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Post by cking33 on Jun 15, 2013 23:46:54 GMT -5
With some of today's stars, it's going to be a really tough call for some of them. It all boils down to how they will be remembered in 20-30 more years. Honestly, I don't think Britney Spears gets in. I think we need to remove our gay goggles for a second when we evaluate the overall legacy of some of the artists we're talking about.
Starpower alone doesn't get you in, as evidenced by some of the legendary acts that are not in. It comes down to the artistry and the music in the end. Did you shape the rock era in a significant way? And I don't think Britney's music will live up to that standard. Beyonce and Justin Timberlake stand better chances because, whether you agree or not, they've had a bigger impact on music and not just pop and gay culture. Mariah, I think, is borderline whether she ever gets in. On the one hand, she's made some enduring songs, but, for better or worse, she's not recognized as someone a lot of other musicians and journalists respect for their artistry. The fact that singers now try to emulate her does bode well, though, and I think her comeback with Mimi was a big moment for her legacy. She gained a lot of critical respect during that era that she never had before in her career.
On a sidenote: A lot of the big-name rappers like Jay-Z, Eminem, Kanye, OutKast ... I think you can print their tickets to their eventual inductions.
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 16, 2013 16:48:19 GMT -5
I was trying to think of which current hit-makers/relevant artists might stand a chance in 20-25 years: Eminem and Jay-Z are locks Foo Fighters will get Dave Grohl a second induction The Black Keys could possibly get in if their career trajectory stays the same Lady Gaga unless her career completely crashes and burns with the end of the EDM era at pop radio (which I don't think will happen) Adele is likely unless 21 is ultimately seen as a complete fluke (like Alanis and Jagged Little Pill) Rihanna not so much Katy Perry I could maybe see if she manages a Madonna-style reinvention and keeps herself relevant through the next decade or so Bruno Mars could get in if he maintains his current level of success for awhile and creates a definitive album Beyonce is a definite, although I doubt Destiny's Child will get in Same for Timberlake and NSync Ke$ha has less chance than Paula Abdul Thanks to Random Access Memories and a respected body of work, I think Daft Punk will eventually make it in but not on their first try
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Post by cking33 on Jun 16, 2013 18:33:43 GMT -5
I'd agree with your assessment ... Agree with Gaga and Bruno. I feel like both need an album on the level of a "21," "Tapestry" or "Jagged Little Pill" to really solidify their chances down the line. ... An album that sells like gangbusters and sweeps the Grammy awards, taking them to a new level of stardom and industry respectability. They're both oh so close.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 19:32:32 GMT -5
A 'Tapestry' type album won't get you into the hall of fame. It didn't work for Carole King. As a singer Carole King did not make it
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 17, 2013 7:56:59 GMT -5
Plus, sweeping the Grammys isn't really going to win over the Hall, either, as it's not really a barometer of the very best.
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 17, 2013 9:16:04 GMT -5
Even Tina Turner, who had such an astounding solo career, is only inducted as part of Ike and Tina.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Jun 17, 2013 9:32:01 GMT -5
I can see Iron Maiden getting in eventually possibly, but it'll take a while. They've never been regarded as highly stateside as they have been in Europe. The two biggest NWOBHM bands were Iron Maiden and Def Leppard. Iron Maiden got to be immensely successful in the UK and Europe and somewhat less successful in America, whereas Def Leppard managed to become one of America's favourite bands but took nearly ten years to get to the same level as, say, Bon Jovi, in their home country. It seems to me that Iron Maiden is likely to get in first, if either of them do. Of course, Def Leppard's problem is that they'll always be associated with hair metal. I can't imagine any hair metal band (except maybe Bon Jovi, and even their chances seem somewhat slim to me) getting in any time soon.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 17, 2013 9:41:15 GMT -5
Tina Turner's big solo moment was Private Dancer (not just commercially). You'd think that her live performances/presence would boost her chances. She's been discussed, but has not made it onto the nominee ballot (eligible since 1998).
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 17, 2013 10:20:21 GMT -5
Stevie Nicks is only inducted as part of Fleetwood Mac, and Diana Ross as part of the Supremes. The panel have some weird standards for what makes an act "legendary".
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 17, 2013 10:30:38 GMT -5
^In those instances, their best/most revered work was with the groups, and not their solo-billed material. Same was true for Smokey Robinson, but I don't know why he was inducted as a solo performer.
However, I can't think of a female that's induced as part of a group *and* as a solo act. Granted, it's a male-centric music world and a lot of the men inducted as both part of a group and solo acts enjoyed decent critical reception as solo acts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 11:01:01 GMT -5
What is "revered", good quality/bad quality and even the selection process is open to interpretation.
Some givens, to me anyway:
-A boat load of #1 hits gives no guarantee -A 'legendary' album such as Tapestry, 21, Jagged Little Pill does not necessarily get you in -Since this is the 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame' - Josh Groban probably has no chance -your favorite artist (whoever that may be) regardless of how much you respect and admire her does not mean that she is a HOF candidate to others
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 17, 2013 11:07:31 GMT -5
2015!
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 17, 2013 11:45:19 GMT -5
I would be supremely perturbed if Josh Groban were able to get in before Streisand. ;)
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 17, 2013 13:41:56 GMT -5
The Cure deserves another nomination and I think it's time for Depeche Mode to be nominated.
