Adam Lambert - Whataya Want From Me

[atgs]

Wasn't that also the awards show where Nicole Richie cursed on live television? I think there was outrage about that as well. And that's pretty much the same as flipping the bird (which Adam also did).

Yeah, it was.

Did FOX cancel her appearances on their shows because of her performance? Please provide some evidence

I don't know if she scheduled to do something there and it was cancelled, but she didn't appear there for a while, or anywhere else on TV.

[moodswings]

Dec 3, 2009 8:58:40 GMT -5 folkfan said:

That might be your recollection, moodswings, but all of the news reports from that time say that it was blocked on the East Coast, as well as the West Coast. You wouldn't happen to live near Canada, do you? Maybe you saw the Canadian feed.

And there would have been complaints to the FCC if it had aired. The Parents Television Counsel complained to the FCC about Nicole Richie saying f*ck (something that was aired on the East Coast and edited out for the West Coast) during that very same Billboard Awards show. That was a massive deal, and there would have been complaints and tons of press if they had also aired the Pink thing.

As to whether she suffered any consequences, she did barely any television appearances in 2004. Was that related to this or not? Who knows? Unless I see something indicating that she did this and got Fox in trouble and then Fox gave her performance slots within the next five weeks, I don't see a difference in treatment.

Besides, that was Fox and not ABC. Here, ABC/Disney got angry that Lambert inserted sexual content into a pre-rehearsed performance, that content aired, and then he said that he was proud that he inserted the materal and claimed discrimination when the only things edited out (the fake fallatio and shooting the bird) are things that could get them into trouble with the FCC.

No, I lived in Pennsylvania at the time. Nowhere near Canada. Now where are all these media reports that say it was censored on the east coast? It was not. How could I have possibly known to go look for it if it had been censored on the east coast??

This is ridiculous. I know what I saw.

And the difference in treatment is that there was NO public outcry, no media backlash, nothing. All anyone could dig up was that one tiny blurb from who-knows-where.

[Kworb]

I wish I could still clearly remember the things I saw on TV many years ago. Your memory is awesome.

[moodswings]

What are you trying to say, Kworb? That I'm making this up? Once again, how would I have known what to look for if I hadn't seen it on my TV? NOT CENSORED. Period.

[atgs]

How could I have possibly known to go look for it

This Pink video has been mentioned before for the past weeks since that AMA performance. Maybe you read about it somewhere?

And the difference in treatment is that there was NO public outcry, no media backlash, nothing.

The difference in treatment is that people just accepted it being censored, and now many are cryong "homophobia".

NOT CENSORED. Period.

It was censored. There is evidence of it.

[moodswings]

atgs, can you please post your proof that it was censored on the east coast?

I'm not appreciating what several of you are insinuating about me right now.

[lefil001]

Dec 3, 2009 11:28:28 GMT -5 caitlin1974 said:

Dec 3, 2009 11:11:59 GMT -5 lefil001 said:

Did FOX cancel her appearances on their shows because of her performance? Please provide some evidence.

What apperance? Was she scheduled to do something else on Fox after this incident happened? I think the point is that the image was censored, and that people were upset about it, just like they got upset about what Adam did.

And can we please stop saying this is about the kiss. ABC didn't censor the kiss, even though ratings hungry CBS did. There were other things in the act besides the kiss that has ABC scared that the FCC is going to come down on them. (No pun intended)
I'm pretty sure that Adam isn't going to dig into his pockets to cover any fines. ABC is just trying to protect themselves.

Does he really deserve to be banned from a TV channel? I donft get it. They are acting like he molested a child or something. Even the FCC has said that ABC is over-reacting. It doesn't make sense why they wouldn't even let him on a very late night show that is taped, not live. There's really no risk for them, at least for Kimmel.

[jink]

Dec 3, 2009 7:21:57 GMT -5 @justfloating said:

^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness.
people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive.
all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind.
this song is proof that being gay has so little to do with it. A radio friendly song by Pink and Max Martin being successful on radio? SHOCKING. it doesnt even matter that hes gay. if he were straight, it would do well too.
Chris Brown is having performances cancelled too from networks being pressured. is he being discriminated against too?
No, tv is just trying to maintain good ratings as always. those are people's jobs you know.
and yet people want to sympathize for some guy who won second play on the top talent show in the world? HAHAAHA thats a joke.

