HITS DD: 4/13/10: Justin Bieber - 106K

[#LisaRinna]

Apr 9, 2010 11:14:34 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

mcfan- yes, ballads usually were the second single (why I said first or second, because of those other exceptions- well, "MTV Unplugged only spawned one single which was a ballad, too). I don't think there are always "mistakes" with single releases- a track clicks or it doesn't. Sometimes singles get released for non-commercial reasons; now, with Mimi, commercial appeal definitely plays into singles choices, no doubt. Had "Bye Bye" received a better reception, would it have been a mistake? Can't always gauge how something's going to perform- it's easier for 40+ acts than others, though, and now Mimi's officially part of that, so can't be expecting 100M+ radio hits any longer.

Well the fact that it started stalling at radio after 3 weeks, means it was a mistake.
And how are singles released not for commercial reasons? Singles are released to expose an album at radio and promote it.

[chopped89]

Damn, bad numbers!!for all of them!!

[HolidayGuy]

mcfan- that is true. But every now and then a mainstream act releases singles that do not have the best commercial potential (Madge has done it several times, but she's probably an exception among mainstream acts).

chopped, year-to-date album sales hold in the single-digit-percentage drop, which is alright given the past couple of years' declines.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

I hope Sade does around 20k. I'm just glad that they were able to have a strong first few weeks. It should be interesting to see where they go from here. "Babyfather" should be impacting Urban AC quite soon.

[Choco]

I don't think that Usher will cross 1m with this album, but I guess that if he gets a couple of hits, he might do fine in the long run.

[jgizzle89]

^ yeah, but he's pretty much guaranteed to get 700k, which isn't bad.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Apr 9, 2010 22:14:01 GMT -5 jgizzle89 said:

^ yeah, but he's pretty much guaranteed to get 700k, which isn't bad.

700k for Usher would not be good though.

[PDC1987]

Apr 9, 2010 22:43:29 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Apr 9, 2010 22:14:01 GMT -5 jgizzle89 said:

^ yeah, but he's pretty much guaranteed to get 700k, which isn't bad.

700k for Usher would not be good though.

Nowadays scanning past 500,000 soon after release is good enough and can't be called a flop. It's been like that for a few years I'd say.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Says who? Going from 10 million to 1.2 million to 700k is hardly a great trajectory for someone like Usher. That might work for a Madonna, but certainly not a current young artist like Usher. There are several mainstream artists, even some under the radar artists, selling more than just 500k or 700k. That's really no excuse.

[lugus15]

^ Don't forget that Owl City, is getting close to 900k

700k for Usher is bad.

[falkos]

We don't know from the start which artist would be "radar artist" and whick not. But i understand what you want to say. Also i still beleive that music must count on big and international names like Mariah, Green Day, Usher, Celine... They have the status to sell >10mil even that difficult period for sales. That is up to their music labels and promotion. By the way i think Mariah is still beter than Gaga or kesha, Usher is still better that Trey Songz, and Green Day are still better than Owl City etc.

[PDC1987]

Apr 10, 2010 0:15:08 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Says who? Going from 10 million to 1.2 million to 700k is hardly a great trajectory for someone like Usher. That might work for a Madonna,

You're so transparent.

With overall sales continuing to collapse, and so few albums even going 2x Platinum or higher compared to before 500,000 to 1 million is simply in the middle in recent years, not the flop range it used to be.

[Honeymoon]

Apr 9, 2010 23:01:44 GMT -5 PDC1987 said:

Apr 9, 2010 22:43:29 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

700k for Usher would not be good though.

Nowadays scanning past 500,000 soon after release is good enough and can't be called a flop. It's been like that for a few years I'd say.

You can't really paint everyone with one brush. In terms of sales, success, every act is different, it's all relative. 500k scanned is great for someone like Robin Thicke, 500k for Usher or Mariah is a disappointment, especially when you look at how much was probably spent on their campaigns.

[HolidayGuy]

Outside of Emancipation, Mimi's international sales in the last decade have not been very notable, though. Pretty much the USA contributed the bulk of her albums' worldwide totals.

Yes, each sales total must be looked at in the scope of the act itself, not as a benchmark number for all acts.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Yes, you cannot put all artists in one box. Some expectations of artists are higher than those of other artists. This has always been the case, and I don't think that will change, no matter what the sales climate is.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Apr 10, 2010 2:34:13 GMT -5 falkos said:

We don't know from the start which artist would be "radar artist" and whick not.

"Under the radar" artists are those who don't get as much exposure or label backing as those who appeal to the mainstream. We know exactly who those artists are, and some of them are doing quite well without those factors.

[Baby In a New Dress]

Apr 10, 2010 0:15:08 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Says who? Going from 10 million to 1.2 million to 700k is hardly a great trajectory for someone like Usher. That might work for a Madonna, but certainly not a current young artist like Usher. There are several mainstream artists, even some under the radar artists, selling more than just 500k or 700k. That's really no excuse.

