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Post by earache on May 26, 2010 1:57:16 GMT -5
LOL nobody is denying it. You're the one who conveniently ignore the fact that Adam is promoted to other countries while Kris is not, except for the few AI-crazed Asian countries (which Adam mostly covered too). Heck, Kris's album and single are still not even available in some countries yet. It doesn't take a genius to see why Adam does better than Kris outside of the US. Great post. Apparently facts and logic are not required for some people's posts.
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Post by fluffyb on May 26, 2010 3:02:44 GMT -5
LOL nobody is denying it. You're the one who conveniently ignore the fact that Adam is promoted to other countries while Kris is not, except for the few AI-crazed Asian countries (which Adam mostly covered too). Heck, Kris's album and single are still not even available in some countries yet. It doesn't take a genius to see why Adam does better than Kris outside of the US. You know that American Idol is popular in Canada and Idol winners usually sell well there. Kris's album has been officially released there but it didn't even reach top40 in official Canadian chart. The fact is that Adam already had many fans outside of the US and his import album charted in non-US countries without any overseas promotion. RCA knew it and thought he has a potential to do well internationally, that's why they bothered to promote him outside the US. So it depends if the record company and management feels it'll be profitable enough to do overseas promo. Will we ever know how many albums Adam sold because of interest in him being the "Gay Idol"? Could Kris sell more albums by getting caught in an affair / scandal which gets the tabloids referencing him every other day? Sure. You must be kidding. Being openly gay is a career disadvantage in music industry. That is the reason why Lance Bass and Ricky Martin came out as gay when they no longer felt the need to sell records.
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Post by jools on May 26, 2010 4:36:34 GMT -5
LOL nobody is denying it. You're the one who conveniently ignore the fact that Adam is promoted to other countries while Kris is not, except for the few AI-crazed Asian countries (which Adam mostly covered too). Heck, Kris's album and single are still not even available in some countries yet. It doesn't take a genius to see why Adam does better than Kris outside of the US. Adam and Kris started out with exactly the same amount of overseas promotion. Adam broke in countries like Canada, New Zealand, Finland and Singapore WITHOUT any promo. Kris did not. This tells record companies that there is a market for Adam outside the US and tells them that there is far less of a market for Kris. Those are the facts and any 'Adam is doing better overseas because he is promoted better' is spin. Adam is promoted better because there IS a market. ETA: Adam and Kris' albums were both available for import in the UK at the same time. FYE charted, he got a UK release. KATA didn't, it didn't get a UK release. I assume that is the same for most countries.
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Post by chargi on May 26, 2010 4:47:31 GMT -5
jools - LLWD was Top 10 in radio play in New Zealand and on the singles chart (which counts sales) for quite a long time. They didn't even have his music video there. Or the CD in stores. I think you could only get the single from iTunes. Kris didn't do any promo in Canada either (no radio interviews post tour pretty sure this wasn't the case for Adam) and llwd still charted on their hot 100 and top 40/hac charts. It took a long, long time way after the album was released. LLWD blipped on a few other countries' charts but that's about it. Showing up is half the battle. I don't think Adam would be doing as well as he is in all of those countries if Sony didn't actively release his singles internationally and didn't make it easier for those countries to distribute his music. And it was pretty obvious even on the show that 19e was planning on international promotion for Adam before anything was recorded. Read the press releases days after the show ended too. So the idea that the only reason why Adam is promoted internationally and Kris isn't is because Adam proved himself and Kris didn't makes no sense. But hey maybe The Truth will be the biggest smash hit of the year and maybe Sony World or whatever will see fit to actually do something past the US border. We'll see.
