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Post by pen on Dec 13, 2010 20:53:45 GMT -5
And that's kinda why I said becoming a staple, not remaining one. If they're not remaining a staple, then they're not a staple. Maybe they were becoming a staple, but they won't now.
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Post by Devin on Dec 14, 2010 15:12:15 GMT -5
^ Their next lead single will probably debut in the Top 40 in the first week, but after that, they'll disappear from the active rock scene with every album.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 18:15:56 GMT -5
That's a bit of a stretch, considering they haven't even recorded one yet. It will depend on the quality of the music, not the band name. But considering they have a perfect top 40 active record, it would be very strange if they disappeared altogether.
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Post by rockmaniac on Dec 14, 2010 18:27:49 GMT -5
-- 36 HINDER UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 34,159 -- ALL AMERICAN NIGHTMARE
how disappointing
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 18:30:12 GMT -5
Um, did you not just post it was projected to sell in the 25,000 range?!? Sounds like a major surprise to me. I'll wait for single two before I decide to buy it, although All-American Nightmare might be the best I've heard them.
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Post by rockmaniac on Dec 14, 2010 18:34:35 GMT -5
it's not the sales. it's the peak that caught me by surprise.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 18:37:57 GMT -5
I see what you mean, but it's all relative during the holiday sales season. I'm not sure a metal band with Nightmare in the title and that provocative cover will make a lot of stockings this Christmas!
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Post by lockebox on Dec 14, 2010 18:43:02 GMT -5
Since when was Hinder a metal band? And not suprised by the peak position or sales. Their last album was far from successful, as Pen mentioned.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 18:55:43 GMT -5
Or Alt/Metal, it's impossible to categorize most artists. But the last album should have bombed. Howes basically created a song-for-song sequel to the first one. Fans were smart enough to spread the word that it was a clone. Hinder cleverly parted ways, and just based on this song alone have distinguished itself from the Behavious I/II albums.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 14, 2010 19:14:07 GMT -5
Wait, are sales up that high this time of year that 34,000 copies puts you at #36 when earlier in the year, that would have had a shot at top 10? How many Xmas albums are ahead of it? Geez.
Oh well, it's not like I was rooting for this to do well. I'm just shocked that sales that high can yield a spot that low on the chart. You'd think this was the beginning of the decade or something.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 20:56:46 GMT -5
Not a very Hinder Christmas. If they would've waited til say mid-January, this would've ranked between 5 and 7 with those sales.
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Post by bhowes on Dec 14, 2010 21:55:51 GMT -5
All right. I gotta chime in here. Haven't been on here for a couple years and was bored in the studio. Here are the facts. Take it to Limit - Went Gold, considering the times, not bad. Use me and Without you did pretty well. As far as the direction, it was a producer, band, label decision. The label wanted us to go in a totally 80's direction. As far as the band turfing me, untrue. They asked me to do the record and I unfortunately couldn't do it due to scheduling issues. Tied up on the POP side of things. I actually like the new record a lot and think Churko did a great job. They needed to go heavier and I'm headed in the other direction. Between both albums we sold 4 mill records worldwide and had some rock and pop hits around the world, inc the BMI song of the year in 2007, so somebody must have liked it. I wish the guys all the best and had a great ride with them over the past few years. I'm knee deep in the POP world now and having a blast. 2 Top 10's and 4 mill singles sold with BLG and just finished the new Simple Plan record due out in 2011. A slew of idol hits and misc other singles. Prob most proud of Skillet Comatose. Cert Gold Get a life Artie
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Post by Devin on Dec 14, 2010 22:05:46 GMT -5
All right. I gotta chime in here. Haven't been on here for a couple years and was bored in the studio. Here are the facts. Take it to Limit - Went Gold, considering the times, not bad. Use me and Without you did pretty well. As far as the direction, it was a producer, band, label decision. The label wanted us to go in a totally 80's direction. As far as the band turfing me, untrue. They asked me to do the record and I unfortunately couldn't do it due to scheduling issues. Tied up on the POP side of things. I actually like the new record a lot and think Churko did a great job. They needed to go heavier and I'm headed in the other direction. Between both albums we sold 4 mill records worldwide and had some rock and pop hits around the world, inc the BMI song of the year in 2007, so somebody must have liked it. I wish the guys all the best and had a great ride with them over the past few years. I'm knee deep in the POP world now and having a blast. 2 Top 10's and 4 mill singles sold with BLG and just finished the new Simple Plan record due out in 2011. A slew of idol hits and misc other singles. Prob most proud of Skillet Comatose. Cert Gold Get a life Artie Are you actually Brian Howes? :o
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Post by bhowes on Dec 14, 2010 22:16:40 GMT -5
Yes. Canadians don't lie. Actually Canadiens. (I'm a Habs fan)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 14, 2010 23:16:07 GMT -5
Sorry, Detroit fan. I loved Get Stoned, How Long, and Homecoming Queen from the first album.
