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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 9:34:23 GMT -5
I hope h keeps climbing :) didn't help they put him on first
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Post by Kworb on May 27, 2010 10:19:03 GMT -5
Doesn't look like it will reach the iTunes top 100.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5
LOL yeah, but I think that's how they usual do it, no? I remember Cook was the first last year. Yep- Kris's performance was handled exactly the same way returning winners have always been handled in the finales- first, quick, and with no fanfare. Can't blame the lack of an Idol bump on this- it's just a crappy song. +1 Daughtry were able to break the top 100 in Itunes after their "September" AI performance.. "September" didn't have about 2M combined AI as TT has, their performance had lower ratings than the finale performances, and Daughtry sold over X3 from their album than Kris.. that didn't stop them. ;)
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Post by Kworb on May 27, 2010 10:37:59 GMT -5
This song just isn't strong enough to make a big first impression, especially live, and on a two hour night with many performances, as one of the first to take the stage.
September's Idol bump was pathetic as well.
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Post by atgs on May 27, 2010 10:46:34 GMT -5
The bumps for songs usually aren't that great. So, it's not a surprise. There are times when it's a first single release or the song had a lot of airplay, that we'll see it climbing high on Itunes, but other than that, they don't usually sell all that much. Top 100 could have been possible though. But this song doesn't make that much of an impact.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 10:46:45 GMT -5
This song just isn't strong enough to make a big first impression, especially live, and on a two hour night with many performances, as one of the first to take the stage. September's Idol bump was pathetic as well. I think "September" Idol bump was good for a song that basically sold over 1M as an album track and had 0 spins at that time.. but Kris is last year's AI winner, performing to the audience who voted for him last year, and this should have been enough for it to break the top 100 in Itunes..
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Post by Kworb on May 27, 2010 10:55:55 GMT -5
This song just isn't strong enough to make a big first impression, especially live, and on a two hour night with many performances, as one of the first to take the stage. September's Idol bump was pathetic as well. I think "September" Idol bump was good for a song that basically sold over 1M as an album track and had 0 spins at that time.. but Kris is last year's AI winner, performing to the audience who voted for him last year, and this should have been enough for it to break the top 100 in Itunes.. Album sales usually don't matter, BEP and GaGa still sell tons of singles even though they've sold millions of their album. If Kris had been on a normal results show like Daughtry, the bump probably would've been similar to theirs. And it still would've been pathetic. Even Travis Garland, who did better than them in post-performance sales, still only sold a miserable 20k. It's just not easy to do well with a song most people are hearing for the first time. Rihanna also bombed miserably after her performance. The guest performances this season definitely taught me it is indeed better to sing a song that is already a hit.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 11:14:02 GMT -5
Album sales usually don't matter, BEP and GaGa still sell tons of singles even though they've sold millions of their album. There are more chances that an AI viewer purchased Daughtry's album than purchased BEP or Gaga's albums, so I think album sales do matter when it comes to AIers performing in AI, and BEP couldn't break the top 100 in Itunes after performing "Rock That Body" in AI..
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Post by JayBoozer on May 27, 2010 11:26:54 GMT -5
I forgot that I actually liked this song a lot after he performed it last night!
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Post by saga on May 27, 2010 11:29:47 GMT -5
I think "September" Idol bump was good for a song that basically sold over 1M as an album track and had 0 spins at that time.. but Kris is last year's AI winner, performing to the audience who voted for him last year, and this should have been enough for it to break the top 100 in Itunes.. Album sales usually don't matter, BEP and GaGa still sell tons of singles even though they've sold millions of their album. If Kris had been on a normal results show like Daughtry, the bump probably would've been similar to theirs. And it still would've been pathetic. Even Travis Garland, who did better than them in post-performance sales, still only sold a miserable 20k. It's just not easy to do well with a song most people are hearing for the first time. Rihanna also bombed miserably after her performance. The guest performances this season definitely taught me it is indeed better to sing a song that is already a hit. Wasn't OMG pretty new when Usher sang it on idol? I think that song sold a lot that week, or am I mis remembering?
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Post by Kworb on May 27, 2010 12:47:18 GMT -5
It was pretty new yeah, but already top 50 on Pop at the time and rapidly approaching top 10 on iTunes even before the Idol performance.
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Post by sammalone on May 27, 2010 13:55:53 GMT -5
Album sales usually don't matter, BEP and GaGa still sell tons of singles even though they've sold millions of their album. If Kris had been on a normal results show like Daughtry, the bump probably would've been similar to theirs. And it still would've been pathetic. Even Travis Garland, who did better than them in post-performance sales, still only sold a miserable 20k. It's just not easy to do well with a song most people are hearing for the first time. Rihanna also bombed miserably after her performance. The guest performances this season definitely taught me it is indeed better to sing a song that is already a hit. Wasn't OMG pretty new when Usher sang it on idol? I think that song sold a lot that week, or am I mis remembering? I don't know if you're misremembering, but you are grasping at straws.