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Post by jools on May 26, 2010 5:35:28 GMT -5
One of my favorite things about Adam's crazy fans is their ability to observe, retain and bring up selective things. Wow you have got to be kidding me, the irony of that comment. How did the song flop? It never went to radio. Were the sales less than Adam fans expected, yes and most Adam fans realised immediately that they'd have to rethink their expectations. Ridiculous hyperbole of the sort that is repeatedly used about Adam fans. I do not believe that anybody anywhere said he is going to sell a million singles the first day. I personally both thought and publically said that LLWD would do very well. Quite honestly, that was entirely about the song and nothing to do with Kris seeing as it was a note for note, infliction for infliction cover. Kris' coronation single flopped and since TFM never went to radio, I make that one 'flop' one hit each but what does it matter how folks count? As long as it is a logical thought process and not a delusional one what does it matter? Because it's not like Kris fans to crow right? You weren't the first ones to gloat that Kris had a platinum single and Adam didn't, when anybody rational could see WWFM would reach platinum at around the same age. It's fanwar bullshit an Kris fans are every bit as crazy and over invested as Adam fans. I give you that, a lot of Adam fans did think star power alone would propel Adam and I think RCA might have thought so too. I was on the 'why are they relying on the celebrity and not working on getting the music out?' train all along. But at least Adam fans were reacting to RCAs behaviour. What do you think Kris fans were doing when they suggested that the whole of Canada were butthurt glamberts and that was the reason LLWD was doing so badly up there? Again, It's fanwar bullshit an Kris fans are every bit as crazy and over invested as the Adam fans. The blinkers and crazy in Kris and Adam's fandoms is proportional, there are simply a lot more Adam fans. Perhaps you are confused because folks don't often bother to point out your crazy or your blinkers? Conversely, we will never know how many sales he lost because he was a gay idol. My guess would be that the losses outweighed the sales. I think it is disgraceful the way Kris fans trivialise the courage and honesty Adam has shown and the obstacles he has to overcome. I doubt it, I'm sure the interest from the entertainment press would be as temporary as the interest in his idol win. LLWD is selling based on MASSIVE radio play. KATA is not selling. Kris is only selling anything because of a song that he has very little to do with really. Now, I usually stay out of your threads, I actually respect that Kris Allen fans should be able to talk about Kris Allen without having to engage in fanwars and petty put downs, but Kris fans talk about what the crazy Adam fans are doing far too much when they live in an equally fragile glass house. Stick to Kris in this thread, not Adam or his fans and keep your concern trolling out of the Adam threads. Adam fans should do the same and really, they usually do, that is why you keep getting away with this nonsense. [/quote]
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Post by chargi on May 26, 2010 5:46:07 GMT -5
It's people like starsprinkles and the rest of the glamberts that bring this irrelevant nonsense into Kris threads. It's one thing to make a comment about Kris, or The Truth but that's not what happens. It's usually someone hearing some imaginary dogwhistle and being overly defensive on Adam's behalf. For example, I'm pretty sure the thread was derailed because of feelings towards Kris headlining the Kiss108 event. Adam's name wasn't even mentioned by anyone before that.
KBIG-LA has started to spin The Truth. Great that LA seems to have jumped on board far earlier than it did for LLWD. Actually in terms of HAC the bigger markets generally have taken less time to play The Truth and LLWD. Some how I don't think this will be the case with Pop.
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Post by earache on May 26, 2010 5:55:41 GMT -5
You must be kidding. Being openly gay is a career disadvantage in music industry. That is the reason why Lance Bass and Ricky Martin came out as gay when they no longer felt the need to sell records. In Adam's case, being openly gay and single has gotten him tabloid and papparazzi attention which has transferred to mainstream media attention and gotten him exposure on some national talk shows. "Who is he dating?", "Does he consider himself a spokesman for gay artists?" You can't deny that being gay has opened some doors for him. There isn't much to talk about with Kris beyond "How is your wife handling the whole AI hoopla?". There's his missionary work and the fact that he almost died before but media don't seem to find that newsworthy. And only selected media focus on the music, sadly.
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Post by earache on May 26, 2010 6:00:23 GMT -5
It's people like starsprinkles and the rest of the glamberts that bring this irrelevant nonsense into Kris threads. It's one thing to make a comment about Kris, or The Truth but that's not what happens. It's usually someone hearing some imaginary dogwhistle and being overly defensive on Adam's behalf. For example, I'm pretty sure the thread was derailed because of feelings towards Kris headlining the Kiss108 event. Adam's name wasn't even mentioned by anyone before that. KBIG-LA has started to spin The Truth. Great that LA seems to have jumped on board far earlier than it did for LLWD. Actually in terms of HAC the bigger markets generally have taken less time to play The Truth and LLWD. Some how I don't think this will be the case with Pop. I'm seriously enjoying this. And it's keeping this thread at the top which gives it some exposure and buzz. LOL. I'm not reading the posts that I'm getting a negative vibe from, even if it's in reply to me! LOL. I'm just kinda saying what I feel and not bothering with the replies cos I know it's impossible to convert anyone in the AI fandom. It's really a win-win situation. This interest in Kris's thread is really good in the week leading up to its adds to Pop.
