Adam Lambert, "Whataya Want From Me" Hot100: #10!

[caitlin1974]

I don't think either David needed another hit because at the point their second singles were released both their albums had already made their respective labels a profit. I'm assuming on Cook's part based on his sales, but I talked to somebody who was involved with the label during ALTNOY's run and Jive had already made a profit off Archie by then.

This makes no sense to me. Daughtry's first album sold over 5 million copies, and the label released at least six singles. Given your logic, why didn't RCA say that's enough after the first two or three singles? The label is all about money, and will continue to release singles as long as an album continues to move, and as long as they are making a profit.

I don't know what will happen with Adam's third single or Kris' second, but I do know that the fate of those singles has nothing to do with what happened with Cook or Archie. I doubt that anyone would predict that Adam's first single would fail, that not something that has happened to too many AI alums.

[Kworb]

It costs a lot more to push a single after the previous one has underperformed. Radio is usually more willing to play the follow-up of a hit single, which means the label doesn't have to expend too much effort on those. Daughtry had hit after hit, but the Davids lost their momentum with their second singles (mainly because the songs were just lackluster). Releasing a third single for them would've been a costly operation, and the risk of underperforming again (given the overall subpar quality of both albums) was too great.

In Adam's case RCA has already turned a dire situation, where the first single was not only late but also a dud, into a very promising situation where the album is gold, the second single is a hit and a third single is anxiously awaited. Now they need to make sure he doesn't lose any momentum like the Davids did. I think a song like IIHY or Fever has more CHR potential than ALTNOY and CBTM, and that is really the only relevant difference.

[tinawina]

Feb 26, 2010 8:37:29 GMT -5 caitlin1974 said:

This makes no sense to me. Daughtry's first album sold over 5 million copies, and the label released at least six singles. Given your logic, why didn't RCA say that's enough after the first two or three singles? The label is all about money, and will continue to release singles as long as an album continues to move, and as long as they are making a profit.

Yeah, I get you. Its funny this should come up because just the other day I said elsewhere that I hate this kind of wording because it implies the label could have made more money but decided what they had was enough. And that is not true. I remember the first time someone said it that way on mjs (soundscene?) I argued with them because it made no sense to me, for the reasons you stated.

Bottom line, if the labels thought pushing the Davids' songs further would have made them more of a profit they would have done so. Someone crunched some numbers and decided it wasn't worth the risk, so the plug was pulled. That kind of thing happens whether someone has made a profit or not, that is why the wording is confusing.

BUT, there are instances where a label is in the hole and thinks there is hope (the remaining songs test well, the project hasn't lost an unrecoverable amount of momentum, the artist has enough name recognition or a good enough track record to think they can turn it around, etc) where the label will keep going past a flop single or tanking album sales. In those cases, someone crunched some numbers and concluded that it was worth the risk.

It just so happens that both Davids had turned a profit at the time they hit their flops. But it's not so much the label didn't NEED to continue to me, they just thought it wasn't worth it. If either had still been in the hole but the number crunching came out the same, the plug still would have been pulled. And there are many past idols who illustrate that example.

But I do think that is what soundscene and others were trying to say, its just worded in a confusing way to me. I'm sure they will correct me if I am making a wrong assumption.

As far as Adam is concerned, I would bet that several of those songs have tested well as potential singles. So I don't really think that he would get the plug pulled anytime soon. WWFM is getting some sales momentum and climbing the charts. If they can push it a little bit more if should end up doing well for them. Now if the rest of his songs didn't have big hit potential, it would be another story. I guess we'll see.

This is probably the longest post on here I've ever made. Heh.

[Ke$haStan]

Feb 25, 2010 21:39:12 GMT -5 Rurry said:

Feb 25, 2010 19:17:24 GMT -5 Ke$haStan said:

American Idol is loosing its credibilty. No one from last season went Top 10 on Pop. and this season it doesn't look like it will either. Jordin Sparks has fallen off the face of the planet and the hype around Kelly and Carrie is slowing down. Hoping for a better season this year!

