Billboard Hot 100 - 03/20/2010

[HolidayGuy]

In most cases, the charts are all about timing- one reason why the long-haul run is sometimes more notable than peak position.

[Choco]

Mar 5, 2010 18:24:13 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

In most cases, the charts are all about timing- one reason why the long-haul run is sometimes more notable than peak position.

Yep. It's great when someone gets a #1 single, but I'd rather have a huge smash like 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' (#2, but it was arguably bigger than a lot of #1's), than a short-lived #1 like '3'.

[chopped89]

11. B.O.B - Nothin' On You f/Bruno Mars: 61.755 (+ 1.983) ¡ø

DAAAAAAAAAMN :) so happy for him....

[Au$tin]

Still not Hot Digital Songs this week? :( That's like four weeks in a row, right? Oh well. Hopefully next week, then.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Mar 5, 2010 20:07:45 GMT -5 Choco said:

Mar 5, 2010 18:24:13 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

In most cases, the charts are all about timing- one reason why the long-haul run is sometimes more notable than peak position.

Yep. It's great when someone gets a #1 single, but I'd rather have a huge smash like 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' (#2, but it was arguably bigger than a lot of #1's), than a short-lived #1 like '3'.

Actually, I'd rather have a short run #1 that made more money. Which ever song makes more money is the one that's bigger.

[SPRΞΞ]

money doesn't mean diddly-squat to me. That has NOTHING to do with what song is "bigger", imo. Maybe from a record label's perspective, but who cares about them anyways? What i care about is what i'm still listening to 5 years down the road.

[Osaka Sun]

Mar 5, 2010 18:24:13 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

In most cases, the charts are all about timing- one reason why the long-haul run is sometimes more notable than peak position.

[lugus15]

Mar 6, 2010 0:43:53 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

money doesn't mean diddly-squat to me. That has NOTHING to do with what song is "bigger", imo. Maybe from a record label's perspective, but who cares about them anyways? What i care about is what i'm still listening to 5 years down the road.

Funny you mention that.

It seems that most of the songs who had a reign of terror on the Billboard Hot 100 don't have lasting longevity (which maybe cuz they get burned by that same tight grip they had on the #1 position).

Who really has heard recently the following:

1) I Kissed a Girl (Hot'N'Cold is Katy Perry biggest hit: the one which still gets played at radio).

2) Baby Boy (Crazy In Love still gets played, but Baby Boy not so much).

3) Burn

4) Goodies

5) Candy Shop (which got really old really fast)

6) Gold Digger (I haven't heard this song in ages)

7) Bad Day (I think this one is really hated nowadays)

8) Promiscuous (practically all of Nelly Furtado's other hit singles have are more played today: I'm Like A Bird, Say It Right, Maneater...).

9) Crank That (this one is foul)

10) Low (the one song this one blocked endlessly from the #1: Apologize; is the one song who will be remembered years from now).

11) Foolish (Ashanti is mostly forgotten this days)

12) Family Affair (it's safe to say it's not the most remembered Mary J. Blige's song).

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13) But the most blatant example of all is: You Light Up My Life


Exceptions are:

1) Dilemma
2) Both Santana songs
3) Somewhat Irreplaceable
4) Both Boyz II Men songs
5) The Bodyguard song (actually most of the 90´s long charting songs, except the hideous Jump and Macarena: I still remember all those food commercials using this song)

Just my IMHO of course

[bks]

Mar 6, 2010 2:19:02 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Mar 6, 2010 0:43:53 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

money doesn't mean diddly-squat to me. That has NOTHING to do with what song is "bigger", imo. Maybe from a record label's perspective, but who cares about them anyways? What i care about is what i'm still listening to 5 years down the road.

Funny you mention that.

It seems that most of the songs who had a reign of terror on the Billboard Hot 100 don't have lasting longevity (which maybe cuz they get burned by that same tight grip they had on the #1 position).

Who really has heard recently the following:

1) I Kissed a Girl (Hot'N'Cold is Katy Perry biggest hit: the one which still gets played at radio).