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Post by Kworb on May 26, 2010 6:02:10 GMT -5
I'm a bit disappointed in Adam's international success so far. They invested a lot in launching him overseas, but WWFM has mostly been a big airplay hit with sales not convincingly backing it up. The UK reacted to the FYE single the same way the US did. Honestly, I hope IIHY smashes because else this international push will have been a waste. It certainly hasn't been anything to brag about so far, particularly as a way to put Kris down.
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Post by jools on May 26, 2010 6:09:51 GMT -5
jools - LLWD was Top 10 in radio play in New Zealand and on the singles chart (which counts sales) for quite a long time. No. Kris reached the top 10 on New Zealand radio play chart for a week or two, but the sales never came anywhere near it. I think #18 was the overall peak on their chart which is sales/radio play based. Conversely, FYE never reached top 10 radio play and yet peaked at #11. It also for a long time and went gold. WWFM was charting high in sales in New Zealand LONG before radio caught up. Radio did not catch up until Adam went to Australia. By the time Adam started his Canadian promo, both WWFM & FYE were charting VERY high on video countdown sites and WWFM was blowing up on Canadian radio. The album may have already been gold too - it was certainly around the same time. Incidentally, I think FYE would have blown up on Canadian radio too but they went along with the switch rather than waiting until FYE lived its life. I think we can safely say he broke in Canada, NZ, Finland and some Far Eastern countries before an active release. Again that shows there is a market in these regions. Well yeah obviously, they knew there was a market for him. I didn't say that I said there is an international market for Adam, there isn't one for Kris. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough. 19, Jive and RCA are all well aware of what interest is coming from where and they plan accordingly. If LLWD had broken in Canada or New Zealand or Finland, he'd have been promoted in those regions. He was promoted in the Far East where there is a level of interest I'd like to hope it will do well for him, I actually think both Adam and Kris are deserving of success ( Adam FAR MORE deserving than Kris OFC) but the part that knows how the Kris fans would react to Adam makes me want him to disappear back to Arkansas. Sorry if that is too much honesty but I'm sure if many of the Kris fans were honest, they'd say something similar.
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Post by saga on May 26, 2010 6:18:18 GMT -5
jools - LLWD was Top 10 in radio play in New Zealand and on the singles chart (which counts sales) for quite a long time. They didn't even have his music video there. Or the CD in stores. I think you could only get the single from iTunes. Kris didn't do any promo in Canada either (no radio interviews post tour pretty sure this wasn't the case for Adam) and llwd still charted on their hot 100 and top 40/hac charts. It took a long, long time way after the album was released. LLWD blipped on a few other countries' charts but that's about it. Showing up is half the battle. I don't think Adam would be doing as well as he is in all of those countries if Sony didn't actively release his singles internationally and didn't make it easier for those countries to distribute his music. And it was pretty obvious even on the show that 19e was planning on international promotion for Adam before anything was recorded. Read the press releases days after the show ended too. So the idea that the only reason why Adam is promoted internationally and Kris isn't is because Adam proved himself and Kris didn't makes no sense. But hey maybe The Truth will be the biggest smash hit of the year and maybe Sony World or whatever will see fit to actually do something past the US border. We'll see. I think Jive and Kris should have done some promo in Canada... LLWD were charting on both Canada HAC and Canada top40 but died on Canada top40. Ideally he should have gone for some radio interviews around the time LLWD peaked on Canada top40 imo.
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Post by desertfloods on May 26, 2010 6:37:30 GMT -5
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Post by fluffyb on May 26, 2010 6:37:31 GMT -5
In Adam's case, being openly gay and single has gotten him tabloid and papparazzi attention which has transferred to mainstream media attention and gotten him exposure on some national talk shows. "Who is he dating?", "Does he consider himself a spokesman for gay artists?" You can't deny that being gay has opened some doors for him. Clay Aiken got lots of media attention after coming out as gay and he appered on national talk shows but it didn't help his album sales at all. He actually lost a lot of fans and his album only sold about 150000 copies. I'm a bit disappointed in Adam's international success so far. They invested a lot in launching him overseas, but WWFM has mostly been a big airplay hit with sales not convincingly backing it up. I'm sorry but you are talking BS. WWFM keeps selling well on iTunes in several countries and reaching top 10 in 8 countries is nothing to cry about.