That alone pretty much proves that you have a personal agenda.

[vandj4ever]

It would have been so much simpler if they'd (RCA/19E/Adam) just kept it about music from the start.

I'm not really a fan but the best thing to do is let this ABC thing go. It'll die down eventually and then he may be invited back after some months have passed. All this constant conversation does is put off people who are tired of hearing about this and want it to all go away. And yeah, I realize ABC set it off again. They should have just announced every appearance had been canceled last week rather then delay the news. But dragging Pink into this isn't helping anyone.

RCA has arranged to have his new single spun on the largest stations. Fans need to re-focus attention on his music if they really want to help him. Not feed the ABC/AMA news cycle.

[atgs]

atgs, can you please post your proof that it was censored on the east coast?

I was talking about the performance being censored, not one time zone specifically. Although, this article written at the time makes it sound like they didn't air it anywhere. There is also discussion in message boards at the time about it not airing.

But what difference does it make if it aired on the east coast? It was censored and Pink didn't go on TV shows after that performance... for like a year.
Adam at least gets to be on other channels...

[grey]

Dec 3, 2009 7:21:57 GMT -5 @justfloating said:

^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness.
people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive.
all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind.
this song is proof that being gay has so little to do with it. A radio friendly song by Pink and Max Martin being successful on radio? SHOCKING. it doesnt even matter that hes gay. if he were straight, it would do well too.
Chris Brown is having performances cancelled too from networks being pressured. is he being discriminated against too?
No, tv is just trying to maintain good ratings as always. those are people's jobs you know.
and yet people want to sympathize for some guy who won second play on the top talent show in the world? HAHAAHA thats a joke.

[grey]

Dec 3, 2009 8:55:48 GMT -5 atgs said:

What, did Pink get banned from a TV channel for it?

Maybe more than one channel. She wasn't on TV the months after her performance. Adam will be.

This discrimination argument has gotten so old.
Move on.
He effed up royally, acted arrogant and unapologetic about it. Repurcussions resulted, and now he's suddenly become contrite.
But everything that's happened to poor Adam since then is due to discrimination. Puhlease.
The sad thing is WWFM is a decent song. I find myself humming it. Will I buy it? Nope.

[Kworb]

Dec 3, 2009 11:46:19 GMT -5 moodswings said:

What are you trying to say, Kworb? That I'm making this up? Once again, how would I have known what to look for if I hadn't seen it on my TV? NOT CENSORED. Period.

I am just admiring your memory, it wasn't an attack.

[moodswings]

Okay, I have one last thing to say about the Pink issue and then I'm done. Maybe she wasn't on TV for a year, but is there any evidence whatsoever that she was banned? Did the FCC get involved? Was there any media backlash? A public outcry? No. And sorry, but that one little blurb you guys keep posting proves nothing about censorship on the east coast.

Adam did the same thing six years later and is being absolutely raked over the coals. Really, ABC?

What the Pink thing proves is that Adam was right. There is absolutely a double standard when it comes to sexual performances. Women do it, no big deal. A gay man does the same thing? Pretty damn big deal.

And now I'm done talking about this.

[atgs]

Moodswings, I'm sorry. But I believe articles and posts written at the time more than someone's memory 6 years after the fact. There is not one thing that points to the performance airing.
If her performance didn't air it is natural that FCC didn't get involved. She released the album on November 2003, and she didn't go on TV during 2004? Isn't that strange?

Plus, we don't know yet what FFC has done or will do in Adam's case, do we?

What the Pink thing proves is that Adam was right. There is absolutely a double standard when it comes to sexual performances. Women do it, no big deal. A gay man does the same thing? Pretty damn big deal.

You are ignoring the facts. She was censored! Censored. How can you say it wasn't a big deal or that there's a double standard?
It doesn't make any sense. The only difference is that at the time Pink didn't get any support from media and now Adam is getting.

[blue in moonlight]

Can we take this tired AMA/ABC drivel to the FYE thread where it belongs?

[moodswings]

atgs, I may be a lot of things, but I am not a liar. Once again, where are all these articles and posts written at the time? Please show me. All I've seen is that one tiny blurb that pretty much says nothing.

I'm not ignoring any facts. And I'm tired of defending myself here. Done.

[atgs]

atgs, I may be a lot of things, but I am not a liar.

