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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 18, 2015 10:07:21 GMT -5
What makes the Go Go's worthy of Hall of Fame?
TBH I don't hold it against the HOF that more women are not in it to the extent that, as has been said, rock has always been male dominated. Now, we can get into the genre thing and then talk about more women being deserving, but I have real issue with people who had like 1 impactful album being in the Hall of Fame. I think someone should show a sustained career of quality and influence to merit inclusion, otherwise it's like a baseball player who only had 1 great season getting into the baseball HOF.
I don't see why Joan Jett is in, tbh.
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Post by Gary on Apr 18, 2015 10:17:00 GMT -5
If you are the first or nearly the first at something as was the case with the Go Go's, that would seem to mean something I think. (One of the early all female rock bands)
Joan Jett had a string of hits but I think got in for covering one song in particular. In my opinion her prior band (Runaways) is more deserving.
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Post by Landmarx on Apr 18, 2015 14:35:36 GMT -5
As for female artists currently eligible, I'd push for
Ella Fitzgerald (influence) Sister Rosetta Tharpe (influence) Big Mama Thornton (influence) The Carter Family (influence) Carole Kaye (sidemen) Cynthia Robinson (non-performer) The Shangri-Las Esther Phillips Mary Wells Peter, Paul & Mary Sonny & Cher The Marvelettes Rufus Featuring Chaka Khan Nina Simone Patsy Cline The Carpenters Carly Simon Joan Armatrading Roberta Flack Kate Bush Dolly Parton Sonic Youth Eurythmics The B-52's Pat Benatar Janet Jackson Whitney Houston Bjork Salt-N-Pepa
Eventually I might argue for Petula Clark, Queen Latifah, Loretta Lynn, Grace Jones, Patti LaBelle, Tracy Chapman, Indigo Girls, Marianne Faithfull or Siouxsie & The Banshees but that'd be way down the line.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Apr 18, 2015 15:40:01 GMT -5
My short list of eligible females:
Janet Jackson Bjork Kate Bush Grace Jones Pat Benatar Siouxsie and the Banshees Sonic Youth Cary Simon
Future eligibles: PJ Harvey, Alanis Morissette
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 16:35:27 GMT -5
How could I forget Carlegend Slaymon?! She needs to be inducted too!
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Post by H. on Apr 18, 2015 21:08:07 GMT -5
Journey should be in. Many more I can think of such as The Cars, Boston, and Foreigner.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 18, 2015 22:42:35 GMT -5
How could I forget Carlegend Slaymon?! She needs to be inducted too! Why should Carly Simon be inducted?
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 19, 2015 22:13:23 GMT -5
Why exactly was Ringo Starr inducted as a solo artist?
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Post by Gary on Apr 19, 2015 22:26:06 GMT -5
Why exactly was Ringo Starr inducted as a solo artist? He wasn't.
He was inducted for "musical excellence" used to be called the "sidemen" category.
Major contributors to major artists but not necessarily in the spotlight
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 19, 2015 22:29:36 GMT -5
Even so, isn't he already in as part of The Beatles? What other work has he done to merit this separate inclusion? Is this for playing on the solo albums of the other Beatles' guys? It seems like overkill to me.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Apr 20, 2015 7:51:37 GMT -5
Even so, isn't he already in as part of The Beatles? What other work has he done to merit this separate inclusion? Is this for playing on the solo albums of the other Beatles' guys? It seems like overkill to me. It was definitely unnecessary. Felt more like a marketing/PR move to get the last 2 remaining Beatles onstage together vs. the merits of Ringo Starr's solo career.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 12:00:58 GMT -5
I'd love to see Bjork selected one day. Her impact becomes more noticeable as time goes on and it would be great to see it recognized.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 20, 2015 14:28:25 GMT -5
^She certainly has lots of acclaim and is well regarded- if anything keeps her out for a certain amount of time, it may be that she's not "big" enough.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 20, 2015 20:39:38 GMT -5
^She certainly has lots of acclaim and is well regarded- if anything keeps her out for a certain amount of time, it may be that she's not "big" enough. I thought success didn't matter.
