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Post by Junkiex on Jun 20, 2011 17:31:05 GMT -5
I need to express my love for this album. I have not been able to stop listening to it since I first did last week. It's been the only album which has stopped me from listening to Loud so often. Anyways, this album is pure genius. My favorite so far is Fashion of His Love, tho I'm on team Marry The Night for next single. Sheisse, Hair, You and I and Heavymetal Lover are true standouts as well. Only song I always skip is Americano.
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Post by darko95 on Jun 20, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
Marry The Night should be next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 17:47:17 GMT -5
OMG YES!  DNW MTN. |
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Post by strikeleo on Jun 20, 2011 17:57:58 GMT -5
labels should never listen to the fans, they always end up choosing the wrong singles. Scheiße wouldn't do much for this album, it's not radio friendly at all.
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:00:31 GMT -5
"Sheiße" is a great track but would never work in the US. It would fly over most people's heads. I don't think so.. Everyone I know loves it. No one understood what Nelly Furtado said in "Say It Right". Didn't stop that song from being a hit. LOL! Not to mention, its one of the most downloaded tracks from the album. I understand why people think it would flop, and why people are concerned, but songs can have elements of other languages in them and do well. Although, given how huge GaGa is, if she didn't Scheiße internationally, as well a club single, it could still be a hit here even without US radio support. It could end up doing what "Don't Stop the Music" did. That one was a club only track in the US, and released internationally and then took off here despite people think it would flop because it was "too euro". I think Scheiße has a good amount of US commercial and a good amount of different that it wouldn't be too generic, or too different. Judas was too harsh. This would definitely do better than Judas. |
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Post by sbk on Jun 20, 2011 18:06:54 GMT -5
I'm here for HAIR as the next single. Scheiße is just a lesser version of Judas to me  |
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Jun 20, 2011 18:07:30 GMT -5
The general public wouldn't even know how to pronounce the title, much less know its literal translation (which certainly doesn't help matters either). LOL. Aside from it being one of the most instant tracks, there is nothing about it that would make it a good single here. It's clearly a fan favorite but that wouldn't make it a good single.
"Judas" flopped for completely different reasons but I couldn't see it doing any better. There is too much working against its mainstream appeal, which Gaga still relies on heavily. She can't get away with releasing fan favorites if casual listeners/fans won't take to it. And let's be real, they won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 18:09:06 GMT -5
I want the rest of the era to go:
Scheiße/ Hair
Hair/ Scheiße
Yoü And I
End era.
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Post by strikeleo on Jun 20, 2011 18:10:04 GMT -5
Marry the Night, on the other hand, is a hit waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 18:13:29 GMT -5
Marry the Night, on the other hand, is a hit waiting to happen. I find it to be an average song tbh. It would barely scrap the top 10 if it were released. |
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:16:55 GMT -5
The general public wouldn't even know how to pronounce the title, much less know its literal translation (which certainly doesn't help matters either). LOL. Aside from it being one of the most instant tracks, there is nothing about it that would make it a good single here. It's clearly a fan favorite but that wouldn't make it a good single. "Judas" flopped for completely different reasons but I couldn't see it doing any better. There is too much working against its mainstream appeal, which Gaga still relies on heavily. She can't get away with releasing fan favorites if casual listeners/fans won't take to it. And let's be real, they won't. LOL! I still think the public would take to it better than most think it would. It was also one of the most played album tracks during release week on radio. I still think they could try the DSTM approach. I'd be for that. Releasing it internationally and then as a club single and do a video. She's Lady GaGa and people are checking for her. If the song gets a good reaction here in the US from the video and club play, it could easily take off just like DSTM did. I also don't think there's very many radio friendly tracks on the album. Which is why I think she should do a bunch of videos and use those as promo. Someone with her star power, interest, and money can promote an albu successfully without radio. The album is damn good, but not commercial or generic. Which can hinder it getting radio play. Stars who don't have people checking for them can't get away with making music videos and releasing them to VEVO/YouTube because.. No ones checking for them. Lol. |
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Post by strikeleo on Jun 20, 2011 18:20:15 GMT -5
Marry the Night, on the other hand, is a hit waiting to happen. I find it to be an average song tbh. It would barely scrap the top 10 if it were released. Average is all radio wants from Gaga, for instance, Edge of Glory... |
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:22:27 GMT -5
I find it to be an average song tbh. It would barely scrap the top 10 if it were released. Average is all radio wants from Gaga, for instance, Edge of Glory... Girl, please leave with that comment. LOL! |
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Jun 20, 2011 18:23:08 GMT -5
An international/club release accompanied by a hot video would be fine by me.