LOL @ all of this. This entire post. You act like being top 10 on a single radio format is the only thing that matters. Archie and Cook sold well enough to warrant sophomore albums and they are still around and have strong fanbases 2 years after their season ended which is more than a lot of Idols can say for themselves so I think they're doing fine. Jordin Sparks has hardly "fallen off the face of the Earth", she JUST had a big hit a few months ago. And tell me exactly how Kelly and Carrie have slowed down? Sure Kelly has slowed down from her massive 2005 success but she's much more successful now than she was 2-3 years ago. As for Carrie she's as big as ever.

As for Kris and Adam, I think they're doing alright for themselves as well. Adam has pretty solid album sales and Kris has a nice-sized hit on his hands. So really...WTF are you talking about? I think you need to think a little before you post because half of your posts literally make no sense at all.

Oh and agree 100% with soundscene.

Feb 25, 2010 19:31:48 GMT -5 Ke$haStan said:

I suppose so, but LLWD and WWFM have had EXTREMLY similiar runs to LO and Crush on pop :( and theres 2nd singles did nothing!

this season has the potential to bring out the next Leona/Jordin/Kelly: Ashlee could have extremly similiar success to Jordin and I can see the girl who sung Alicia Keys being as big as Leona but also going as far as Kelly!

Explain to me how these songs peaking around the same area as Crush and LO have anything to do with how their follow-ups will perform?

Carrie is less successful than before same with Kelly. Jordin is nowhere to be seen on any chart even though her album isn't even a year old. And history repeats its self time and time again, thats the point I was trying to make. TO THE LEFT!

[central80]

that can be said of most artists right now - a recalibration of what you consider to be ''successful'' may be in order. very few artists are driving sales or maintaining the same kind of buzz and momentum they were just a few years ago... including the artist listed in your screenname... i'm not holding these three ladies to a different standard or measuring stick because they're alums of idol... matched up with their peers in the industry, they're basically in line with everyone else out there on the grind... no one stays hot forever, no career maintains the same momentum forever... there are peaks and valleys, ebbs and flows, and to not keep that in mind relative to the current state of the music industry is something that may need a push to the left, lol ;)

[tinawina]

Feb 26, 2010 10:25:14 GMT -5 Ke$haStan said:

Carrie is less successful than before same with Kelly. Jordin is nowhere to be seen on any chart even though her album isn't even a year old. And history repeats its self time and time again, thats the point I was trying to make. TO THE LEFT!

I actually think Carrie is one of the few idol alum who have not lost momentum. Her album sales are less than before mainly because the market was down, but she still had one of the best selling country albums every time she released. All her songs still hit the the top of the country charts 3 albums in. She just had a Christmas special on network TV for Christ's sake. LOL. Carrie is not slowing down at all.

You could probably argue that for Kelly, because she is nowhere near the Breakaway era album wise. But she is doing better than the My December era, and she's still a pop radio princess. So it is hard to call failure on her too. As stupid as it is, I bet if that chick lost weight the next time around she would be buzzed about once more.

With Jordin we'll have to see. But you may have a case there IMO.

Cant tell anything about the last 2 seasons until they release second albums.

But since this is the Adam thread, we probably shouldn't be talking about this anyway. LOL

[satanicfloret]

Feb 26, 2010 9:56:54 GMT -5 tinawina said:

As far as Adam is concerned, I would bet that several of those songs have tested well as potential singles. So I don't really think that he would get the plug pulled anytime soon. WWFM is getting some sales momentum and climbing the charts. If they can push it a little bit more if should end up doing well for them. Now if the rest of his songs didn't have big hit potential, it would be another story. I guess we'll see.

I think this is the reason why the 3rd single is up in the air at the moment. Certainly two or three have huge potential and I think the problem is choosing between them. Personally I'd love to see Fever if radio will take to it because of the pronoun. But IIHY is also a good choice and it has a killer radio hook so I think if it is the 3rd single, it should do well.

