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Post by brb on Nov 10, 2010 6:59:43 GMT -5
They usually do that with really adult-oriented acts though - I can't imagine them holding off that long on Lee DeWyze (before promoting him to CHR), but idk maybe you're right - I guess Chris Daughtry isn't much older, and that's what happened with September I don't think it has to do with age, but with the sound of the song. It didn't surprise me that "September" rose up the Hot AC chart first before crossing over here. I actually think it's a good move for Lee. If they put the song out now, it'll probably flop. If it can get some traction at HAC, maybe it'll have a chance at CHR. My guess is that the album is only coming out so soon because they hope to take advantage of the holiday season despite the lack of a hit single. I personally think the album could be released now because of AI contracts.. since the winner's and runner up's albums are always released at this time of the year. I think Lee will be the least selling AI winner yet and considering RCA haven't really pushed Lee (not giving him Top 40 adds date nor Itunes banner etc.) I doubt he'll get another album with RCA. JMO.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 10, 2010 21:56:20 GMT -5
I don't think it has to do with age, but with the sound of the song. It didn't surprise me that "September" rose up the Hot AC chart first before crossing over here. I actually think it's a good move for Lee. If they put the song out now, it'll probably flop. If it can get some traction at HAC, maybe it'll have a chance at CHR. My guess is that the album is only coming out so soon because they hope to take advantage of the holiday season despite the lack of a hit single. I personally think the album could be released now because of AI contracts.. since the winner's and runner up's albums are always released at this time of the year. I think Lee will be the least selling AI winner yet and considering RCA haven't really pushed Lee (not giving him Top 40 adds date nor Itunes banner etc.) I doubt he'll get another album with RCA. JMO. and i agree with ur opinion completley. i see lee selling 200k-250k total this song sold less than 10,000 units this week, actual figures arnt known. it sold 18,000 last week
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 19:56:36 GMT -5
Ain't got no carrrr! Then, 20 seconds later, he gets in a car, LOL.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 18, 2010 20:07:47 GMT -5
Ain't got no carrrr! Then, 20 seconds later, he gets in a car, LOL. i guess the music video director/producer didn't listen to the song..or was it his car? lol
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Post by Air Jordin on Nov 18, 2010 20:45:30 GMT -5
Ain't got no carrrr! Then, 20 seconds later, he gets in a car, LOL. i guess the music video director/producer didn't listen to the song..or was it his car? lol He probably borrowed a car from a more successful Idol alum
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 10:01:25 GMT -5
i guess the music video director/producer didn't listen to the song..or was it his car? lol He probably borrowed a car from a more successful Idol alum Smart move, No payments lmao! :)
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Post by mcbrearty on Nov 19, 2010 15:30:00 GMT -5
This song is a big plate of meh.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 16:15:10 GMT -5
This song is a big plate of meh. just out of curiosity, what are 3 of your favorite artists and songs and your age?
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Post by Sara on Nov 19, 2010 16:59:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like this song either. I've heard it on Sirius a couple of times and I can't get into it. And I liked Lee just fine on Idol. Oh well.
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Post by mcbrearty on Nov 19, 2010 17:50:05 GMT -5
This song is a big plate of meh. just out of curiosity, what are 3 of your favorite artists and songs and your age? Not sure why you need to know, but they are Nickelback, Bon Jovi and Goo Goo Dolls and im aged 20. I was a big fan of Lees on the show and I expected better material from him.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 18:59:49 GMT -5
just out of curiosity, what are 3 of your favorite artists and songs and your age? Not sure why you need to know, but they are Nickelback, Bon Jovi and Goo Goo Dolls and im aged 20. I was a big fan of Lees on the show and I expected better material from him. just curious, i'm always researching demos.. I loved Lee on the show also. i was hoping his solo cd would be as brilliant as Rob Thomas, but Rob is a one in a million artist. I think they're are a few good songs on the cd however and think he'll grow as an artist. he's like what 23,24. that talent displayed on idol isn't going anywhere and it can only get better with time,his craft will grow. and he sang live not studip produced garbage that others can't pull off live, Lee had to prove he could sing live and in front of american tv and simon cowell to get this contract and 4 that i respect the guy. What exactly is it about the song you don't like? You don't hear a hook at all, it's not catchy at all to you? can't relate? too poppy?