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Post by H. on Apr 20, 2015 21:02:08 GMT -5
^She certainly has lots of acclaim and is well regarded- if anything keeps her out for a certain amount of time, it may be that she's not "big" enough. I thought success didn't matter. I don't think it does. If it did Journey, Foreigner, Boston, The Cars etc. would all be in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:07:24 GMT -5
How could I forget Carlegend Slaymon?! She needs to be inducted too! Why should Carly Simon be inducted? She's a legend, You're So Vain and Nobody Does It Better especially are classics, and she's been an influence to many female songwriters including Tori Amos, who has covered Boys In The Trees live, and Taylor Swift, who said that Carly was one of her favorite artists and they even sang YSV live.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 21, 2015 9:05:45 GMT -5
jeng- it's not a major factor. But with Bjork, *if* something keeps her out, it could be why. With acts who are very successful and who haven't been the biggest critical hits, their success won't help all that much. But with acts who have been very critically successful, but haven't had much success, the reverse could happen- who knows.
Bjork could be the female Kraftwerk, in that sense. There are some acts who have been pretty critically successful, but have not been inducted. The Smiths is another one. But, note that they're all non-U.S.-based acts.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Apr 21, 2015 9:37:32 GMT -5
^ At least The Smiths and Kraftwerk have been nominated, though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 21, 2015 9:46:07 GMT -5
Bjork's been eligible since 2002- but, there was such a gap between the first solo album she ever recorded and Debut- 16 years- that also could be a reason why she hasn't fared well in terms of nominations. It's been 22 years since Debut, so her time really should be coming.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 21, 2015 16:54:13 GMT -5
Why should Carly Simon be inducted? She's a legend, You're So Vain and Nobody Does It Better especially are classics, and she's been an influence to many female songwriters including Tori Amos, who has covered Boys In The Trees live, and Taylor Swift, who said that Carly was one of her favorite artists and they even sang YSV live. I'm just someone who doesn't think an act should be in the Hall of Fame based on 1-2 songs. I mean, I love "Be My Baby," but The Ronettes being in the HOF is a joke. I'd put Carly Simon in the same category.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 21:13:50 GMT -5
She had many big hits back in the 70's, I just used those two as examples as those were her biggest hits.
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Post by Gary on Apr 22, 2015 21:56:09 GMT -5
You're So Vain is in the Grammy Hall of Fame
4 other songs went top 10.
Carly Simon was commercially one of the 40 or so biggest acts of the 70s
That being said, the Rock Hall has never been about commercial success
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 22, 2015 22:02:48 GMT -5
You're So Vain is in the Grammy Hall of Fame 4 other songs went top 10. Carly Simon was commercially one of the 40 or so biggest acts of the 70s That being said, the Rock Hall has never been about commercial success Frankly none of that merits HOF anyway. 5 top 10s? Katy Perry had more than that with 1 album. Should she get in the HOF? "You're So Vain" is a classic, no doubt. I love it, and it's classic in general. But to me 1 classic single does not merit an entry in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2015 22:10:53 GMT -5
Plus, Carly already has an Oscar. Why would it be absurd for her to be in there?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 23, 2015 9:11:00 GMT -5
LOL at the arguing about Carly Simon.
None of us were old enough back then to know how big Carly was.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 23, 2015 17:41:37 GMT -5
I was actually unaware that Carly Simon was inducted already. I figured she would have been in the 90s. I definitely see her making it at some point in the next decade or so. There's always at least one major veteran, why not her?
I see Kate Bush making in there eventually as well. At least over say Tori Amos or Bjork or another alt. female from that generation first.
I'm also still side-eyeing that Joan Jett is in but The Runaways aren't.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 23, 2015 18:36:09 GMT -5
Plus, Carly already has an Oscar. Why would it be absurd for her to be in there? By that logic Irene Cara should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by swim on Apr 23, 2015 18:42:54 GMT -5
Carly Simon wouldn't be getting in for 1-2 songs. There's a lot of artists out there today who name drop her as an influence. This isn't the Billboard Hall of Fame.
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Post by Gary on Apr 23, 2015 20:34:03 GMT -5
Carly Simon is in the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
Billboard hits or lack of them are not a criteria.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 24, 2015 9:06:21 GMT -5
Billboard hits or lack of them are not a criteria. The point is more about having songs with an impact. Those of course didn't have to be hits, but often they were.
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