[krisella]

102 spins difference between "whataya want from me" and "whatcha say" now...hopefully he can pass it by saturday night to be #18 on the published chart bc i think "whatcha say" is losing 50 spins per day

[Rurry]

Feb 26, 2010 10:25:14 GMT -5 Ke$haStan said:

Feb 25, 2010 21:39:12 GMT -5 Rurry said:

LOL @ all of this. This entire post. You act like being top 10 on a single radio format is the only thing that matters. Archie and Cook sold well enough to warrant sophomore albums and they are still around and have strong fanbases 2 years after their season ended which is more than a lot of Idols can say for themselves so I think they're doing fine. Jordin Sparks has hardly "fallen off the face of the Earth", she JUST had a big hit a few months ago. And tell me exactly how Kelly and Carrie have slowed down? Sure Kelly has slowed down from her massive 2005 success but she's much more successful now than she was 2-3 years ago. As for Carrie she's as big as ever.

As for Kris and Adam, I think they're doing alright for themselves as well. Adam has pretty solid album sales and Kris has a nice-sized hit on his hands. So really...WTF are you talking about? I think you need to think a little before you post because half of your posts literally make no sense at all.

Oh and agree 100% with soundscene.



Explain to me how these songs peaking around the same area as Crush and LO have anything to do with how their follow-ups will perform?

Carrie is less successful than before same with Kelly. Jordin is nowhere to be seen on any chart even though her album isn't even a year old. And history repeats its self time and time again, thats the point I was trying to make. TO THE LEFT!

LOL, everyone reaches a point of peak success and then eventually falls a little but Kelly is still doing fine. Just because she isn't as massive as she was when she was the 'hot new thing' doesn't mean she's making Idol look bad. And Carrie is still scoring #1s on country radio and pushing millions with her albums so she's not doing any worse. So therefore, your point = FAIL.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

Tinawina: it makes perfect sense to me.

Cost vs. worth. It's basic business strategy. RCA and Jive are businesses, first and foremost. Will putting a lot into another single be worth it in the end? Will they make more income then they will lose in expenses? If they don't think it will, then they don't put a lot into a new single. Notice they did release second singles for both Davids. All I said is that they didn't put all that much work (or money) into either, so as to reduce the chance of expenses overtaking what money they could make.

I'm not sure how that's illogical.

So as for Adam, the label will put as much into him up until the point where they think the cost will be greater than the worth. I think that means pushing another single pretty hard.

[Rurry]

I think you are both saying basically the same thing, just wording it differently. The Davids had made enough profit by the time their second singles came out so the fact that the follow-ups underperformed wasn't a big deal, and since a profit had already been made, there wasn't much point in extending the era any further, and they had done enough that they could now just move on to the next project instead of trying for a 3rd single after the 2nd hadn't done as well. However, Kris and Adam probably won't have that same luxury so their follow-ups will need to do well in order for their labels to be happy.

[tinawina]

Feb 26, 2010 12:25:36 GMT -5 soundUPsceneDOWN said:

I'm not sure how that's illogical.

Its not illogical. I said your basic concept was correct. I just think the way you worded it could lead to confusion, because it sounds like you are putting the basis for the decision more on past profit than potential future revenue. LOL. Its not that important anyway. No offense meant.

Feb 26, 2010 12:31:02 GMT -5 Rurry said:

I think you are both saying basically the same thing, just wording it differently.

Exactly.

[lorib0711]

Feb 26, 2010 11:16:17 GMT -5 krisella said:

hopefully he can pass it by saturday night to be #18 on the published chart bc i think "whatcha say" is losing 50 spins per day

I said in an earlier post he will be #18 on the next published chart. He's not far from Whatcha say and others behind him are too far to catch up before Sunday.

