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Post by jamrock16 on Jan 31, 2010 23:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by musicjunky318 on Jan 31, 2010 23:41:33 GMT -5
OMG tell Queen Liz I said hey girl.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 23:41:43 GMT -5
How is GaGa's album better than Taylor(other than personal opinions). Taylor won the Grammy, has better reviews, higher sales(here in the states), and a better metacritic score...
So how is The Fame better than Fearless? Where is it set in stone? Because to me, Fearless was pretty popular with the critics and media-alike(beating GaGa, Beyonce, Britney, Pink, Kelly,ect)?
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Post by tsw2008 on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:03 GMT -5
But how do you define *quality* in a way that's not biased ? Popularity reflects quality, it's the only fair way to define what's good. You might not think Taylor Swift's album is quality but millions of people did. The average person has no idea what constitutes good music, of any genre. and now you're starting to sound like a gray pony tailed snob. |
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Post by PDC1987 on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:26 GMT -5
Congratulations Taylor Swift now please go away now. Love you but I really wanted Lady Gaga to get that one. On the plus side WOOHOO for Colbie! Don't think Taylor is going away anytime soon. If anything,this best album win shows that she's got both popular and critical support on her side. Grammys do not equal critical support. The Grammys are viewed as a joke by music historians and music critics not on the payroll of major magazines vying for the attention millions of average readers. |
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Post by Minimalism on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:37 GMT -5
Then why wasn't Miranda Lambert nominated instead if they needed a space for country? She would have benefitted from the awards, surely. I know right? :'( The nominations this year are particularly awful! I guess they were going for the rating? |
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Post by maria4hitz on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:41 GMT -5
But how do you define *quality* in a way that's not biased ? Popularity reflects quality, it's the only fair way to define what's good. You might not think Taylor Swift's album is quality but millions of people did. The average person has no idea what constitutes good music, of any genre. That depends on every person. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:48 GMT -5
Pink was the highlight among the performers.
Taylor Swift was no surprise as Album of the Year, as it was a good album that is safe and a large commercial success. We well know that NARAS isn't about honoring the absolute best- hence the nicknames over the years (Shammys, Grannies, etc.)
Beyonce's performance was,,, peculiar. Why do "if I Were a Boy," and then mix in Alanis? Maybe if she had been there, it would have been more effective.
Stevie Nicks is great, but no the best pair-up with Swift.
Mary J. and Andrea did well- they're becoming a regular duo, aren't they?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:50 GMT -5
Well in that case, they got it totally right. The other four are all 2/5 affairs at best I would give Taylor's 3/5, so I ain't complaining.  :dead at Taylor's mindless drivel being better than anything. You need to learn that quality is subjective. Just because you think the album is terrible doesn't make it fact. Clearly, the majority would actually disagree with you. |
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Post by Typo on Jan 31, 2010 23:42:54 GMT -5
Gaga was furious! lmao
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Jan 31, 2010 23:43:21 GMT -5
GaGa face was effing PRICELESS!!!! I missed this :o Someone upload a GIF!  Anyways, I love GaGa and her 2 awards were well deserved. They shoulda televised Best Dance Recording.  |
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Post by galvanize on Jan 31, 2010 23:43:23 GMT -5
Don't think Taylor is going away anytime soon. If anything,this best album win shows that she's got both popular and critical support on her side. Grammys do not equal critical support. The Grammys are viewed as a joke by music historians and music critics not on the payroll of major magazines vying for the attention millions of average readers. Jethro Tull winning Best Metal Performance over Metallica and Milli Vanilli winning Best New Artist is evidence of this. |
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Post by tsw2008 on Jan 31, 2010 23:43:36 GMT -5
music critics are irrelevant. No one gives a shit what they have to say. We are in a digital age where thankfully we don't have to rely on baised reviews written by complete snobs.
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Post by starr on Jan 31, 2010 23:43:45 GMT -5
Gaga's reaction to not winning is the talk of Twitter conversations!
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Post by Illusions on Jan 31, 2010 23:44:01 GMT -5
I wonder how the Grammy's did in the ratings this year. I'm kind of hoping it did horrible.
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Post by starr on Jan 31, 2010 23:44:55 GMT -5
Kanye was a trending topic on Twitter for most of the night because people wanted to see someone shake up the Grammys.