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Post by crazychick on May 27, 2010 17:20:15 GMT -5
Most of Kris's hardcore fans bought the single when it was released a couple of weeks ago, so he didn' have that group to help give him a bump this time around. Still, from off the charts entirely to in the low-mid 100's on iTunes is still a nice bump. And his album has gotten a good bump on iTunes as well
More importantly, it's getting spins on a bunch of big market stations now, which will likely be more of a help than the AI appearance. It would be nice, though, if he'd perform this on Leno or letterman or Fallon...
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Post by crazychick on May 27, 2010 17:22:00 GMT -5
LOL yeah, but I think that's how they usual do it, no? I remember Cook was the first last year. Yep- Kris's performance was handled exactly the same way returning winners have always been handled in the finales- first, quick, and with no fanfare. Can't blame the lack of an Idol bump on this- it's just a crappy song. Not quite -- Ryan actually interviewed David after he performed on the Idol finale last season. Asked him about his tour, his album, etc. Kris just got shooed off stage as soon as he finished singing. The main similarity is that they bother performed early in the show.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 17:25:51 GMT -5
138.The Truth
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 17:26:16 GMT -5
Most of Kris's hardcore fans bought the single when it was released a couple of weeks ago, so he didn' have that group to help give him a bump this time around. His hardcore fanbase worth 8K copies (which is what the single sold in the 1st week it was released to Itunes)? Okay then... LOL.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 17:39:21 GMT -5
His hardcore fanbase worth 8K copies (which is what the single sold in the 1st week it was released to Itunes)? Okay then... LOL. I don't get your point. Are you laughing that the new version of The Truth sold 8K first week, or that all his hard core fans obviously didn't buy it first week? Because 8K first week for a barely promoted new version of a song seems pretty good to me.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 17:48:50 GMT -5
His hardcore fanbase worth 8K copies (which is what the single sold in the 1st week it was released to Itunes)? Okay then... LOL. I don't get your point. Are you laughing that the new version of The Truth sold 8K first week, or that all his hard core fans obviously didn't buy it first week? Because 8K first week for a barely promoted new version of a song seems pretty good to me. Crazychick here claims TT didn't enter the top 100 after AI because most of the hardcore fans already bought the single when it was released to Itunes and thus didn't buy it now.. it sold only 8K that week, and how many people were watching yesterday, 24M? So how exactly did the 1st week's sales make such an impact and blocked it from entering the top 100? And where are those that bought the other 294K of his album? And 8K for a new song version with an Itunes cover? "Voodoo" sold about 8K the week it was released as part of Adam's remixes EP to Itunes without a special "Voodoo" cover and with 0 promotion.. so 8K first week for a new version with a cover isn't that much imo.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 17:52:36 GMT -5
#138 is 48 spots higher than it was 8 hours ago, it's still climbing. If Glee didn't exsist this would be a lot closer Not to mentions Lee and Cyrstal's songs!
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on May 27, 2010 17:57:39 GMT -5
Crazychick here claims TT didn't enter the top 100 after AI because most of the hardcore fans already bought the single when it was released to Itunes and thus didn't buy it now.. it sold only 8K that week, and how many people were watching yesterday, 24M? So how exactly did the 1st week's sales make such an impact and blocked it from entering the top 100? And 8K for a new song version with an Itunes cover? "Voodoo" sold about 8K the week it was released as part of Adam's remixes EP to Itunes without a special "Voodoo" cover and with 0 promotion.. so 8K first week for a new version with a cover isn't much imo. I'm not sure about the theory that, because the hard core fans bought TT first week that it shouldn't be getting sales this week, holds, but I certainly don't agree that 8K first week for TT was something to sneeze at. It got a "new cover" - but how much did iTunes promote it? Was there a banner? If so, was it on the pop page, music page or main page of iTunes? What about one of those mini banners? How many people besides Kris's hard core fans and folks on Pulse who read this subforum knew that it existed? IMO, all of those are waaaaaay more important than whether Jive thought to stick a new cover on the song. New cover means squat if it's not promoted. If it was promoted, then fine... if not, then covers don't matter. The idea that TT isn't receiving much radio airplay is a huge factor in its sales this week. People are more likely to purchase a song after a live performance if they're already familiar with it. It's like, "oh, I know that song. Yeah, I think I'll buy that now." Even Jordin's songs -- OSAAT and Battlefield had some radio airplay when she performed them. At least moreso than TT. If you check out the songs that don't get huge bumps after being performed on American Idol, it's usually the ones that either have no radio airplay, very minimal radio airplay, or radio airplay only on a non-mainstream format, like Urban AC or something.
