothing to do with radio politics. Which of course is why they played FYE so much. Adam hasn't achieved a heck of a lot yet, so I think we should calm down on the superstar talk, especially when FYE bombed faster than a song has ever bombed before. Adam is being treated just like any new artist, which RCA has realized, which is why the label did everything they could to get him into the Jingle Ball. |
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Post by rellybois on Dec 3, 2009 10:12:23 GMT -5
Adam's appearances on Jimmy Kimmel and Dick Clark's NYE have been cancelled due to FCC pressure on ABC. That is absurd. ABC has gone way overboard and has just revealed themselves to be vindictive. |
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Post by atgs on Dec 3, 2009 10:15:14 GMT -5
I think Rodze was being sarcastic.
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Post by P!nkch TheO™ on Dec 3, 2009 10:19:29 GMT -5
Nice update, today!
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Post by central80 on Dec 3, 2009 10:35:40 GMT -5
^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness. people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive. all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind.this song is proof that being gay has so little to do with it. A radio friendly song by Pink and Max Martin being successful on radio? SHOCKING. it doesnt even matter that hes gay. if he were straight, it would do well too. Chris Brown is having performances cancelled too from networks being pressured. is he being discriminated against too? No, tv is just trying to maintain good ratings as always. those are people's jobs you know. and yet people want to sympathize for some guy who won second play on the top talent show in the world? HAHAAHA thats a joke. so much word to the bolded. the people are tiring of the rationalizations and flimsy excuses for the fallout from adam's colossal lack of judgment and taste on the ama's. the performance would still have been awful w/o the simulated fellatio, which everyone tends to forget. abc is within their rights to do what they did... adam and rca and 19e got too big for their britches, and in adam's overweening arrogance and juvenile need for attention, he has done himself no favors, and garnered no sympathy from many quarters. he screwed up, and has to now man up and take it... and now his ott fans have the audacity in other sites to try and equate what is going on w/abc to rosa parks and the civil rights movement ???... pleez... putting her name and lambert's in the same sentence is blasphemy. her method of handling real and brutal discrimination was far more classy, and it's insulting for those fans to even go there. |
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Post by MyLastView on Dec 3, 2009 10:45:26 GMT -5
All this discrimination is really pisisng me off. I would say 'I can't believe this', but sadly enough, it's entirely in the nature of small-minded corporates these days..
Anyway, I am glad this is doing well thus far. Deserves to be a hit..great song and great album overall.
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Post by atgs on Dec 3, 2009 10:50:39 GMT -5
How can we call gay discrimination if the same happened to Pink who is not gay?
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Post by lefil001 on Dec 3, 2009 11:11:59 GMT -5
How can we call gay discrimination if the same happened to Pink who is not gay? Did FOX cancel her appearances on their shows because of her performance? Please provide some evidence. |
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Post by caitlin1974 on Dec 3, 2009 11:28:28 GMT -5
How can we call gay discrimination if the same happened to Pink who is not gay? Did FOX cancel her appearances on their shows because of her performance? Please provide some evidence. What apperance? Was she scheduled to do something else on Fox after this incident happened? I think the point is that the image was censored, and that people were upset about it, just like they got upset about what Adam did. And can we please stop saying this is about the kiss. ABC didn't censor the kiss, even though ratings hungry CBS did. There were other things in the act besides the kiss that has ABC scared that the FCC is going to come down on them. (No pun intended) I'm pretty sure that Adam isn't going to dig into his pockets to cover any fines. ABC is just trying to protect themselves. |
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Post by Kworb on Dec 3, 2009 11:32:59 GMT -5
Wasn't that also the awards show where Nicole Richie cursed on live television? I think there was outrage about that as well. And that's pretty much the same as flipping the bird (which Adam also did).
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