Meanwhile, release a safer choice for the US. There aren't any smashes left on the album but she can't afford another flop when "Judas" was so recent and I'd hate to see them squander the amazing momentum they've created with "The Edge of Glory" on a far-left choice like "Shieße." She'd essentially be back at square one.
Go with "Hair" or something safer for fourth single here in the States. Then if "Schieße" miraculously crossed over on its own due to the video and underground US popularity, then great. No loss. She really needs to be smart with the next single because that will essentially decide on this album's longevity and her momentum going into the next era. Very vital moment in her career.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 18:26:57 GMT -5
The general public wouldn't even know how to pronounce the title, much less know its literal translation (which certainly doesn't help matters either). LOL. Aside from it being one of the most instant tracks, there is nothing about it that would make it a good single here. It's clearly a fan favorite but that wouldn't make it a good single. "Judas" flopped for completely different reasons but I couldn't see it doing any better. There is too much working against its mainstream appeal, which Gaga still relies on heavily. She can't get away with releasing fan favorites if casual listeners/fans won't take to it. And let's be real, they won't. Reasons I think "Scheiße" would not perform well in the US. 1. The title is a non-American word. The majority of Americans have no idea how to pronounce it. Not only that, but it uses a character that is not part of the English language. It also complicates matters because Americans who hear the song would have no idea what the title is, because they're not going to assume a word they are unfamiliar with is the title of the song. That leaves people having to search a little more than usual to figure out what "that new Lady Gaga song" is. 2. The foreign title makes it more difficult to sing along and relate to. People will actually have to look up the meaning to the song to get a real idea of what the song is about. People like songs that they can relate to easily without having to Google the lyrics to get any idea of what the song is about. The "Judas" lyrics likely flew over radio listeners' heads for the same reason. People seemed to be aware that it was a Biblical reference, but that was not enough to really make sense of the song. It just made it weird to sing along to and relate to. 3. Translated, the foreign title is profane. 4. The industrial influenced beats backing the verses are too far removed from what's popular at radio. It's well-known that music does not succeed commercially when it veers too far from what people are used to. A popular artist like Gaga might be able to get away with a single that has hard industrial beats if that's the only thing about the song that separates it from everything else that is popular. A single that not only uses industrial beats, but features many lyrics in a foreign language, and is titled after a profane word in a foreign language is just taking things and pushing them way too left of the middle. |
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:30:08 GMT -5
My only issue with Hair is it's so long, and I don't know what they'd cut out. Plus, despite growing on me and being catchy,
I think it's production it's rather generic and amateurish(?). Not sure how to describe it, but something about it still makes me hesitant of it as a single. It's more "guilty pleasure" than "chart topper". I could still see it being a success though. The only songs on the album I see doing anything at radio are Marry The Night, Yoü & I, Hair and Scheiße. All of them are a little risky, and none are guaranteed smashes, but I could see all of those being successful.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Jun 20, 2011 18:30:16 GMT -5
Agreed completely. You said it better than me.
