Breaking Benjamin - Lights Out

[metalfan87]

www.aolradioblog.com/2010/05/26/breaking-benjamin-lights-out/

[PHOBES]

booo

This'd be their worst single since "Skin," "Crawl" is the obvious choice if they wanna go with a heavier track. I wanted "Without You."

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

you have to be kidding me, that must be my least favorite song from the album

[jvandyck87]

I'm actually really digging this song. And I haven't liked any of the 6 songs I've heard off the album other than "Crawl". That intro riff is brutal, even if this song sounds like a total Sevendust/Dark New Day ripoff. The guitar on this is a poor man's Clint Lowery and the drumming a poor man's Morgan Rose. Granted, Breaking Benjamin is a lot less poor than Sevendust from a financial standpoint.

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

they came with two surprises in this album, first with the release of Give Me A Sign and now this, i think what they achieved so far from this era, is to destroy what I Will Not Bow began

i found songs like, Without You, Dear Agony, Into the Nothing and Crawl much better choices

[pen]

I wanted "What Lies Beneath".

[American Idiot]

I would have been happy with about half of the remaining choices on the album and this was one of them. I'm expecting it to hit Top 10 on Active for sure. I'll go with somewhere in the Top 10-20 range for Alternative only because it is the third single.

[PHOBES]

May 26, 2010 16:19:55 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I'm actually really digging this song. And I haven't liked any of the 6 songs I've heard off the album other than "Crawl". That intro riff is brutal, even if this song sounds like a total Sevendust/Dark New Day ripoff. The guitar on this is a poor man's Clint Lowery and the drumming a poor man's Morgan Rose. Granted, Breaking Benjamin is a lot less poor than Sevendust from a financial standpoint.

uh huh...say what you want about BB, Szeliga is a beast behind the kit. But admittedly, this is basically "Benjamin Burnley and Breaking Benjamin" in that Ben comes up with basic drum parts and has Chad expand upon them. There's only so much that can be done, lol.

Not to mention the fact that this is a Red riff, literally. Jasen Rauch co-wrote this one, same with "I Will Not Bow."

And this is one of your favorites that you've heard? Honestly, I'd rank it next-to or third-to-last on the album. Granted, "Give Me a Sign" is top two for me.

EDIT: What the heck.

1. Without You
2. Give Me a Sign
3. Crawl
4. Dear Agony
5. What Lies Beneath
6. Into the Nothing
7. Anthem of the Angels
8. I Will Not Bow
9. Fade Away
10. Lights Out
11. Hopeless

*Subject to change

[jvandyck87]

^Well granted I probably like heavier music than you and definitely like Breaking Benjamin less than you do. So I probably like this song about the same as you, and dislike the rest of the album a lot more than you. I do like Breaking Benjamin enough to include them in my ultra long list of bands I like on facebook, but I don't have too much attachment for them.

As for Chad, I admit he's an awesome drummer. His cymbal work in "Until The End" is phenomenal. I just think that the beat in this song and the riff feel like the type of riffs and beats that were present on Sevendust's 2001 'Animosity' album before any record I've heard. "The Diary Of Jane" is guilty of the same thing.

[PHOBES]

No denying the influences, but I can't really comment on it since I really haven't listened most Sevendust albums more than a couple times (though I'm in the minority that really liked Chapter 7). I always give Sevendust the benefit of the doubt, but I seldom find more than a few tracks I like to listen to repeatedly.

And I realize your taste is much heavier than mine, haha.

[Jaws]

1. Anthem of the Angels
2. I Will Not Bow
3. Give Me A Sign
4. Without You
5. What Lies Beneath
6. Crawl
7. Dear Agony
8. Into the Nothing
9. Lights Out
10. Hopeless
11. Fade Away

Not too happy with this choice but I have a feeling it will grow on me, hopefully it will do well.

[lockebox]

I may aswell follow suit...

1. I Will Not Bow
2. Crawl
3. Fade Away
4. Give Me a Sign
5. Dear Agony
6. Anthem of the Angels
7. What Lies Beneath
8. Lights Out
9. Without You
10. Into the Nothing
11. Hopeless

[Shadows in the Dark]

I think this is pretty good. Should do well on Active, might be a bit heavy for Alternative though.

[lockebox]

Official adds date: June 15th (allaccess)

[killzone]

They have better songs...What Lies Beneath, Fade Away, Crawl, Without You.

[rowellfarm490]

Not sure if I like this choice. Lights Out definitely lacks the power of the rest of the songs from Dear Agony. It seems to be missing something that the rest of the album has. I think there were a lot of better choices at this point. Crawl, What Lies Beneath, or Without You would've been better.

The whole album is great but I'm starting to be disappointed with their single choices. Great songs like Dance With The Devil and Evil Angel were left behind last album and I fear the same will happen here with one of my favorite's What Lies Beneath.

[fran182]

Ugh. Second straight shitty choice for a Breaking Benjamin single, imo. The second and third singles, had to be "Fade Away" and "Crawl", respectively.

[pen]

May 30, 2010 11:11:32 GMT -5 @fran182 said:

Ugh. Second straight s**tty choice for a Breaking Benjamin single, imo. The second and third singles, had to be "Fade Away" and "Crawl", respectively.