I'm still holding out hope that Janet Jackson will finally receive a nomination soon, although I'm not holding my breath.
Def Leppard has a case, but the 80's 'hairbands' have been overlooked. And now that the grunge bands are becoming eligible it doesn't look good for the hairband genre.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 17, 2013 16:22:44 GMT -5
Based on how the hall's treatment of big-voiced "divas" up until now (barring Aretha Franklin, of course), I don't expect to see any considered for quite some time (note that Whitney Houston has yet to be considered- some thought her passing would have inspitred at least a nomination).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:29:50 GMT -5
q: What is the process for induction? Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.
There are four main categories of inductees: Performers, Non-Performers, Early Influences and, as of the year 2000, Side-men. The Foundation also occasionally bestows an award for Lifetime Achievement.
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contribution to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.
The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.
The special selection committee elects the inductees in two other categories: Non-Performers include songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll; Early Influences are artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.
Side-men honors those musicians who have spent their career out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. They they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, but the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:33:26 GMT -5
The key criteria for election: artists who have had a siginifiant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rack and roll.
Big voiced divas and dance artists will have little chance (notable exceptions: Madonna and ABBA)
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Jun 17, 2013 17:44:37 GMT -5
Def Leppard has a case, but the 80's 'hairbands' have been overlooked. And now that the grunge bands are becoming eligible it doesn't look good for the hairband genre. I think Def Leppard and Bon Jovi are the only ones in that category who have a realistic chance of being nominated.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 17, 2013 17:52:43 GMT -5
Def Leppard has a case, but the 80's 'hairbands' have been overlooked. And now that the grunge bands are becoming eligible it doesn't look good for the hairband genre. I think Def Leppard and Bon Jovi are the only ones in that category who have a realistic chance of being nominated. I see Bon Jovi getting in eventually, it may take longer than most because they've never stood well with critics, but the longevity they've had, especially for the scene they were associated with in the 80s is impressive. Leppard on the other hand I could see being completely overlooked. Unfortunately, unlike Bon Jovi, they never shook off the image of being an "80s" band.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Jun 18, 2013 8:09:28 GMT -5
^Agreed on both accounts. Bon Jovi has a much stronger chance, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 8:30:14 GMT -5
If your sound is the same as 12 other bands, you are not having a significant impact on the development, evolution and perpetuation of rock n roll.
That might be what holds Def Leppard back.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 18, 2013 10:15:36 GMT -5
Britney Spears in the R&R Hall of Fame???
ROTFLMFAO
For her now robot singing voice? For her lip-synching spectacular concerts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 10:47:41 GMT -5
I was trying to think of which current hit-makers/relevant artists might stand a chance in 20-25 years: Eminem and Jay-Z are locks Foo Fighters will get Dave Grohl a second induction The Black Keys could possibly get in if their career trajectory stays the same Lady Gaga unless her career completely crashes and burns with the end of the EDM era at pop radio (which I don't think will happen) Adele is likely unless 21 is ultimately seen as a complete fluke (like Alanis and Jagged Little Pill) Rihanna not so much Katy Perry I could maybe see if she manages a Madonna-style reinvention and keeps herself relevant through the next decade or so Bruno Mars could get in if he maintains his current level of success for awhile and creates a definitive album Beyonce is a definite, although I doubt Destiny's Child will get in Same for Timberlake and NSync Ke$ha has less chance than Paula Abdul Thanks to Random Access Memories and a respected body of work, I think Daft Punk will eventually make it in but not on their first try Eminem and Jay-Z - yes Foo Fighters - maybe Black Keys - maybe Lady Gaga - no Adele - no Rihanna - no Katy Perry - maybe for the reason that you cited Bruno Mars - no Beyonce - maybe, Destiny's Child - no Ke$ha/Paula Abdul and most other dance artists - no
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Post by Push The Button on Jun 18, 2013 12:51:36 GMT -5
How in the world would you justify a Katy Perry inclusion but no Gaga?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 13:20:16 GMT -5
These are just opinions btw.
Madonna is a dance artist that got in and was an inspiration for other artists that followed
Katy Perry started out as a novelty act that was transformed into a relevant star. Lady Gaga (in my opinion only) has remained a bit of a novelty act(at least through the first two albums)
Novelty acts do not tend to contribute much to the development and evolution of rack and roll.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 18, 2013 13:22:40 GMT -5
There's no way Katy is more relevant than Gaga. She doesn't even receive as much publicity in the media as Gaga and Taylor do other than her relationships.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 13:29:26 GMT -5
The difference for me (IN MY OPINION ONLY) is in the style, not the publicity. Gaga's act is not something that will endure forever. We saw that a bit with the declines that the second album saw. Katy Perry's act has a chance to last longer
In my opinion only
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 18, 2013 13:32:42 GMT -5
Except Katy's style is more disposable than any of the major pop stars, so...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 13:37:43 GMT -5
Which is why dance artists don't make it too far in this category.
Madonna got in. ABBA got in. Donna Summer got in but she had to die to do it. That's about it.
There isn't much else
If I had to choose between Katy Perry and Gaga, I would choose Katy Perry as having the best shot given the genre
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Post by josh on Jun 18, 2013 13:45:44 GMT -5
I literally don't understand. Lady Gaga has done SO much more to change music than Katy Perry. She's also sold more, although not by a large margin in the US, but she definitely has the worldwide edge.
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