2) Baby Boy (Crazy In Love still gets played, but Baby Boy not so much).

3) Burn

4) Goodies

5) Candy Shop (which got really old really fast)

6) Gold Digger (I haven't heard this song in ages)

7) Bad Day (I think this one is really hated nowadays)

8) Promiscuous (practically all of Nelly Furtado's other hit singles have are more played today: I'm Like A Bird, Say It Right, Maneater...).

9) Crank That (this one is foul)

10) Low (the one song this one blocked endlessly from the #1: Apologize; is the one song who will be remembered years from now).

11) Foolish (Ashanti is mostly forgotten this days)

12) Family Affair (it's safe to say it's not the most remembered Mary J. Blige's song).

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13) But the most blatant example of all is: You Light Up My Life


Exceptions are:

1) Dilemma
2) Both Santana songs
3) Somewhat Irreplaceable
4) Both Boyz II Men songs
5) The Bodyguard song (actually most of the 90´s long charting songs, except the hideous Jump and Macarena: I still remember all those food commercials using this song)

Just my IMHO of course

The longer a song hangs around on the chart the more "burn" it's likely to have which can make it not get played as much in the future.

However, a few of the one's mentioned below have held up very well with Low and Bad Day being two of the bigger recurrents.

It really can depend on where you live as to whether you are hearing a song a lot or not -- which might be why you are hearing Maneater more than say Promiscuous eventhough Maneater only got 11 spins last week vs. Promiscuous with 456.

In any event, I thought it would be interesting to take the songs mentioned in your post and put the spins / audience reach by each of them:

1) I Kissed a Girl 745 / 4.2 million vs Hot'N'Cold 2,961 / 18.7 million

2) Baby Boy 161 / 1.2 million vs. Crazy In Love 454 / 3.2 million

3) Burn 234 / 1.5 million

4) Goodies 302 / 1.8 million

5) Candy Shop 64 / 350,000

6) Gold Digger 654 / 4.3 million

7) Bad Day 1,116 / 8.3 million

8) Promiscuous 456 / 2.4 million vs. I'm Like A Bird 561 / 3.9 million vs. Say It Right 983 / 6.2 million vs. Maneater 11 / 35,000

9) Crank That 158 / 800,000

10) Low 1,255 / 8.4 million vs. Apologize 2,066 / 14.2 million

11) Foolish 237 / 2.2 million

12) Family Affair 449 / 3.4 million

13) You Light Up My Life 19 / 130,000


Exceptions are:

1) Dilemma 232 / 1.5 million
2) Smooth 990 / 7.9 million and Maria Maria 49 / 280,000
3) Irreplaceable 1,274 / 10.3 million
4) End Of The Road 206 / 1.2 million and I'll Make Love To You 433 / 3.3 million
5) I Will Always Love You 255 / 2.2 million vs Jump 55 / 500,000 and Macarena 9 / 39,000

[bks]

Had a little time to do some posting this morning so here's how Hot 100 Airplay is shaping up before recurrents are removed w/ 4 days left:

No. 1 - Young Money (-0.1 million)
No. 2 - Ke$ha (-5.3 million)
No. 3 - Lady Antebellum (+3.0 million)
No. 4 - Lady Gaga (-4.3 million)
No. 5 - Trey Sonz (-1.5 million)
No. 6 - Lady Gaga / Beyonce (+1.5 million)
No. 7 - Black Eyed Peas (+2.4 million)
No. 9 - Orianthi (+0.1 million)
No. 11 - B.O.B. (+5.1 million)
No. 12 - Timbaland / Drake (+0.8 million)
No. 13 - Rihanna (+7.8 million)
No. 14 - Timbaland / Justin Timberlake (+1.3 million)
No. 15 - Jason Derulo (+1.7 million)
No. 16 - Train (+2.3 million)
No. 17 - Kris Allen (+0.6 million)
No. 21 - Robin Thicke (+0.2 million)
No. 24 - Mary J. Blige (-1.2 million)
No. 25 - Alicia Keys (-2.0 million)
No. 28 - Ke$ha / 3OH!3 (+0.1 million)
No. 29 - Script (+0.4 million)
No. 31 - Michael Buble (+0.3 million)
No. 30 - Usher / Plies (+1.2 million)
No. 32 - Adam Lambert (+0.8 million)
No. 37 - Carrie Underwood (+1.9 million)
No. 40 - OneRepublic (+1.6 million)
No. 41 - Justin Bieber / Ludacris (-0.3 million)
No. 43 - Daughty (+0.6 million)
No. 47 - John Mayer (+1.0 million)
No. 50 - Jay Z / Swizz Beats (-0.2 million)
No. 51 - Monica (+0.4 million)
No. 55 - Trey Songs (+3.0 million) Neighbors Know My Name
No. 57 - Rob Thomas (-0.1 million)
No. 61 - Lifehouse (+0.6 million)
No. 64 - Taio Cruz / Ludacris (+2.2 million)
No. 65 - Sade (-0.2 million)
No. 71 - Gucci Mane (+1.2 million)
No. 73 - Taylor Swift (+0.6 million)
No. 78 - Usher / Nicki Minaj (+1.8 million)
No. 81 - Maxwell (+1.9 million)
No. 86 - Taylor Swift (+0.5 million) Today Was A Fairytale
No. 95 - Ludacris / Nicki Minaj (+2.3 million)
No. 123 - Iyaz (+0.6 million)
No. 131 - Selena Gomez (+0.3 million)
No. 134 - Jaz / Mr. Hudson (+1.8 million) Young Forever
No. 191 - Erykah Badu (-0.1 million)
No. 229 - Corrine Bailey Rae (+0.2 million)
No. 243 - Drake (+3.1 million) Over
No. 252 - Mariah Carey / Nicki Minaj (-0.3 million)
No. 292 - LaRoux (+0.4 million)
No. 941 - Justin Beiber / Sean Kingston (+1.1 million)

On R&B airplay Robin Thicke is 1, Timbaland/Drake 2, Mary J. Blige 3, Ludacris 7, Usher/Plies 8, Monica 9, Trey Songs (Neighbors...) 10, Usher/Nicki Manja 21, Ludacris/Nicki Manja 22, Rihanna 26, Erykah Badu 35, Corrine Bailey Rae 40, Mariah Carey/Nicki Manja 45 and Whitney Houston 93 (Worth It).

[Choco]

Telephone will be another top 5 airplay hit for GaGa & Beyoncé!

[countryfan2002]

No. 3 - Lady Antebellum (+3.0 million)

:O

[felipe]

Mar 6, 2010 0:06:05 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Mar 5, 2010 20:07:45 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yep. It's great when someone gets a #1 single, but I'd rather have a huge smash like 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' (#2, but it was arguably bigger than a lot of #1's), than a short-lived #1 like '3'.

Actually, I'd rather have a short run #1 that made more money. Which ever song makes more money is the one that's bigger.

Well, iTunes was not that big back then, but it's safe to say that today Boulevard would've made more money than 3.

[beyoncethebest]

Thanks bks...Wow Irreplaceable is still played a lot!

[beyoncethebest]

Mar 6, 2010 11:19:49 GMT -5 felipe said:

Mar 6, 2010 0:06:05 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Actually, I'd rather have a short run #1 that made more money. Which ever song makes more money is the one that's bigger.

Well, iTunes was not that big back then, but it's safe to say that today Boulevard would've made more money than 3.

Considering how much American Idol sold and how much the Single Collection sold I guess that BOBD still made more money

[kingofpain]

Yeah Bad Day DEFINITELY gets a lot of airplay still.. you can hear it on just about any AC station any day. Daniel Powter and James Blunt may be one hit wonders, but their number one hits are both AC favorites.

