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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jul 23, 2010 9:42:38 GMT -5
*sigh* I didn't say music isn't entertainment. I said it also has other purposes Seriously, what other purposes does music have? It's not going to cook you dinner or do your washing. I'm genuinely interested. Hello? Music is art. How about all the others things that go along with it being art?Yes, I'm clearly saying people should not be invested in production ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Seriously, if you can't parse my posts, stop responding to me. I really think education and communication are uses that can stand on their own.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 23, 2010 9:49:42 GMT -5
But they're uses that are derived from an individual being entertained. You're going to have a very difficult time educating and communicating with someone who's bored.
"Art" is a term that grows increasingly subjective in the modern world, just saying.
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Post by weaver on Jul 23, 2010 10:16:41 GMT -5
I agree that some of the songs on the list are bad, but California Gurls is by no means the worst summer song ever. Mambo #5 anyone?? And All I Wanna Do does NOT belong on that list at all.
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Post by worldwide on Jul 23, 2010 10:20:19 GMT -5
I'm not. Absolutely not. I've always found lyrical content to be held too high up on a pedestal while sonic qualities have been underrated. Seriously. To be honest, I care a lot more about the melody and production of a song than the lyrics. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Does that mean I am 'a shallow person who doesn't understand the music,' worldwide? ??? Don't get me wrong. I make a difference between what I like and what's good. For example, I like California Gurls but I know it's bad and really stupid. There are some songs i don't like but I find them good. Songs are far more than melodies, lyrics are what makes a good song and sometimes good melody/production.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jul 23, 2010 11:32:54 GMT -5
But they're uses that are derived from an individual being entertained. You're going to have a very difficult time educating and communicating with someone who's bored. In this case the enthrallment aids in the education or communication. When you sing a song about a subject in a classroom, you are educating first and entertaining second. It's entirely correct to say all music undertakings relate with entertainment, but don't say it is entertainment exclusively. That just isn't valid.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jul 23, 2010 11:38:35 GMT -5
![](http://i40.tinypic.com/2rgkp60.jpg) You can so tell that this was written by a pressed boomer ass-kisser. lmao. exactlyOh goody, another list made by a hipster critic who feels "mainstream" music is beneath him. this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 13:15:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but those are all conditional imo, and they're somewhat extensions of being entertained. The primary purpose of music is entertainment. You're making my point far more effectively than I am. Hello? Music is art. How about all the others things that go along with it being art?Nobody's going to watch a film, listen to music or go to a gallery that they don't find entertaining or at least hope to find entertaining. I really think education and communication are uses that can stand on their own. I think we're going to need examples of the education and communication we're talking about. Clearly most educational music hangs on the people you're teaching being entertained, otherwise you wouldn't bother teaching using music at all.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jul 23, 2010 13:42:29 GMT -5
I don't understand why you still think I don't think music is entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 13:48:36 GMT -5
I don't think that.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jul 23, 2010 14:07:37 GMT -5
Then why are you arguing with me? As far as I can tell we have no disagreements other than negligible semantics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 14:45:17 GMT -5
I just like arguing with strangers on the internet. It makes me feel big.
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Post by worldwide on Jul 23, 2010 15:03:19 GMT -5
![](http://i40.tinypic.com/2rgkp60.jpg) You can so tell that this was written by a pressed boomer ass-kisser. lmao. exactlyOh goody, another list made by a hipster critic who feels "mainstream" music is beneath him. this. Of course Katy Perry's fan agrees.
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 23, 2010 17:05:12 GMT -5
To educate, to communicate things which could not be said sans repercussions in another medium or which are not expressed as effectively in another medium, to forge a common bond amongst individuals or groups, for ceremonial purposes, et al. Yeah, but those are all conditional imo, and they're somewhat extensions of being entertained. The primary purpose of music is entertainment. I agree that most pieces of music (and, by extension, works of art in general), serve multiple purposes simultaneously. However, there are certainly pieces of music whose primary purpose is not to entertain. For examples using the (not necessarily great examples of) purposes I came up with earlier: -To educate: while I think most educational songs are counting on entertainment for that purpose to be effective, many songs sung in classroom have education as the primary purpose of the music, entertainment as a secondary one. -To communicate: For a random example, I'm thinking something like songs sung by slaves in the U.S., or oppressed peoples in other parts. While these songs had entertainment components (e.g., helping pass time while undertaking grueling labour), they primary were used to communicate emotions or messages which would have brought harsh punishment to those who expressed the same without the veil of music. -To forge a common bond: National anthems are primarily signifiers of identity. Most of them are not particularly entertainment-oriented. -For ceremonial purposes: Songs sung in houses of worship are often not particularly entertaining (from my experience, that is - I know that's not always the case), but they are necessities for the proper completion of traditional rites or what-have-you. So I don't think it's fair to say anything is the primary purpose of music in general; I think it must be taken on a case-by-case basis. (DISCLAIMER: I'm totally here because I find this particular issue an interesting topic and have enjoyed what the rest of you have had to say about it. Please don't ask me to relate anything I've said back to the article about Time's list, which I find pretty stupid.)
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Post by tsharky on Jul 23, 2010 19:25:33 GMT -5
Summer of 69 is an all time great song, and to put it on that list in insane. In fact, it is one of the best songs of Summer ever.
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Jul 24, 2010 9:22:14 GMT -5
Who ever put this list together never listened to music before 1990!
I checked back to the summer of 1974, considered one of the worse years for Top40 music in the so-called rock & roll era, and came up with 3 guilty pleasures that are on my Ipod.
"Billy Don't Be A Hero" by Bo Donaldson & The Heywood; "The Night Chicago Died" by Paper Lace; "You're Having My Baby" by Paul Anka & Odia Coates.
I am not sure why "All I Wanna Do' is even considered a summer song, since it reached its' popularity peak in October 1994.
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Post by Rodze on Jul 24, 2010 13:21:41 GMT -5
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