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Post by chargi on May 26, 2010 7:47:36 GMT -5
TT got its second Top 40 add today: WXKS-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Boston 19/Jive/JLG Clear Channel Communications 10 5/26/2010 4:06:00 AM
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Post by Kworb on May 26, 2010 8:23:56 GMT -5
I'm a bit disappointed in Adam's international success so far. They invested a lot in launching him overseas, but WWFM has mostly been a big airplay hit with sales not convincingly backing it up. I'm sorry but you are talking BS. WWFM keeps selling well on iTunes in several countries and reaching top 10 in 8 countries is nothing to cry about. It wasn't cheap to have him do the media rounds all over Europe. Aside from that there was a major media and airplay push (which of course cost money and manpower, else they would do it for way more artists). He's only had substantial sales in Germany, and that was mostly in a week where it was at a discount on iTunes. He's been #1 in airplay in my country for weeks with single and album sales lagging behind. A lot of time and money was spent in the UK with nothing to show for it. I know Adam fans believe that all the worldwide media attention and media exposure has been totally free of charge and a result of his immeasurable talent, but sadly that's not how it works. He's done alright so far overseas, but it's been underwhelming given the effort that has been put into it. Just like in the US, the next single is crucial.
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Post by atgs on May 26, 2010 8:38:22 GMT -5
That's the best word to use for Adam. The thing is that there's only so much promo can do, and maybe the label thought it would be easier to get results in Europe after the flop single in the US and the not so great album sales... but sometimes things just don't work.
Anyway, back to Kris. I don't think Jive will support this single on POP too much. Anything that it does in that format will be ok, I guess. Because I don't see any effort to make it work. Are there any news about the music video?
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 26, 2010 8:43:15 GMT -5
Yesterday it had a +5 to 30 spins, what does it have today?
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Post by ericoco on May 26, 2010 8:49:11 GMT -5
OMG, it's insane here today and I'm wondering what is causing it? Just like a poster said above, you must know something good is cooking in Kris Allen camp, LOL! It's really pathetic that a thread about a song has ended up being a war zone. I'm trying to figure out what the causes may be? 1) So many goodies for Kris last week. 2) Good adds week on HAC. 3) Lots of radio interviews yesterday and today 4) Performance on idol tonight and possible press coverage in the coming days. Or could it be this? www.forbes.com/2010/05/25/carrie-underwood-clarkson-daughtry-business-entertainment-american-idol_slide_11.htmlThe whole thread is hilarious!
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Post by desertfloods on May 26, 2010 8:56:07 GMT -5
^ $1.7 million! Not bad, Kris. Not bad TT got its second Top 40 add today: WXKS-FM Pub 0 Top 40 Boston 19/Jive/JLG Clear Channel Communications 10 5/26/2010 4:06:00 AM Great news!
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Post by ericoco on May 26, 2010 9:05:42 GMT -5
That's the best word to use for Adam. The thing is that there's only so much promo can do, and maybe the label thought it would be easier to get results in Europe after the flop single in the US and the not so great album sales... but sometimes things just don't work. Anyway, back to Kris. I don't think Jive will support this single on POP too much. Anything that it does in that format will be ok, I guess. Because I don't see any effort to make it work. Are there any news about the music video? He said in an interview in San Antonio last Sunday that he's still trying to make time around his schedule to shoot the video. But looking at his schedule it's insane right now and if he could get any time, it may be the end of June. But I think the right time for the movie to premiere is when the song has gained traction on radio because then people who hear it can cnnect it with the video and singer. I think Jive will still push at pop. He's been doing all these radio gigs on top40 stations too and still has some lined up. I honestly don't worry about Kris. God knows how much was spent on putting out his album. Heck, he co-wrote or wrote 9 songs on the abum minus bonus track. Apart from a few, most of his radio tour and gigs have been just him and his friend Cale with their guitars. His album sales are low for an AI winner but in the real world right now, it's not bad. What I'm trying to say is, in the end, it all comes to whether the label made profit off him and whether he's marketable (which he is), I think he's good. He sounds so happy in all the interviews he did yesterday at the finale press rounds he did and I believe he knows what is going on with him more than any of us do. I'll take happy Kris for all being good.
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Post by fluffyb on May 26, 2010 9:20:53 GMT -5
I'm sorry but you are talking BS. WWFM keeps selling well on iTunes in several countries and reaching top 10 in 8 countries is nothing to cry about. It wasn't cheap to have him do the media rounds all over Europe. Aside from that there was a major media and airplay push (which of course cost money and manpower, else they would do it for way more artists). He's only had substantial sales in Germany, and that was mostly in a week where it was at a discount on iTunes. He's been #1 in airplay in my country for weeks with single and album sales lagging behind. You are talking BS again. Adam didn't do the media rounds all over Europe. He promoted WWFM in Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden, that's all. The song is still #6 in Itunes German single chart, so it's silly to say it is not selling well there. And it doesn't matter whether you want to think that's underwhelming or not. I was just stating the fact that Adam is more successful than Kris internationally.