Not being able to scan a million would be dissapointing for him, but how much did HIS scan, like 1.2?

If he manages 800k, we can say that his sales are staying steady. Especially lacking a number one hit and NOT coming off a diamond selling album this time.

Let's not forget that Usher's first hit came out in 1993. He's not a new kid on the block, and despite his young age, being around for a long time does tend to age people. I'll say myself that Usher does seem a lot older than 31 to me. He's been around since I was in the 3rd grade.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Blah. Excuses. If people and his label called HIS's sales a disappointment, then picture what people would call this if that album doesn't do at least a milli. If we were so quick to call Mimi's album a flop, then why can't we do the same for Usher if his album doesn't scan well in the long run? Usher is still a young mainstream artist. While 800k isn't a HUGE flop, it's certainly not something to go goo-goo over either.

[Baby In a New Dress]

^ Here I Stand was released in 2008 (sales were higher), and there was huge hype and anticipation since he was coming back from one of the biggest albums of the decade. The lead single went to #1.

He had no steam for this album. Released a bunch of singles with literally no pop radio success. Go look in the predictions thread. People thought he would do 150k and end with 450 if he was lucky.

And are you seriously comparing Mimi's flop with Usher's? E=MC2 outsold Here I Stand, and her new album couldn't even open with 200k. I would like for him to sell more, but hell no, 800k would not be bad at all.

What are you going by, anyway? Who are "all these people selling a million or more?" I need to see a list.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Apr 10, 2010 12:51:29 GMT -5 Baby In a New Dress said:

^ Here I Stand was released in 2008 (sales were higher), and there was huge hype and anticipation since he was coming back from one of the biggest albums of the decade. The lead single went to #1.

He had no steam for this album. Released a bunch of singles with literally no pop radio success. Go look in the predictions thread. People thought he would do 150k and end with 450 if he was lucky.

And are you seriously comparing Mimi's flop with Usher's? E=MC2 outsold Here I Stand, and her new album couldn't even open with 200k. I would like for him to sell more, but hell no, 800k would not be bad at all.

What are you going by, anyway? Who are "all these people selling a million or more?" I need to see a list.

First part of your post: Sales aren't that much lower now than it was then. The top selling album of 2008 sold what: 2.8 million or so? Didn't Taylor have the biggest selling album of 2009 and that scanned over 3 million or so in that particular year, excluding 2008 sales? I could be wrong though. Someone check that for me, please.

Second part of your post: Of course, there wasn't much steam for this album. And that why this era won't do any better than the last. Throwing a bunch of singles to different formats won't have much effect on that.

Third part of your post: We can't compare Mimi's flop to Usher's flop because the latter's is currently unknown. But considering Usher had the idol effect and the whole Easter weekend, we aren't sure what he would have done without those factors. But considering his possible drop, I don't think he would have done 330k first week. But who knows? Mimi's album was definitely a flop and Usher will probably outsell her within the next two or three weeks. So, I guess that is a moot debate.

Last part of your post: Honey, it's pretty simple to just skim through the Billboard threads and see the artists who are pushing much more than 800k.

[Deleted]

Why is an album with multiple R&B hits, called a "flop" just because it is not getting the same airplay at pop radio?

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Apr 10, 2010 14:35:43 GMT -5 @2m said:

Why is an album with multiple R&B hits, called a "flop" just because it is not getting the same airplay at pop radio?

And who said this? We're talking about the album sales.

[Deleted]

Apr 10, 2010 15:05:57 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Apr 10, 2010 14:35:43 GMT -5 @2m said:

Why is an album with multiple R&B hits, called a "flop" just because it is not getting the same airplay at pop radio?

And who said this? We're talking about the album sales.

Apr 10, 2010 12:51:29 GMT -5 Baby In a New Dress said:

^

He had no steam for this album. Released a bunch of singles with literally no pop radio success.
.

Another dimension to this discussion that I want to add on this album sales discussion.

Not scoring big on pop radio, in my opinion would not mean it wasn't a hit

[#LisaRinna]

^ But obviously having a big multi-format hit would help him have bigger overall sales...

[hitseeker.]

it'd be really cool if Madonna debuted in the Top10, hope that comes true ;)

[songkaiwen]

Apr 10, 2010 17:00:17 GMT -5 hitseeker. said:

it'd be really cool if Madonna debuted in the Top10, hope that comes true ;)

Me 2!

[areyoureadytojump]

HITS' building album sales chart:

www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

[areyoureadytojump]

ONE year ago:

CHART DATE: 04/13/2009

-- 1 RASCAL FLATTS LYRIC STREET 355,339 --
UNSTOPPABLE
5 2 HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE WALT DISNEY RECORDS 193,911 +131%
SOUNDTRACK
-- 3 JADAKISS DEF JAM/IDJMG 130,407 --
THE LAST KISS
-- 4 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 107,557 --
WIDE OPEN
4 5 NOW 30 UME 100,179 +17%
VARIOUS ARTISTS
10 6 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 84,419 +109%
FEARLESS
1 7 PRINCE NPG 74,938 -60%
LOTUS FLOW3R
2 8 KEITH URBAN CAPITOL NASHVILLE 70,976 -60%
DEFYING GRAVITY
7 9 TWILIGHT ATLANTIC 68,024 -4%
SOUNDTRACK
9 10 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 56,076 +13%
FAME

[Tanisha Thomas.]