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Post by bhowes on Dec 15, 2010 0:48:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. I agree. We all got lazy on the second record and didn't dig enough on the songs. Too much partying, not enough work.
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Post by pen on Dec 15, 2010 0:49:39 GMT -5
All right. I gotta chime in here. Haven't been on here for a couple years and was bored in the studio. Here are the facts. Take it to Limit - Went Gold, considering the times, not bad. Use me and Without you did pretty well. As far as the direction, it was a producer, band, label decision. The label wanted us to go in a totally 80's direction. As far as the band turfing me, untrue. They asked me to do the record and I unfortunately couldn't do it due to scheduling issues. Tied up on the POP side of things. I actually like the new record a lot and think Churko did a great job. They needed to go heavier and I'm headed in the other direction. Between both albums we sold 4 mill records worldwide and had some rock and pop hits around the world, inc the BMI song of the year in 2007, so somebody must have liked it. I wish the guys all the best and had a great ride with them over the past few years. I'm knee deep in the POP world now and having a blast. 2 Top 10's and 4 mill singles sold with BLG and just finished the new Simple Plan record due out in 2011. A slew of idol hits and misc other singles. Prob most proud of Skillet Comatose. Cert Gold Get a life Artie I really have no words for this except there totally needs to be a new Closure album.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 15, 2010 0:52:23 GMT -5
^Seconded. "Look Out Below" was a fairly big hit at my local active rock station. And I like what Skillet did on 'Comatose' a LOT better than on their most recent album so don't abandon the rock side of the biz altogether.
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Post by bhowes on Dec 15, 2010 0:52:34 GMT -5
Hahahaha. I'd love to go on the road again. Been way too long. My wife would leave me though. Actually, How long was originally a Closure song
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Post by bhowes on Dec 15, 2010 0:53:48 GMT -5
Thx man. Love Skillet. Those guys can play their asses off
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Post by American Idiot on Dec 15, 2010 13:50:26 GMT -5
Ooooo...We better not ever discuss hockey then or we're going to have problems
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Post by pen on Dec 15, 2010 14:02:37 GMT -5
I have a confession to make. I listened to this album today, and I....kinda liked it a little.
Oh god, what have I done?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 15, 2010 14:13:48 GMT -5
Me too! I went out and picked it up this morning after all the discussion last night. After only one listen, I am impressed mostly. They have distinguished themselves from the Seether/Nickelback/Insert any Canadian alt metal band name here sound with a sense of style and humor. Hey Ho sounds like a standout single. As for crossover, Everybody's Wrong passes Lips Of An Angel by miles. Striptease is a bit too cliché for me, but sounds like another hit to be played side-by-side with Porn Star Dancing.
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Post by pen on Dec 15, 2010 14:38:41 GMT -5
Seether sounds nothing like Nickelback and I think I'd rather die than agree with you on anything.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Dec 15, 2010 14:44:28 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. I'd add Theory Of A Deadman and maybe Saving Abel to Seether and Nickelback to make the genre almost complete.
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Post by pen on Dec 15, 2010 15:47:16 GMT -5
Seether doesn't sound anything like any of those bands. If anything they sound closer to Nirvana and the grunge gang.
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Post by lockebox on Dec 15, 2010 15:56:52 GMT -5
Seether doesn't sound anything like Nickelback & Staind? Sorry they do. All the bands mentioned there blend the grunge packs sound into 1, whilst smoothing it out.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 15, 2010 16:13:09 GMT -5
I think Seether is more appropriately grouped with Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, Shinedown, and Puddle of Mudd in the current spectrum of active rock. The only band among those that might make sense grouped above is Puddle Of Mudd as they occasionally venture into cock rock with some of their novelty songs.
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Post by pen on Dec 15, 2010 16:27:09 GMT -5
Seether doesn't sound anything like Nickelback & Staind? Sorry they do. All the bands mentioned there blend the grunge packs sound into 1, whilst smoothing it out. Nobody mentioned Staind, for one. For two, no they don't. It's pretty clear how different Seether sounds from Staind. I really have no clue how you could have that opinion unless you just tune out any active rock band on the radio.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Dec 15, 2010 16:48:44 GMT -5
I have a confession to make. I listened to this album today, and I....kinda liked it a little. Oh god, what have I done? Oh no, you've gone soft on me! Especially with this coming immediately after confessing that you don't mind the new Hollywood Undead single...I feel like I'm losing you.
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