[stooki3]

MEDIABASE

1. YOUNG MONEY - Bedrock f/Lloyd = 119.360 (- 0.678)
2. KESHA - Tik Tok = 106.748 (- 1.430)
3. LADY ANTEBELLUM - Need You Now = 104.058 (+ 1.211)
4. LADY GAGA - Bad Romance = 94.638 (- 1.110)
5. TREY SONGZ - Say Aah Billboard Charts = 92.174 (- 0.965)
6. BLACK EYED PEAS - Imma Be = 78.572 (+ 0.201) ▲
7. LUDACRIS - How Low = 78.549 (- 0.374) ▼
8. LADY GAGA - Telephone f/Beyonce = 77.238 (+ 0.288)
9. ORIANTHI - According To You = 71.710 (+ 0.181)
10. TIMBALAND - Say Something f/Drake: 65.015 (+ 0.025)
11. B.O.B - Nothin' On You f/Bruno Mars: 63.672 (+ 1.917)
12. DAVID GUETTA - Sexy Chick f/Akon = 61.004 (- 0.596)
13. RIHANNA - Rude Boy: 57.718 (+ 2.777) ▲
14. TIMBALAND - Carry Out f/Justin Timberlake = 57.337 (+ 0.378)
15. NEW BOYZ - Tie Me Down f/Ray J = 56.649 (- 0.986) ▼
16. JASON DERULO - In My Head: 55.684 (+ 0.342) ▼
17. JOSH TURNER - Why Don't We Just Dance: 53.139 (- 1.116)
18. KRIS ALLEN - Live Like We're Dying = 52.503 (+ 0.766)
19. TRAIN - Hey, Soul Sister: 52.404 (+ 0.997)
20. BILLY CURRINGTON - That's How Country...: 50.529 (+ 0.407) ▲

OTHERS:

IYAZ - Replay = 50.528 (- 0.385)
BLAKE SHELTON - Hillbilly Bone w/Trace Adkins: 50.391 (+ 0.236)
TAYLOR SWIFT - You Belong With Me = 47.772 (- 0.355)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Temporary Home = 44.944 (+ 0.495)
EASTON CORBIN - Little More Country Than That: 44.789 (+ 0.035)
MELANIE FIONA - It Kills Me = 44.623 (- 1.653)
ROBIN THICKE - Sex Therapy: 42.877 (- 0.264)
THE SCRIPT - Breakeven: 42.200 (- 0.186)
KE$HA - Blah Blah Blah f/3OH!3: 42.195 (- 0.305)
KEITH URBAN - Til Summer Comes Around: 41.532 (+ 0.786)
ZAC BROWN BAND - Highway 20 Ride: 41.165 (+ 0.127)
ADAM LAMBERT - Whataya Want From Me = 40.382 (+ 0.012)
ALICIA KEYS - Try Sleeping With A Broken.. = 40.375 (- 0.934)
USHER - Hey Daddy (Daddy's Home) = 40.183 (+ 0.221)
MARY. J. BLIGE - I Am = 39.694 (- 0.492)
MICHAEL BUBLE - Haven't Met You Yet = 38.899 (+ 0.356)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Baby Billboard Charts: 36.386 (- 0.063)
ONEREPUBLIC - All The Right Moves: 35.732 (+ 0.210)
DAUGHTRY - Life After You = 35.003 (+ 0.388)
LADY ANTEBELLUM - American Honey = 34.238 (+ 0.177)
JOHN MAYER - Heartbreak Warfare: 33.819 (+ 0.564)
KENNY CHESNEY - Ain't Back Yet: 33.167 (+ 0.558)
TAYLOR SWIFT – Fearless Billboard Charts = 29.323 (+ 0.524)
ROB THOMAS - Someday = 29.143 (- 0.044)
JAY-Z - On To The Next One = 29.122 (- 0.439)
MONICA - Everything To Me: 27.939 (- 0.049)
RASCAL FLATTS - Unstoppable: 26.103 (+ 0.276)
LIFEHOUSE - Halfway Gone = 25.888 (+ 0.257)
TREY SONGZ - Neighbors Know My Name: 25.665 (+ 0.491)
JUSTIN MOORE - Backwoods: 25.430 (+ 0.523)
TAIO CRUZ - Break Your Heart f/Ludacris: 24.530 (+ 0.603)
YOUNG MONEY - Steady Mobbin' f/Gucci Mane: 24.348 (+ 0.061)
SADE - Soldier Of Love = 23.899 (- 0.548)
GUCCI MANE - Lemonade: 21.682 (+ 0.264)
USHER - Lil' Freak f/Nicki Minaj: 20.081 (+ 0.511)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Today Was A Fairytale: 19.689 (+ 0.105)
ROSCOE DASH - All The Way Turnt Up: 18.830 (- 0.321)
JAHEIM - Ain't Leavin Without You = 18.544 (+ 0.174)
LUDACRIS - My Chick Bad f/Nicki Minaj: 15.424 (+ 0.715)
50 CENT - Do You Think About Me: 15.357 (- 0.470)
IYAZ - Solo: 12.784 (+ 0.398)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE - Naturally = 12.258 (+ 0.235)
PEARL JAM - Just Breathe = 10.696 (- 0.141)
USHER - There Goes My Baby: 9.933 (- 0.587)
KEVIN RUDOLF - I Made It: 9.363 (- 0.134)
MARIAH CAREY - Up Out My Face: 8.524 (- 0.044)
LA ROUX - Bulletproof: 6.587 (+ 0.078)
COLBIE CAILLAT - I Never Told You: 5.718 (+ 0.143)
DRAKE - Over: 3.998 (+ 3.946)
MILEY CYRUS - When I Look At You: 1.541 (+ 0.002)
GORILLAZ - Stylo: 1.374 (+ 0.001)
KELLY CLARKSON - All I Ever Wanted: 0.614 (+ 0.106)
AVRIL LAVIGNE – Alice Louboutins : 0.092 (+ 0.008)