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 19, 2010 20:28:15 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Lees on the show and I expected better material from him.
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Post by mcbrearty on Nov 19, 2010 20:33:50 GMT -5
I dunno, I think the verses are cool and the chorus starts okay but I find the repeated chant of "Sweet Serendipity" to be unremarkable. I expected a Daughtry type rock ballad to be released and this is just a bit too fluffy. But I haven't heard the rest of the album so I'll hold my judgement.
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Post by marv1978 on Nov 19, 2010 22:21:50 GMT -5
I dunno, I think the verses are cool and the chorus starts okay but I find the repeated chant of "Sweet Serendipity" to be unremarkable. I expected a Daughtry type rock ballad to be released and this is just a bit too fluffy. But I haven't heard the rest of the album so I'll hold my judgement. thats understandable, i thought he'd go more rock edged myself :o
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Post by atlantaboy on Nov 20, 2010 9:19:55 GMT -5
Yeah, he sounded really good singing songs like Chasing Cars, Lips Of An Angel, and You Found Me - he should've had someone write a rock ballad for him
This pseudo-intellectual Jason Mraz-type stuff is just weird
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Post by Jeff on Nov 20, 2010 9:56:12 GMT -5
It looks like he's gained some weight. His face looks huge. And the song sounds weird. Like the way it was recorded. Sounds like a broke auto tune was used. Don't like it.
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Post by perfectsmile on Nov 21, 2010 1:23:45 GMT -5
Lee's whole album is playing on AOL's CD Listening Party.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 21, 2010 11:33:06 GMT -5
Yeah, he sounded really good singing songs like Chasing Cars, Lips Of An Angel, and You Found Me - he should've had someone write a rock ballad for him This pseudo-intellectual Jason Mraz-type stuff is just weird I really liked this guy on AI. "Treat Her Like a Lady" was one of the best AI performances ever imo. I think he's taken the wrong direction on this album, though. As you say, he's gone for this Jason Mraz-esque vibe, which I'm not diggin'. I would like to have seen a more rock-influenced sound, at least in the same vein as Dave Matthews, if not harder.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 23, 2010 20:11:27 GMT -5
Predicted albums sales of around 40-50k for "Live It Up". That should just be enough for a top 10 debut on the BB 200, although those figures are the weakest of any AI winner.
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Post by Kworb on Nov 23, 2010 20:14:26 GMT -5
^ HDD has it at #17 in their final chart with 40k.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 23, 2010 20:52:48 GMT -5
^ HDD has it at #17 in their final chart with 40k. Ah some rather inconsistent album sales going on then. Last week Alter Bridge debuted at the same position with sales of around 25,000.
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Post by circadian on Nov 23, 2010 21:23:12 GMT -5
There were a lot of debuts this week, that's why he charted so low... Good sales for having no single being heavily promoted at radio
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Post by atgs on Nov 23, 2010 22:38:17 GMT -5
Good? If he was someone no one had ever heard of, they'd be good. But being someone who won a show watched by millions, who is signed to a major label and has the chance to go on TV, they're not exactly good. I suppose RCA isn't even gonna try CHR?
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Post by circadian on Nov 23, 2010 23:12:40 GMT -5
Good? If he was someone no one had ever heard of, they'd be good. But being someone who won a show watched by millions, who is signed to a major label and has the chance to go on TV, they're not exactly good. I suppose RCA isn't even gonna try CHR? The last artist Idol 'created' that had big opening sales was Daughtry... and that was 4 years ago, the whole 'Millions of people voted for them! They should sell a million first week' thing is so yesterday and just not applicable nowadays. The last 2 seasons, specially, Idol has stopped being a 'stardom platform', now it's just a way to get a major label contract, other than that, the winner is on his own.
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Post by crazychick on Nov 24, 2010 2:51:52 GMT -5
No, the first week sales for Lee's CD are NOT good, at least not for someone coming off AI -- if that 39-40K projection holds up, that means Lee sold less than half as many copies as Kris Allen did in his debut week last year. And Kris was immediately dubbed a failure for selling 80K his first week. It's a shame, but Lee is likely going to get blasted in the media -- hope he is prepared.
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Post by Jay on Nov 24, 2010 2:53:51 GMT -5
I really have no problem with Lee flopping as badly as he is. I never really liked him-- he was a poor excuse for an 'idol'.