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Post by jaytee on May 26, 2010 9:38:50 GMT -5
It wasn't cheap to have him do the media rounds all over Europe. Aside from that there was a major media and airplay push (which of course cost money and manpower, else they would do it for way more artists). He's only had substantial sales in Germany, and that was mostly in a week where it was at a discount on iTunes. He's been #1 in airplay in my country for weeks with single and album sales lagging behind. You are talking BS again. Adam didn't do the media rounds all over Europe. He promoted WWFM in Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden, that's all. The song is still #6 in Itunes German single chart, so it's silly to say it is not selling well there. And it doesn't matter whether you want to think that's underwhelming or not. ... wait. Did I just lose my ability to read? I could've sworn I clicked on "Kris Allen - The Truth." Damnit, looks like I need new glasses. Update for whoever asked: 156 105 KRIS ALLEN The Truth 37 14 23 0.212 +7 spins +7 bullet +.053 AI
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Post by Kworb on May 26, 2010 9:59:21 GMT -5
It wasn't cheap to have him do the media rounds all over Europe. Aside from that there was a major media and airplay push (which of course cost money and manpower, else they would do it for way more artists). He's only had substantial sales in Germany, and that was mostly in a week where it was at a discount on iTunes. He's been #1 in airplay in my country for weeks with single and album sales lagging behind. You are talking BS again. Adam didn't do the media rounds all over Europe. He promoted WWFM in Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden, that's all. The song is still #6 in Itunes German single chart, so it's silly to say it is not selling well there. And it doesn't matter whether you want to think that's underwhelming or not. I was just stating the fact that Adam is more successful than Kris internationally. I didn't know the UK was not a part of Europe. And I already said German single sales were pretty good. The thing that doesn't matter is how Adam's international success compares to Kris's. The fact that you and other Glamberts keep doing it actually proves my point that his international success is underwhelming. It's an extremely low bar to set.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on May 26, 2010 10:18:57 GMT -5
You Idol fans really need to branch out. Broaden your horizons. There is an entire industry outside of the Idol franchise. Can you believe it?! It's pretty interesting out there. You guys should join the rest of the world and check it out instead of writing thesis-length essays comparing the triumphs and failures of previous Idol contestants.
Move on, plz. And learn how to stay on topic. Most of this discussion belongs elsewhere.
To get back on topic, if this does do anything, it's going to be a long and slow climb upward.
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Post by crazychick on May 26, 2010 10:28:49 GMT -5
Why has this thread dissolved into another Adam vs.Kris thread? There are plenty of other places to debate that stuff.
Another decent update for Kris this morning. The song could be inside the Top 100 on the Pop chart before it even officially goes for adds. Heartless had another good update as well, and is now at #71!
156 105 KRIS ALLEN The Truth 37 14 23 0.212
It is at #36 on Hot AC chart. The new Sara Bareilles single jumped it yesterday. But should pass at least 1 song by time new official list comes out next Monday
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Post by strawberries on May 26, 2010 10:30:34 GMT -5
I need a banging your head against the wall emoticon lol.
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Post by tinawina on May 26, 2010 10:46:49 GMT -5
I need a banging your head against the wall emoticon lol. Agreed. To get back on topic, if this does do anything, it's going to be a long and slow climb upward. Agreed again.
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Post by fluffyb on May 26, 2010 10:53:22 GMT -5
You are talking BS again. Adam didn't do the media rounds all over Europe. He promoted WWFM in Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland and Sweden, that's all. The song is still #6 in Itunes German single chart, so it's silly to say it is not selling well there. And it doesn't matter whether you want to think that's underwhelming or not. I was just stating the fact that Adam is more successful than Kris internationally. I didn't know the UK was not a part of Europe. And I already said German single sales were pretty good. I was talking about WWFM. The song was not released in UK yet. I mentioned about Adam's international success only because people were comparing Kris's success to Adam's. It's just silly to ignore international sales. Let's see Kris surpassing Adam's sales outside the US since it is extremely low bar to set.
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Post by ZAYN on May 26, 2010 11:14:42 GMT -5
Way to go KRIS great update!
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Post by earache on May 26, 2010 11:45:19 GMT -5
Yay for the Boston Top 40 add. Expected cos he headlined their concert last week. This station is #10 in the country, I believe.
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