Who said you are a liar? People get confused, it's ok and natural. Pink has performed on TV a few times.

Once again, where are all these articles and posts written at the time

I found a link to this. The first post talks about it being censored and the last post is
The censoring was kind of pointless. I doubt Pink was doing anything that risky.
If the performance had aired this person would have known what Pink did, but they didn't, they just knew the performance didn't air because it was censored.

[brb]

Dec 3, 2009 8:42:02 GMT -5 lefil001 said:

Get real. Being openly gay is a career disadvantage. That's why most gay singers and actors stay closeted.

True, but that's a problem. When it comes to accepting gay people the US is still in the 19 century. Where I live gays can marry, an openly lesbian singer just got the singer of the year title in the top station, etc. In the US, Adam took a huge risk when he came out and that is affecting his career, and ABC have really crossed a line here.

Also, let's say Pink's performance was cencored. After Timberlake\Jackson, all of those shows were supposed to be aired a couple of minutes later, weren't they? It was ABC's responsibility to make sure the right parts are cencored, not Adam's so they can only blame themselves for airing that imo.

[rellybois]

Dec 3, 2009 7:21:57 GMT -5 @justfloating said:

^that makes him shallow and superficial if he toned down his gayness.
people once again are just trying to use this as something bigger than it is. Newsflash, being gay is controversial and not a part of evolution. Man has to reproduce to survive.
all he is doing is trying to profit off of being gay. if he is successful, it is because he's so great and talented and if he fails its because he is gay. make up your mind.
this song is proof that being gay has so little to do with it. A radio friendly song by Pink and Max Martin being successful on radio? SHOCKING. it doesnt even matter that hes gay. if he were straight, it would do well too.
Chris Brown is having performances cancelled too from networks being pressured. is he being discriminated against too?
No, tv is just trying to maintain good ratings as always. those are people's jobs you know.
and yet people want to sympathize for some guy who won second play on the top talent show in the world? HAHAAHA thats a joke.

You may have had a valid point here, but this post is disgusting

[lulu1001]

Dec 3, 2009 9:28:43 GMT -5 clarksodi said:

He should try to follow MJ's footsteps with social stigmas. Tone down the homosexuality. Concentrate on the artistry. Help people realize that he is not a gay singer, and the he is a singer who is gay instead. Music first.

This is an excellent point. minds change when they're ready to change and part of making that happen is showing people that you're just as talented as the next person no matter that you're in some way 'different.' But you're spot on - Adam has used his sexuality to garner publicity and to attract attention (coming out on the cover of Rolling Stone, for example).

Once you force people to deal with your sexuality, some of them will react in a way you don't like. Witness the bigoted post upthread about evolution.

Adam needs to start acting like a newbie with less than stellar sales and work to earn people's respect for his music.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

Dec 3, 2009 13:08:11 GMT -5 brb said:

True, but that's a problem. When it comes to accepting gay people the US is still in the 19 century. Where I live gays can marry, an openly lesbian singer just got the singer of the year title in the top station, etc. In the US, Adam took a huge risk when he came out and that is affecting his career, and ABC have really crossed a line here.

Also, let's say Pink's performance was cencored. After Timberlake\Jackson, all of those shows were supposed to be aired a couple of minutes later, weren't they? It was ABC's responsibility to make sure the right parts are cencored, not Adam's so they can only blame themselves for airing that imo.

Wait, hold up. So ABC is the only party to blame because some technician in a booth didn't move to a different camera angle fast enough when Adam went totally off-book and shoved a dancers face in his crotch? It's not at all Adam's fault for not sticking to his rehearsed performance? Artists should be free to do whatever the hell they want on stage and if the guys up in the booth aren't quick enough to catch it in the delay then the network deserves scorn and potential FCC fines? No, I don't think so.

Yes, there is a delay, but you also have to take into consideration that live shows, with multiple cameras and camera angles, recording a live performance where the performer is not sticking to the rehearsed choreography is hard to edit, even with the delay. These are humans at the controls, not robots. When I watched the performance from the east coast feed on youtube I noticed that the editing was really wonky. They were trying to switch to non-objectionable camera angles, but it was clear they had no idea what Adam was going to do next. So you have a strangely bleeped out part of the song, a quick cut to the audience, an accidental close-up on the crotch-face shot, a wide shot on the finger flip, a close-up on the kiss--all very erratic. They tried. Didn't all work out for them.