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Post by PDC1987 on Jan 31, 2010 23:45:31 GMT -5
The average person has no idea what constitutes good music, of any genre. and now you're starting to sound like a gray pony tailed snob. Or someone with taste. Am I supposed to believe that Taylor Swift's albums are better pieces of music than the most recent albums from everyone from MGMT to Fleet Foxes to Vampire Weekend and even other mainstream acts like Lady Gaga and Pink simply because they sold more? Please. |
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Post by starr on Jan 31, 2010 23:45:45 GMT -5
GaGa face was effing PRICELESS!!!! I missed this :o Someone upload a GIF! Anyways, I love GaGa and her 2 awards were well deserved. They shoulda televised Best Dance Recording. Gaga should have went to the Grammy pre-telecast like Taylor Swift and Maxwell did to receive their first Grammys. |
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Post by rellybois on Jan 31, 2010 23:46:32 GMT -5
 at you calling KOL alternative or artsy Uh-that is exactly how the Grammys are classifying them. Were they classified under pop? I didn't realize that. Can someone send me the link to the nominations? I had no idea they were in the pop categories. I guess the Grammys DON'T see them as alternative or rock. Thanks for the attempted snark, but your post attempted to convey them as non-mainstream or non-popular, which is absurd. |
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Post by ΣGØ.©[/IMG] on Jan 31, 2010 23:47:19 GMT -5
Eh, album of the year wins are always a let down.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 31, 2010 23:48:01 GMT -5
music critics are irrelevant. No one gives a s**t what they have to say. We are in a digital age where thankfully we don't have to rely on baised reviews written by complete snobs. Okay then. So if it's not based on reviews, or sales, or personal preference, or awards, how is someone supposed to say that an album is or isn't "quality?" What other criteria is there to determine quality of an album?? There's no indication that Taylor's cd isn't both quality and popular. And, clearly, she's won every industry award with this album, which accounts for something. Fearless is an incredible album, and all four Grammys were well deserved tonight! |
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Post by PDC1987 on Jan 31, 2010 23:48:40 GMT -5
music critics are irrelevant. No one gives a s**t what they have to say. We are in a digital age where thankfully we don't have to rely on baised reviews written by complete snobs. You can take your "snob" cop out and throw it at someone else. Music doesn't have to be serious or not radio friendly to be good. Taylor is just on the polar end of commercial drivel. |
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Post by tsw2008 on Jan 31, 2010 23:50:26 GMT -5
music critics are irrelevant. No one gives a s**t what they have to say. We are in a digital age where thankfully we don't have to rely on baised reviews written by complete snobs. Okay then. So if it's not based on reviews, or sales, or personal preference, or awards, how is someone supposed to say that an album is or isn't "quality?" What other criteria is there to determine quality of an album?? There's no indication that Taylor's cd isn't both quality and popular. And, clearly, she's won every industry award with this album, which accounts for something. Fearless is an incredible album, and all four Grammys were well deserved tonight! lol I agree with you. It should be based on sales and I think Grammy's are finally starting to wake up. This year's show was very commercial and that's what it should be all about. Awarding artists that are actually popular and relevant. |
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Post by PDC1987 on Jan 31, 2010 23:50:54 GMT -5
Grammys do not equal critical support. The Grammys are viewed as a joke by music historians and music critics not on the payroll of major magazines vying for the attention millions of average readers. Jethro Tull winning Best Metal Performance over Metallica and Milli Vanilli winning Best New Artist is evidence of this. And Celine Dion winning an AOTY Grammy, and A Taste Of Honey beating out Elvis Costello for BNA. |
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Post by galvanize on Jan 31, 2010 23:51:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised Shania's Come On Over only won 2 awards back in '98/99 despite the fact that it was 3X as big as Fearless and without any childish lyrics (still ridiculous lyrics though, but it's Shania).
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Post by Rurry on Jan 31, 2010 23:51:52 GMT -5
People need to chill here. Fearless was pretty obviously the 'album of the year' critically and commercially. What do you want them base it on, the opinions of people on Pulse?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 31, 2010 23:52:00 GMT -5
No one's ever had to rely on "snobbish" music critics; that's why we have ears. Critics hear a lot more music than the average person and usually are more schooled in music.
Anyhow, people who like to diss critics usually do so because their favorite act(s) aren't highly regarded. But of course you should enjoy what you enjoy. I like some non-critical favorites, yet I know that they're not GREAT artists (Olivia Newton-John, Kylie Minogue, Air Supply, to name a few).
The Grammys have never been about honoring acts with big critical success. Sometimes, yeah, nominees and winners have been acts who were highly regarded. But a lot of times, not the case. It's not "Best Album of the Year," just "Album of the Year." What's made some of the many nominees and winners through the years "Album of the Year," who knows.
Fearless did well, critically, but it was not anywhere near being one of the big critical hits of this year or last. The Pazz-N-Jop polls (and Acclaimed Music, which hasn't updated with 2009 and decade-end info) give a good indication of that kinda stuff (as it surveys hundreds of critics nationwide). As has been said a lot of times before, usually the best-received albums are by acts not selling loads of records. But sometimes, a successful mainstream act does well, critically.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 31, 2010 23:52:18 GMT -5
Okay then. So if it's not based on reviews, or sales, or personal preference, or awards, how is someone supposed to say that an album is or isn't "quality?" What other criteria is there to determine quality of an album?? There's no indication that Taylor's cd isn't both quality and popular. And, clearly, she's won every industry award with this album, which accounts for something. Fearless is an incredible album, and all four Grammys were well deserved tonight! lol I agree with you. It should be based on sales and I think Grammy's are finally starting to wake up. This year's show was very commercial and that's what it should be all about. Awarding artists that are actually popular and relevant. haha, I just realized I shouldn't have quoted you. It was more of a general response rather than a response directly to you. :) |
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Post by Justin. on Jan 31, 2010 23:52:19 GMT -5
People need to chill here. Fearless was pretty obviously the 'album of the year' critically and commercially. What do you want them base it on, the opinions of people on Pulse? +1 |
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Post by PDC1987 on Jan 31, 2010 23:53:33 GMT -5
Okay then. So if it's not based on reviews, or sales, or personal preference, or awards, how is someone supposed to say that an album is or isn't "quality?" What other criteria is there to determine quality of an album?? There's no indication that Taylor's cd isn't both quality and popular. And, clearly, she's won every industry award with this album, which accounts for something. Fearless is an incredible album, and all four Grammys were well deserved tonight! lol I agree with you. It should be based on sales and I think Grammy's are finally starting to wake up. This year's show was very commercial and that's what it should be all about. Awarding artists that are actually popular and relevant. If they want to do that they need to quit calling the awards "music's highest honor." And again, an act not being popular makes them irrelevant and not worthwhile? You realize that the vast majority of music genres/types and acts above a certain age are intentionally ignored by mainstream radio, right? |
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