Those are terrible choices and are only good if you want BB to remain an active-only band forever. "Give Me A Sign" was a brilliant choice, but this is a misstep and it should be either "What Lies Beneath" or "Dear Agony". I may allow "Fade Away" or "Crawl" just because I think BB can live with an active-only underachiever for a third single, but "Lights Out" is just ridiculous.

[jvandyck87]

Well "Give Me A Sign" was a rock chart underachiever and it doesn't seem to be doing anything on pop as of yet. I'm not saying it was a bad choice as far as showing they're not a one-trick pony, but from a pure chart numbers perspective, Fran is likely right.

[pen]

May 30, 2010 11:16:40 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

Well "Give Me A Sign" was a rock chart underachiever and it doesn't seem to be doing anything on pop as of yet. I'm not saying it was a bad choice as far as showing they're not a one-trick pony, but from a pure chart numbers perspective, Fran is likely right.

Fran is never right. And "Crawl" or "Fade Away" would've done worse. At least this hit Top 10 on both rock charts.

[jvandyck87]

Maybe they would have done worse on alternative. I feel like "Crawl" and "Fade Away" would've had a shot at #1 on active. And "Fade Away" feels similar to "So Cold" and "Diary Of Jane" (albeit worse than those monster singles), but the resemblance might have helped it fare well on alternative.

[pen]

I really honestly don't like "Fade Away" or "Crawl". They're too generic for their own good. They're standard second rate hard rock songs with not a lot of thought put into them. I know that's a matter of personal opinion, but that's where I'm coming from.

[jvandyck87]

I agree with you on "Fade Away". I like "Crawl". But Breaking Benjamin in general has become more and more generic. And I don't see what makes "Give Me A Sign" any less generic than their other songs even if it's a bit of a mellower track than the average BB song. On Phobia, the only song that I found not generic was "You Fight Me" and every song sounds generic to me on Dear Agony. BB is sorta pop-metal in the sense that the hook makes or breaks the song. You either like it or you don't, but it's not going to wow you in terms of creativity or ingenuity.

[pen]

May 30, 2010 12:55:15 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I agree with you on "Fade Away". I like "Crawl". But Breaking Benjamin in general has become more and more generic. And I don't see what makes "Give Me A Sign" any less generic than their other songs even if it's a bit of a mellower track than the average BB song. On Phobia, the only song that I found not generic was "You Fight Me" and every song sounds generic to me on Dear Agony. BB is sorta pop-metal in the sense that the hook makes or breaks the song. You either like it or you don't, but it's not going to wow you in terms of creativity or ingenuity.

I can agree with that and I guess what it boils down to is that I think "Give Me A Sign" has a much stronger hook.

[Nicholas2.0]

May 27, 2010 13:32:17 GMT -5 lockebox said:

I've never seen any Sevendust influence on the band. They've never mentioned it either. So, it's either indirect or not there at all.

While I had read Jamie's comment beforehand, the second I pressed play on "Lights Out," I honestly thought, "Holy crap! Sevendust much?"

May 30, 2010 11:20:54 GMT -5 pen said:

Fran is never right.

May 30, 2010 12:55:15 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

BB is sorta pop-metal in the sense that the hook makes or breaks the song. You either like it or you don't, but it's not going to wow you in terms of creativity or ingenuity.

Well put. I've always found them to be too formulaic and commercial for their own good.

May 30, 2010 13:18:15 GMT -5 pen said:

I guess what it boils down to is that I think "Give Me A Sign" has a much stronger hook.

"Give Me a Sign" always rubbed me the wrong way because it feels like the hook is catchy in a trying-too-hard sense. And part of that is because to me the tempo feels a tad sluggish, like Ben deliberately wants the hook to sink in.

[PHOBES]

May 30, 2010 11:16:40 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

Well "Give Me A Sign" was a rock chart underachiever and it doesn't seem to be doing anything on pop as of yet.

Which reminds me, what do they have to do to get an adds date already?

58 54 BREAKING BENJAMIN Give Me A Sign (Forever&Ever) 328 325 3 0.904

As for this, I'm sure it'll be a big hit on Active, but I just don't like it. I just hope they go four-deep this time, maybe they can redeem themselves with "Without You."

[Devin]

I think "I Will Not Bow" was a good opener and 1st single for the album, then "Give Me a Sign" was a good 2nd single since it changed the mood from the 1st single.
"Crawl" and "What Lies Beneath"/"Anthem of the Angels" should've/should be the 3rd and 4th singles, since I think they would do much better than "Lights Out". Crappy choice

[jvandyck87]

I finally heard the song "Blow Me Away" on their myspace, and I think I like it better than anything off 'Dear Agony', partly because it feels more raw than their most recent album material. What soundtrack was this found on, and is this like an outtake to 'Saturate' or 'We Are Not Alone'?

[metalfan87]

Jun 4, 2010 17:30:43 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I finally heard the song "Blow Me Away" on their myspace, and I think I like it better than anything off 'Dear Agony', partly because it feels more raw than their most recent album material. What soundtrack was this found on, and is this like an outtake to 'Saturate' or 'We Are Not Alone'?

Halo 2 Soundtrack

[pen]

Jun 4, 2010 17:30:43 GMT -5 jvandyck87 said:

I finally heard the song "Blow Me Away" on their myspace, and I think I like it better than anything off 'Dear Agony', partly because it feels more raw than their most recent album material. What soundtrack was this found on, and is this like an outtake to 'Saturate' or 'We Are Not Alone'?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blow_Me_Away#Volume_one