As for Pink, she was censored too. Why didn't it receive as much attention? Probably because Pink didn't talk about it right after the performance, saying that if she was censored it would constitute "discrimination." When Adam was asked by those reporters, "what if you get censored?" right after his performance, he could have said, "I understand that; it was a pretty outrageous performance." Instead he cried "discrimination," which is untrue. Artists have been getting censored for years on broadcast TV for doing inappropriate-for-primetime performances. Both male and female.

[Sarah.]

Dec 3, 2009 12:11:35 GMT -5 grey said:

Dec 3, 2009 8:55:48 GMT -5 atgs said:

Maybe more than one channel. She wasn't on TV the months after her performance. Adam will be.

This discrimination argument has gotten so old.
Move on.
He effed up royally, acted arrogant and unapologetic about it. Repurcussions resulted, and now he's suddenly become contrite.
But everything that's happened to poor Adam since then is due to discrimination. Puhlease.
The sad thing is WWFM is a decent song. I find myself humming it. Will I buy it? Nope.

Um, Adam is far from arrogant. Unapologetic? He has nothing to apologize for.
Geez, I don't think people are homophobes, but maybe they're prudes...
Some people should get out more if you think what he did was so "gross"..

[grey]

Dec 3, 2009 16:44:32 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

Dec 3, 2009 12:11:35 GMT -5 grey said:

This discrimination argument has gotten so old.
Move on.
He effed up royally, acted arrogant and unapologetic about it. Repurcussions resulted, and now he's suddenly become contrite.
But everything that's happened to poor Adam since then is due to discrimination. Puhlease.
The sad thing is WWFM is a decent song. I find myself humming it. Will I buy it? Nope.

Um, Adam is far from arrogant. Unapologetic? He has nothing to apologize for.
Geez, I don't think people are homophobes, but maybe they're prudes...
Some people should get out more if you think what he did was so "gross"..

Ok, I'll pass your opinion along to the FCC, and the children who also watched.

[Sarah.]

Dec 3, 2009 17:31:34 GMT -5 grey said:

Dec 3, 2009 16:44:32 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

Um, Adam is far from arrogant. Unapologetic? He has nothing to apologize for.
Geez, I don't think people are homophobes, but maybe they're prudes...
Some people should get out more if you think what he did was so "gross"..

Ok, I'll pass your opinion along to the FCC, and the children who also watched.

Okay...
I'm 15 and I took no offense to it. I doubt littler kids would be watching it if it was around 11:00pm on a school night. The media really blew this up.

[jumpupandburst]

i really like this song and he did a good job singing this on the ellen show. great song to chart early in his career. (although he's been singing for awhile now).

as for the ama performance, i think he's right in that there's a double standard going around. nobody even said anything about rihanna's display of guns or gaga's smashing of glasses.

[Sarah.]

Dec 3, 2009 19:26:36 GMT -5 jumpupandburst said:

i really like this song and he did a good job singing this on the ellen show. great song to chart early in his career. (although he's been singing for awhile now).

as for the ama performance, i think he's right in that there's a double standard going around. nobody even said anything about rihanna's display of guns or gaga's smashing of glasses.

In America, violence is okay, just not sexual things. ;)

RT is at +26 right now. :]

[tony]

Dec 3, 2009 11:46:19 GMT -5 moodswings said:

What are you trying to say, Kworb? That I'm making this up? Once again, how would I have known what to look for if I hadn't seen it on my TV? NOT CENSORED. Period.

Access Hollywood says you're wrong.

[jumpupandburst]

Dec 3, 2009 19:31:24 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

In America, violence is okay, just not sexual things. ;)

RT is at +26 right now. :]

didn't MJ grab his crotch several times in his career. a lot of other musical performers show a lot of sexuality too. just look at some MVs from so rap videos too.

[Sarah.]

Dec 3, 2009 20:31:14 GMT -5 jumpupandburst said:

Dec 3, 2009 19:31:24 GMT -5 Sarah. said:

In America, violence is okay, just not sexual things. ;)

RT is at +26 right now. :]

didn't MJ grab his crotch several times in his career. a lot of other musical performers show a lot of sexuality too. just look at some MVs from so rap videos too.

Yeah I know...it's ridiculous. But whatever, I'm over it. :)