CHART DATE: 04/12/2010
LAST UPDATE: 04/12/2010 11:45:13
NOW IN: 54.02%


LW TW artist / album label power index
2 1 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 86,929
MY WORLD 2.0
1 2 USHER LAFACE/JLG 54,225
RAYMOND VS. RAYMOND
3 3 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC 33 CAPITOL/EMI 45,691
VARIOUS ARTISTS
5 4 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 39,493
NEED YOU NOW
-- 5 SLASH DIK HAYD/EMI 25,640
SLASH
6 6 MONICA J RECORDS/RMG 24,619
STILL STANDING
9 7 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 17,634
FAME
8 8 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 17,244
MY WORLD
7 9 ALAN JACKSON ARISTA NASHVILLE 16,951
FREIGHT TRAIN
10 10 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 16,033
E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)
13 11 MARVIN SAPP VERITY/JLG 13,932
HERE I AM
-- 12 MADONNA WARNER BROS. 13,555
STICKY & SWEET TOUR
4 13 ERYKAH BADU UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 13,424
NEW AMERYKAH, PART TWO
18 14 KE$HA KEMOSABE/RCA/RMG 12,885
ANIMAL
19 15 ZAC BROWN BAND ATLANTIC 12,557
FOUNDATION
16 16 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 12,121
FAME MONSTER (EP)
11 17 LUDACRIS DTP/DEF JAM/IDJ 11,852
BATTLE OF THE SEXES
25 18 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 9,898
RATED R
17 19 ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS RHINO 9,511
THE SQUEAKQUEL
14 20 SADE EPIC 9,054
SOLDIER OF LOVE
15 21 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 8,671
FEARLESS
30 22 TREY SONGZ ATLANTIC 7,660
READY
27 23 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 7,642
PLAY ON
24 24 MICHAEL BUBLE REPRISE 7,594
CRAZY LOVE
20 25 LIL WAYNE CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 7,073
REBIRTH
37 26 BLAKE SHELTON WARNER BROS. NASHVILLE 6,942
HILLBILLY BONE
35 27 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 6,521
I DREAMED A DREAM
46 28 NICKELBACK ROADRUNNER 6,363
DARK HORSE
42 29 EASTON CORBIN MERCURY 6,351
EASTON CORBIN
50 30 JASON DERULO BELUGA HGTS/WARNER BROS. 6,190
JASON DERULO
49 31 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 6,181
WIDE OPEN
34 32 ALICIA KEYS J RECORDS/RMG 6,091
ELEMENT OF FREEDOM
22 33 SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE HOLLYWOOD 6,085
KISS & TELL
44 34 GARY ALLAN MCA NASHVILLE 6,036
GET OFF ON THE PAIN
23 35 JIMI HENDRIX EXPERIENCE LEGACY 5,878
VALLEYS OF NEPTUNE
43 36 JAHEIM ATLANTIC 5,786
ANOTHER ROUND
40 37 TRAIN COLUMBIA 5,311
SAVE ME SAN FRANCISCO
33 38 GRETCHEN WILSON REDNECK 4,998
I GOT YOUR COUNTRY RIGHT HERE
-- 39 JOSH TURNER MCA NASHVILLE 4,898
HAYWIRE
45 40 MARY J. BLIGE GEFFEN 4,682
STRONGER WITH EACH TEAR
-- 41 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE/EMI 4,578
LADY ANTEBELLUM
-- 42 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 4,386
NOW 32
31 43 TWILIGHT SAGA: NEW MOON CHOP SHOP/ATLANTIC 4,193
SOUNDTRACK
-- 44 DAUGHTRY 19/RCA/RMG 4,088
LEAVE THIS TOWN
12 45 METH + GHOST + RAE DEF JAM/IDJ 3,890
WU MASSACRE
41 46 OWL CITY UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 3,840
OCEAN EYES
39 47 YOUNG MONEY CASH MONEY/UNIV MOTOWN 3,806
WE ARE YOUNG MONEY
-- 48 JAKOB DYLAN COLUMBIA 3,763
WOMEN & COUNTRY
-- 49 P!NK LAFACE/JLG 3,653
FUNHOUSE
-- 50 DANNY GOKEY 19/RCA NASHVILLE 3,351
MY BEST DAYS

[HolidayGuy]

With Celebration, Madonna gained decently with second-half updates. We'll see if that holds true for this title. Right now, 2,500 or so out of #10. So, may be close.