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Post by Kworb on Nov 24, 2010 5:41:03 GMT -5
It really isn't good. He only sold a little more than Allison Iraheta. But it's not surprising, his season was heavily criticized and is generally seen as the worst season in Idol history. But this song is doing alright on HAC and could end up doing very well on there considering the current weak state of the HAC chart, so it's far from over for Lee.
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Post by satanicfloret on Nov 24, 2010 6:35:19 GMT -5
Daughtry sold 304K in the first week of sales for the debut album. Arguably this is in a pre-music sharing world which most people agree has had an impact on CD sales generally. But I disagree that no-one has had big sales since - David Cook did nearly as much in 2008 with his debut and both S7 and S8 Runner ups were around the 200K mark in their first weeks.
Compared with other Idol Winner debut album first weeks:
1. Ruben Studdard S2, "Soulful," - 400,000+ BB#1 2. Carrie Underwood S4, "Some Hearts" - 315,000 BB#2 3. Taylor Hicks S5, "Taylor Hicks," - 298,000 BB#2 4. Kelly Clarkson S1, "Thankful" - 297,000 BB#1 5. David Cook S7, "David Cook" - 279,000 BB#3 6. Fantasia Barrino S3, "Free Yourself" - 240,000 BB#8 7. Jordin Sparks S6, "Jordin Sparks" - 119,000 BB#10 8. Kris Allen S8, "Kris Allen" - 85,000 BB#11 9. Lee Dewyze S9, "Live It Up" ~39K? ~BB#17?
and some other Idol contestant debut releases since Daughtry's season with notable first week sales:
Adam Lambert S8 RU, "For Your Entertainment" - 198,000 BB#3 David Archuleta S7 RU, "David Archuleta" - 183,000 BB#2 Katherine McPhee S5 RU, "Katherine McPhee" - 116,000 BB#2 Blake Lewis S6 RU, "Audio Day Dream" - 97,500 BB#10 Elliot Yamin S5 3rd, "Elliot Yamin" - 90,000 BB#3 Kellie Pickler S5 6th, "Small Town Girl" - 79,000 BB#9
Certainly Lee's sales might be part of a declining trend in CD sales generally, but there were 16 CDs that sold better this week and many of those were debuts from people that didn't come off of the biggest show on TV. I think Lee's biggest problem is that he doesn't have a strong first single and/or really any hype to speak of.
Looking at last season - Kris had LLWD which I personally am not a fan of (because that style is not my thing), but which radio LOVED. It was a big hit on CHR and HAC and a year on is still getting good radio play. SS just isn't that good enough I don't think. I've not even been tempted to listen to Lee's other tracks on his album because of it. Although on twitter I've heard good things about a track called "Brooklyn Bridge" so I will go find that at some point.
Does anyone know how much Lee's album cost to make? If 39K is indicative of his general sales (i.e. being ~50% of Kris Allen's) then topping out at ~160K total is barely going to cover costs right? I can't see RCA keeping him if thats the case. Allison Iraheta got ditched by Jive only a year after being signed and she topped at 103K - she also sold 32K in her first week by the way which is only about 7K less than Lee is expected to sell. I know singles play a part in that decision too - but unless Lee gets something moving on that front things don't look good.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Nov 24, 2010 6:43:16 GMT -5
The times when they just announced the release date and the album sold automatically no matter how sh*tty it was are long gone, aren't they? Say what you want about Cowell, but he understands that to keep the show somewhat relevant and in public eye, it needs to keep producing successful contestants. By successful i mean that they have songs people recognize. So i agree there's hope for Lee, but he needs more airplay.
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Post by atgs on Nov 24, 2010 9:00:03 GMT -5
No one's talking about millions or even selling a million. But these artists have exposure that most artists don't get. To put it simple, all AI runner ups have sold more than this in their first week. Even third placers have sold more than this. It's not just about albums selling less and AI not being what it used to be. he's selling half of Kris Allen and Kris wasn't even an idol with that many fans to begin with. There's no way one can spin these numbers and say they're good. And I'm sure Lee knows that too.
He can still get airplay, although listening to his album there aren't really many choices and it doesn't look like RCA is even trying CHR, but I at this point things don't look good.
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