Mediabase Chart courtesy of Fabio @: www.orkut.com.br/Main#CommTopics?cmm=78696741

[damita34]

No. 191 - Erykah Badu (-0.1 million)

wtf ?! it should be exploding ! it's her best in years!

[HolidayGuy]

Even if one was more concerned about the money, a lengthy stay at #1 may have been dictated by airplay- so in that sense, it may make less than tracks that didn't peak at #1. In any event, as we can see by what bks posted (as well as other tracks in the rock era), some #1 hits don't go on to enjoy strong recurrent play. Many non-#1 hits get played more than #1 hits.

Heck, Madonna's most-played U.S. recurrent usually is "Into the Groove," which did not even appear on the Hot 100 because of a charting issue. :) Among her other most-played recurrents, "Holiday" and "Borderline" usually are among her top five most-played, and neither even peaked in the top 5. Meanwhile, #1 hits "Who's That Girl," "Justify My Love" and "This Used to Be My Playground" average less than 10 spins in a given week ("Playground" sees a spike when it's on the syndicated Delilah show).

Nice to see ya post, bks- and thanks. :)

[Deleted]

thanks bks... always happy to see you post!

[Choco]

Mar 6, 2010 15:32:57 GMT -5 @reidlos20 said:

thanks bks... always happy to see you post!

[kingofpain]

Yeah check out Madonna's "Angel". That was a #1 and I rarely hear that on the radio.

[HolidayGuy]

^Actually, "Angel" peaked at #5 on the Hot 100. On a related note, "Like a Virgin"- which spent 6 weeks at #1- get played more than the three #1s I mentioned, but at 35-50 spins a week on average, it pales next to her most-played tracks ("Like a Prayer" and "Crazy For You" usually are her most-played #1 hits, at 400-550 spins/week on average). "Virgin" has lots of acclaim/notoriety, but doesn't get played all that much. Of course, with AC being the outlet for most recurrent airplay, maybe a song with the word "virgin" in it isn't the best for the format. hehe

[Choco]

A little off topic, but aside from her GGGB singles, is Rihanna getting any recurrent play? I'm pretty sure that if she's getting any, it might be for 'SOS', because the rest of her single pre-GGGB era are mostly overlooked.