And David, I along with many others, hated "Hair" initially before it eventually grew on me so I agree that's obviously still not a sure-bet. But I could see it's message fitting well with the overall theme of this era and with a really effective video, I could see it winning over people and doing fairly well (and better than most of the other album tracks).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 18:36:58 GMT -5
My only issue with Hair is it's so long, and I don't know what they'd cut out. Plus, despite growing on me and being catchy, I think it's production it's rather generic and amateurish(?). Not sure how to describe it, but something about it still makes me hesitant of it as a single. It's more "guilty pleasure" than "chart topper". I could still see it being a success though. The only songs on the album I see doing anything at radio are Marry The Night, Yoü & I, Hair and Scheiße. All of them are a little risky, and none are guaranteed smashes, but I could see all of those being successful. I don't think "Hair" or "Yoü & I" would really be that risky. "Hair" is still very much in the same vein as "The Edge of Glory". Plus it has those crowd chants that people love in their dance music. People's biggest complaint with "Hair" is that the lyrics are asinine and juvenile. May I remind them that we're talking about pop radio here. "Yoü & I" is actually probably less risky now than it would have been a few years ago. There have been a number of country crossovers in the past few years, and Taylor Swift managed a handful of big crossover hits. Pop radio has warmed back up to country music for the first time in a long time lately. That said, it's not like it's a full-on country song. It's a pop song with country influences. On top of that, it has a very simple melody and the lyrics are straight-forward. I realize people find it disappointing that she could put out an album like Born this Way and go and release the most basic pop songs on the album, but it's not like pop radio owes Gaga and will just play anything she puts out. She has every right to put out an album like Born this Way, but pop radio has every right to reject her singles if they are too different from everything else on pop radio to get listeners to bite. They did it with "Judas" and they'll do it again. |
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:42:25 GMT -5
Agreed completely. You said it better than me. And David, I along with many others, hated "Hair" initially before it eventually grew on me so I agree that's obviously still not a sure-bet. But I could see it's message fitting well with the overall theme of this era and with a really effective video, I could see it winning over people and doing fairly well (and better than most of the other album tracks). Yeah. Very true. Jazzy, you definitely bring up some very valid points. I guess I kind of agree then. They could, however, retitle it "Schieße" and in parenthesis put "The German Song" or "I Wish" and then put a single up on iTunes. I guess I think international/club only release with a video is the best bet for Schieße. Then, if it takes off on US radios on it's own, like DSTM, then even better. |
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Post by When I Ruled the World on Jun 20, 2011 18:45:04 GMT -5
Agreed completely. You said it better than me. And David, I along with many others, hated "Hair" initially before it eventually grew on me so I agree that's obviously still not a sure-bet. But I could see it's message fitting well with the overall theme of this era and with a really effective video, I could see it winning over people and doing fairly well (and better than most of the other album tracks). *raises hand* yep, I didn't understand at all when she said that "Hair" was a favorite of those around her, but I totally get it now. As many have said, I want "Scheisse" as an international 4th single and "Hair" as a US 4th single. If "Scheisse" can somehow make it here, then great. Otherwise, MTN or Y&I for the 5th. The album is so amazing. I love it. |
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 18:50:40 GMT -5
My only issue with Hair is it's so long, and I don't know what they'd cut out. Plus, despite growing on me and being catchy, I think it's production it's rather generic and amateurish(?). Not sure how to describe it, but something about it still makes me hesitant of it as a single. It's more "guilty pleasure" than "chart topper". I could still see it being a success though. The only songs on the album I see doing anything at radio are Marry The Night, Yoü & I, Hair and Scheiße. All of them are a little risky, and none are guaranteed smashes, but I could see all of those being successful. I don't think "Hair" or "Yoü & I" would really be that risky. "Hair" is still very much in the same vein as "The Edge of Glory". Plus it has those crowd chants that people love in their dance music. People's biggest complaint with "Hair" is that the lyrics are asinine and juvenile. May I remind them that we're talking about pop radio here. Hahaha. Yeah! Lyrics definitely don't matter as much as people on here like to think they do. At least not when the lyrics are juvenile or asinine. Offensive, yes, but Hair is definitely not offensive. Also, her stripped down version is brilliant. I'd like a stripped down album of her songs to be put on iTunes or something. Like an unplugged type album. "Yoü & I" is actually probably less risky now than it would have been a few years ago. There have been a number of country crossovers in the past few years, and Taylor Swift managed a handful of big crossover hits. Pop radio has warmed back up to country music for the first time in a long time lately. That said, it's not like it's a full-on country song. It's a pop song with country influences. On top of that, it has a very simple melody and the lyrics are straight-forward. I realize people find it disappointing that she could put out an album like Born this Way and go and release the most basic pop songs on the album, but it's not like pop radio owes Gaga and will just play anything she puts out. She has every right to put out an album like Born this Way, but pop radio has every right to reject her singles if they are too different from everything else on pop radio to get listeners to bite. They did it with "Judas" and they'll do it again. Very true. She probably just did this album too early in her career. Kind of like Back To Basics was too early in Christina's career. Her being around for over 7 years is irrelevant, it was only her 3rd English studio album. Too soon. Yoü & I could definitely work after Hair then. Or after Scheiße if it ends up taking off on it's own here. I also don't know if Hair is a good bet for an international release anyways or Yoü & I. Hair might be better. They could do Hair next and then follow it up with Yoü & I in the US and Scheiße internationally. Then end the era and come back fall 2013. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 18:55:28 GMT -5
There have also been so many examples of the fan-favorite singles that labels release after letting the fans decide that have gone on to severely underperform that I'm shocked labels still ask the fans what they want to see released. Often times it seems like fan favorites are the ones that show a different side of the artist. Unfortunately, that's basically the exact opposite of what the general radio listening public wants. If an artist is known for mindless dance music, the contemplative ballad is going to take the general public much longer to warm up to if they warm up to it at all. The hardcore fans don't have anything to warm up to because the artist has already won them over. Labels should be more concerned with winning over people who haven't already bought the album than appealing to people who support everything the artist does. I mean what do they really accomplish by appealing to the hardcore fans?