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Post by lockebox on May 27, 2010 17:58:42 GMT -5
#138 is 48 spots higher than it was 8 hours ago, it's still climbing. If Glee didn't exsist this would be a lot closer Not to mentions Lee and Cyrstal's songs! Yeah, then it'd be at #128.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 18:02:54 GMT -5
There are 20+ Glee and Idol Songs ahead plus Carrie Underwoods Undo It.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 18:07:06 GMT -5
There are 20+ Glee and Idol Songs ahead plus Carrie Underwoods Undo It. And? There were more AI songs in the top 100 last year, more than the Glee + AI songs this year I think, and that didn't stop Cook..
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Post by MOWE on May 27, 2010 18:07:50 GMT -5
LOL yeah, but I think that's how they usual do it, no? I remember Cook was the first last year. Yep- Kris's performance was handled exactly the same way returning winners have always been handled in the finales- first, quick, and with no fanfare. Can't blame the lack of an Idol bump on this- it's just a crappy song. There was an Idol bump. It wasn't huge, but it reached a new peak I believe (it's currently in the 130's). I don't think it was even in the Top 200 pre-Idol. Given that he performed within the first 20 mins of a 2 hour show filled with performances, I'd say that's something.
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Post by ZAYN on May 27, 2010 18:08:23 GMT -5
^ Too bad cook was 2 years ago.
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 18:13:19 GMT -5
^ Too bad cook was 2 years ago. LOL, Cook performed last year a year after he won AI and Kris performed this year a year after he won AI.. where is the difference? ;)
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Post by MOWE on May 27, 2010 18:14:23 GMT -5
I think "September" Idol bump was good for a song that basically sold over 1M as an album track and had 0 spins at that time.. but Kris is last year's AI winner, performing to the audience who voted for him last year, and this should have been enough for it to break the top 100 in Itunes.. Daughtry didn't perform their song on the AI finale night, which is over 2 hrs long and FILLED with performances. Also, Daughtry came out in 2006, is on their second album, and has had an opportunity to establish a fanbase that will buy albums/singles based on their name alone. I don't know why you would compare their bump to Kris's ???
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Post by sublime83 on May 27, 2010 18:18:39 GMT -5
Cook's was also a charity single. Compare it with Let it Be or something since you folks like the my Idol does better than your Idol game.
Anyways, any pre-test spins to report from pop stations?
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Post by strawberries on May 27, 2010 18:21:43 GMT -5
Oh for the life of gawd, I think this song was back approaching the 1000's after his initial week wasn't it? It did see a great bump if it wasn't like Cook, or Adam or name your fav idol well goodie for them.,. Not getting the point.
Idol aren't all the same in re; to fanbase, genre and the list goes on and on. Its bad enough he was basically dismissed in the beginning but even the song was shortened lol. Kris ain't Cook, he's not Adam, he's Kris. Judge him by his standards and what he's done so far for virtually no airplay and no promotion, the song is doing respectable and will only pickup with airplay.
Plus the song is still climbing and this is the second version of it! for all intent purposes he introduced the song to the american public last night. As for his core fanbase, well they already bought the album with the original version, don't expect the same amt to buy a cover that is not that drastically different and that some still aren't keen on.
eta; Tks My Own Worst Enemy for the important distinction of a jammed pack finale with numerous performances as opposed to a couple performances on any other night aka daughtry.
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Post by Ke$haStan on May 27, 2010 18:23:26 GMT -5
The Adam stans really hate Kris
All Glee and Idol Songs Ahead:
4.Beautiful Day-Lee DeWyze 8.Up To The Mountain-Cyrstal Bowersox 9.Poker Face (Glee Cast Version) 13.Undo It-Carrie Underwood 14.Hallelujah-Lee DeWyze 19.Falling Slowly-Lee & Cyrstal 20.Bad Romance (Glee Cast Version) 23.Poker Face (Glee Cast Version) 27.Everybody Hurts-Lee DeWyze 28.The Boxer-Lee DeWyze¸ 29.Beth (Glee Cast Version) 42.Leave Right Now-Will Young 48.Black Velvet-Cyrstal Bowersox 56.I Dreamed A Dream (Glee Cast Version) 57.Me and Bobby McGee-Cyrstal Bowersox 61.Jessies Girl (Glee Cast Version) 63.Dream On (Glee Cast Version) 64.Simple Man-Lee DeWyze 67.Funny Girl (Glee Cast Version) 90.Shout It Loud (Glee Cast Version) 112.Total Eclipse Of The Heart (Glee Cast Version) 113.Beautiful Day-U2 131.Your Still The One-Lee DeWyze 135.Safety Dance (Glee Cast Version)
I might of missed some, but (as far as I can see) there are 23 Glee and Idol songs ahead of it which would make it Number 113 (It just moved 2 spots up to 136 :) )
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