I think radio will play Fever with the pronoun but not as the next single. I think the NY stations would play it now but not the smaller ones. I'd love to be wrong on that point. I do agree that having a hit single makes it easier for the next song to climb the charts.

[DiscoSchtick]

Someone should request the Nevins mix at open house party tonight. I'm pretty sure they have it.

[krisella]

FYE, the little song that could, is up from #8 to #6 on Billboard's Hot Dance Charts. the UK is gonna love this song and i think its gonna be very successful there. Adam said in his Vh1 interview that "If I had You" is most likely the next single after "Whataya want from me" and i think its a great radio friendly song.

[saga]

I wish someone would post the WWFM remixes, like they did with FYE last time. I heard the Fonzereli remix but would love to hear Brad Walsh (liked his FYE remix) and the Nevin remix.

[DiscoSchtick]

I'm sure someone will when they're allowed to.

[listen]

nvm

[sbp17]

That's the pic you chose to make your point? Not too flattering to me.

[overboard]

Feb 27, 2010 0:12:50 GMT -5 sbp17 said:

That's the pic you chose to make your point? Not too flattering to me.

This. Plus, I could post about a million pics of him that make him look really terrible.

Anyway, doesnt really matter. Attraction is subjective and discussing whether or not someone is good looking as a fact is... dumb.

[olivian]

I think Adam is gorgeous--he just has really beautiful features and bone structure--but looks are totally subjective. :) There's probably no person in the world who seems beautiful to everyone.

But yeah, he's really pretty. :) Although--his eyes are gorgeous, but a picture where someone's squishing their face on their arm probably isn't the best example of their attractiveness. I go with something more natural, like this (seriously, bone structure): s127.photobucket.com/albums/p150/sf_ebay/a1/bday/bday2/?action=view¤t=4e60b37b.jpg

Glad to see updates being more stable the last couple days. Hopefully the trend continues.

[SPRΞΞ]

you guys are soo gay. Adam is attractive. Period. Get over it.

[Kii]

He's actually a little fat and much too wide in the face/facial features for my taste. Certainly not my definition of attractive. Combine that with a pic like his album cover and you get a full trainwreck. Totally just my opinion, but yeah.

[mostlyharmless]

This discussion.
I personally find him attractive at moments and then others not so much. It depends on hair/level of makeup.

[DimWitty]

Aaccck- he's the most perfect creature ever created, mmm'kay?

[Kworb]

Published Reports

POP:
21 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 4107 3791 316 28.126
+51 Spins
+43 Bullet
+0.264 AI

HAC:
22 20 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1242 1031 211 6.345
+3 Spins
-38 Bullet
-0.022 AI

Top Stations

POP:
WHTZ New York 104 (-1)
WBLI Nassau-Suffolk 96 (+3)
KDLW Albuquerque 92 (-1)
KKRZ Portland, OR 82 (=)
KZHT Salt Lake City 79 (-3)

HAC:
KVLY McAllen 68 (-3)
WSJO Atlantic City 45 (-3)
KHMX Houston 40 (+1)
WDVD Detroit 38 (+1)
WTIC Hartford 37 (-2)

[lucytor]

Feb 27, 2010 7:11:51 GMT -5 DimWitty said:

Aaccck- he's the most perfect creature ever created, mmm'kay?

LOLOLOL!!!! You guys are insane. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think he's pretty.

[krisella]

lol id like for the people to think hes ugly to send in a picture of yourself and let us decide if your good-looking or not lol...and why r we talking about this in a radio thread haha...theres a reason he was on PEOPLE MAG'S most beautiful list :)

[KMJ1]

hes not good looking. He has horrible skin too, and I can tell he has an easy tendency to pile on the pounds.

[mostlyharmless]

Feb 27, 2010 11:13:45 GMT -5 KMJ1 said:

hes not good looking. He has horrible skin too, and I can tell he has an easy tendency to pile on the pounds.

Oh and I'm sure you're much better hon! ;)