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Post by David on Jun 20, 2011 19:10:41 GMT -5
There have also been so many examples of the fan-favorite singles that labels release after letting the fans decide that have gone on to severely underperform that I'm shocked labels still ask the fans what they want to see released. Often times it seems like fan favorites are the ones that show a different side of the artist. Unfortunately, that's basically the exact opposite of what the general radio listening public wants. If an artist is known for mindless dance music, the contemplative ballad is going to take the general public much longer to warm up to if they warm up to it at all. The hardcore fans don't have anything to warm up to because the artist has already won them over. Labels should be more concerned with winning over people who haven't already bought the album than appealing to people who support everything the artist does. I mean what do they really accomplish by appealing to the hardcore fans? Very true! The same kinda thing can be said about them using iTunes as a gauge for what to release. Not sure if it was intentional or just coincidence, but the singles from The Fame all ended up being the highest charting album tracks on iTunes prior to release. So that would have worked out if they used iTunes. iTunes, though, is a better way to gauge than fan picks. Still not an effective method, but its probably a better idea. Also, I hope her label asked for some feedback from those stations that played the album tracks. They need it at this point. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 20, 2011 20:19:55 GMT -5
I think Scheisse is definitely too hard sounding for radio. It's my favourite album track right now for sure but I think part of what made Judas not work was how intense it was to the ears. Despite the ongoing debate that people believed it was the subject matter or lack of relate-ability, I think it was definitely purely with how it sounded. It was too polarizing. I feel that Scheisse would have the same effect to people other than fans of GaGa/this album. I'd be for giving it a video and perhaps giving it an official release to clubs or Europe, for sure.
I think I may be on team Marry The Night for the next single. It's far from being one of my favourites on the record but it is pretty radio friendly and I agree with the suggestion that radio wants something average from GaGa now. The Edge of Glory is smashing because, while it's GaGa, it's not really what she's delivered before. Marry The Night is probably the most toned-down song on the record that radio would attach to.
I'm also on team You And I, but not until later on. I think it's a perfect radio single and will follow up The Edge Of Glory on Hot AC formats while showing radio a non-dance side to her that she's yet to show. I do wonder if the Queen sample would help it or hurt it. On one hand, GaGa has faced way too many rip-off accusations with this album and even though this song does give credit to the sample, people might not buy it. That might be just a dumb point on my part though.
I also quite like Bloody Mary but I feel that Judas ruined any chance of that being released... at least it should have. I think she needs to step away from religious-related imagery for the rest of this album. Maybe give Bad Kids a chance.
I love Hair and as radio-friendly as it might be, and as much as I've warmed up to it being potentially radio-friendly lyrically, I still think it might be too cheesy for the radio audience. I thought it was cheesy on my first few listens. It grew on me but I'm also 1000x more tolerant of GaGa than most people so...
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Post by Junkiex on Jun 20, 2011 21:04:53 GMT -5
Scheisse is definitely one of my favorite tracks so far, but I can't see it performing well as a single, for many reasons that have been previously stated here. Hair could also work, but I still think MTN is the safest smash. Yoü and I should be the closing single.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jun 20, 2011 22:03:33 GMT -5
Shiesse or You And I
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Post by Black Jesus on Jun 20, 2011 22:09:24 GMT -5
I have a very bad feeling releasing Hair would be a terrible move. I honestly don't even know if it could reach NMT's peak (#21).
I was listening to the album today and I honestly think the next single should be Bloody Mary. I think it's one of the most radio friendly singles on the album with the blaring bass and electronic overtone.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jun 20, 2011 22:18:46 GMT -5
Bloody Mary is terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 22:35:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far but it's certainly not in the top half of the album IMO. |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 20, 2011 22:46:45 GMT -5
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