[slw84]

Mar 6, 2010 2:19:02 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Mar 6, 2010 0:43:53 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

money doesn't mean diddly-squat to me. That has NOTHING to do with what song is "bigger", imo. Maybe from a record label's perspective, but who cares about them anyways? What i care about is what i'm still listening to 5 years down the road.

Funny you mention that.

It seems that most of the songs who had a reign of terror on the Billboard Hot 100 don't have lasting longevity (which maybe cuz they get burned by that same tight grip they had on the #1 position).

----Perhaps its because music nowadays is so disposable. Not many people are making music that will stand the test of time. They are just making hits for the moment. I don't really have a problem with that but the 80s full of good pop and 90s full of good r&b and rock music had plenty of timeless tracks but it seems to be the opposite nowadays.

Who cares about hearing a song five years from now when everyone wants to hear what is "it" now.

I like a mixture of both.
Who really has heard recently the following:

1) I Kissed a Girl (Hot'N'Cold is Katy Perry biggest hit: the one which still gets played at radio).
I still hear it but also now that it is a novelty song that will be so cheeky and a little cringeworthy in a while.
2) Baby Boy (Crazy In Love still gets played, but Baby Boy not so much).
True. That was definitely as a hit for the moment.
3) Burn
True.
4) Goodies
I still like it.
5) Candy Shop (which got really old really fast)
Agreed.
6) Gold Digger (I haven't heard this song in ages)
True but I hear it...don't like it, though.
7) Bad Day (I think this one is really hated nowadays)
The one hit wonder of the 2000s
8) Promiscuous (practically all of Nelly Furtado's other hit singles have are more played today: I'm Like A Bird, Say It Right, Maneater...).
Really...
9) Crank That (this one is foul)

10) Low (the one song this one blocked endlessly from the #1: Apologize; is the one song who will be remembered years from now).
I think this will be more of a staple in the clubs...still hear it like it just came out.
11) Foolish (Ashanti is mostly forgotten this days)
For the moment.
12) Family Affair (it's safe to say it's not the most remembered Mary J. Blige's song).
I would argue different...especially from a pop perspective. I think Be without you and Real love are the only ones that rivals it at the top.
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13) But the most blatant example of all is: You Light Up My Life

Wow...you went old school.
Exceptions are:

1) Dilemma
2) Both Santana songs
3) Somewhat Irreplaceable
4) Both Boyz II Men songs
5) The Bodyguard song (actually most of the 90´s long charting songs, except the hideous Jump and Macarena: I still remember all those food commercials using this song)

Just my IMHO of course

[Glove Slap]

Mar 6, 2010 0:43:53 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

money doesn't mean diddly-squat to me. That has NOTHING to do with what song is "bigger", imo. Maybe from a record label's perspective, but who cares about them anyways? What i care about is what i'm still listening to 5 years down the road.

There is so much wrong within this post that I don't know where to start...

Most songs have to be pushed to become hits in the first place, and this isn't done without a force behind it such as a record label, which is acting to make profit.

[dionysus]

bks,thank you very much!!!

[singingsparrow]

Mar 6, 2010 19:32:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

A little off topic, but aside from her GGGB singles, is Rihanna getting any recurrent play? I'm pretty sure that if she's getting any, it might be for 'SOS', because the rest of her single pre-GGGB era are mostly overlooked.

"Pon de Replay", I imagine, still gets considerable play (it even made it into one of Weird Al's polkas).

I'd actually argue it'll be better remembered than "Disturbia", "Don't Stop The Music" and "Take A Bow". I'd say it'll be her third most-remembered single to date behind only "Umbrella" and "SOS".

Sincerely,
Lisping Hibiscus

[musik...]

thanks so much bks!!!!

it'll be a close number 1 but it looks like the top 5 may end up being (in my opinion):
5) Rude Boy
4) Bedrock
3) Break Your Heart
2) Need You Now
1) Imma Be

But if Taio's or Rihanna's sales are more massive than i have estimated, they may end up having higher positions on the hot 100 than i suggest above. the hot 100 is gonna be looking mighty interesting over the next few weeks FINALLLY!!!!

[hewitt81]

I think "Break your Heart" is next week Nr. 1.