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Post by Pink Pvssy on Dec 5, 2012 14:42:14 GMT -5
Wow at those Ke$ha numbers, when you're selling only 10k more than Lotus and have a #1 radio hit underneath your belt, that's got to be embarrassing. They really should change the formula for Hot 100. Having millions of airplay doesn't guarantee impressive sales. Plus, this proves that Lotus is not a flop then lol |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 5, 2012 14:42:51 GMT -5
Wiz was never expected to do around 200k.
Same with Ke$ha. I never saw a 200k figure for her.
Both had "projections" of 150k.
Wiz came in a bit below. Good for him.
Ke$ha's numbers are disappointing. We'll see if a 2nd and 3rd single can push this album past 500k in sales.
500k in sales is a hit nowadays.
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Post by moore746 on Dec 5, 2012 15:05:19 GMT -5
I wonder how badly the leak hurt Warrior's first-week sales.
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Post by newpower on Dec 5, 2012 15:07:50 GMT -5
Ke$sha = female Flo Rida
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 15:08:23 GMT -5
It's not fair :'(. I hope she can at least get a couple more hits and sell platinum like Animal did before the rerelease.
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Post by NeRD on Dec 5, 2012 15:09:03 GMT -5
Wow Ke$ha  |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 5, 2012 15:09:29 GMT -5
Ke$sha = female Flo Rida[/quote Not really. Flo rida never had anything close to a platnium album |
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Post by Pink Pvssy on Dec 5, 2012 15:10:20 GMT -5
Who the heck is Flo Rida? :)
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Post by llires on Dec 5, 2012 15:11:36 GMT -5
Those Ke$ha #'s aren't all that surprising. I'm actually surprised, I really thought she would do what she did for her first album, it is the holiday season after all. I wonder how badly the leak hurt Warrior's first-week sales. Have leaks really hurt albums before? It's not like it was an early leak either. There's only a few albums that do not leak before the album comes out anyway. Sales are terrible this year! Seems the whole "December mega sales phenomenon" is done with. I'm all for this. That means that most of the acts I like don't try to release their albums at the end of the year. |
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Post by BadRomance on Dec 5, 2012 15:22:52 GMT -5
Wow I was expecting at least 100K for Ke$ha.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 15:25:31 GMT -5
Taylor's album leaked and she still sold 1.2 million.. so I don't think that's a reason at all lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 15:30:58 GMT -5
I think I'm 0 and a gazillion for debut week predictions this year. Now that is what I find embarrassing.  These numbers aren't great, but I don't know, how many shitty debuts does it take before it finally stops being embarrassing? I'll never stop being disappointed, but I'm getting used to being underwhelmed now. And it seems to be (mostly) the pop and r&b acts in particular who are being hurt by this. Rap and country on the other hand open strong on a more consistent basis. Wonder what it is about those latter two genres that lend themselves more to dedicated fan bases purchasing early on. I agree with whoever said this puts Lotus in better context (and I actually wasn't disappointed by her numbers at all considering the album had little going on for it). |
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Post by Keelzit on Dec 5, 2012 15:36:24 GMT -5
I was worried about K$ since Cannibal's release but I never thought she wouldn't be able to do 100k. Hopefully it'll have legs and scan platinum.
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Post by llires on Dec 5, 2012 15:37:28 GMT -5
So whatever happened to the albums sold to date compared to last year (?) being a little higher than last year? I'm guessing it was the Adele effect?
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Post by Eqbk on Dec 5, 2012 15:41:35 GMT -5
Perhaps we should wait and see if Warrior has any sort of longevity before we start making comparisons. The album definitely has the potential to sell steadily if things are planned out properly.
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Post by Pink Pvssy on Dec 5, 2012 15:42:29 GMT -5
Let's blame RCA for the lackluster performance of Warrior and Lotus :)
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 5, 2012 15:42:59 GMT -5
I have been fairly off this year as well with predictions. Lotus is actually one of the few that I predicted correctly.
I don't think the leak really hurt. It didn't leak badly-like, some albums leak demos a year in advance or leak two months in advance and I feel like that hurts more than the more typical last minute leaks.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 5, 2012 15:45:54 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 15:54:07 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album. Yes. The industry is moving more and more toward a singles-oriented market. People know that artists like Ke$ha are all about the singles. They need more than one hit to consider spending money on the full album. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 15:54:19 GMT -5
These numbers aren't great, but I don't know, how many s**tty debuts does it take before it finally stops being embarrassing? Right? To me it really feels like this year has been the tipping point where numbers are just always horrible now. That being said, I do think Pulse overestimates how popular Ke$ha is. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 5, 2012 15:55:48 GMT -5
I was worried about K$ since Cannibal's release but I never thought she wouldn't be able to do 100k. Hopefully it'll have legs and scan platinum. Scan 1 million with an 85k debut? Very unlikely... |
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Post by Pink Pvssy on Dec 5, 2012 16:00:00 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album. Why did Rihanna sell over 200K then? Her album is full of fillers |
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Post by dbhmr on Dec 5, 2012 16:00:13 GMT -5
I agree that this year feels like a big change, more so than before, and that people really need to start adjusting their expectations.
That said, Pulse holds Kesha as one of the premier pop artists around right now, and I think radio and iTunes mostly supports that--as has her previous single performance. Not cracking 100k seems to be pretty disappointing, to me. I used to think people didn't care much for Kesha as an artist and were only interested in the songs they found catchy, but Pulse had convinced me otherwise. Guess not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 16:02:10 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album. This logic makes sense in theory, but it presumes most people heard the album in full and decided they didn't want the filler. Most times, the average consumers base their initial decision not to purchase on the singles they've heard. (I.e., r&b fans supposedly freaking out over pop single releases and thinking that will take up half the album, or people regarding Ke$ha as the kind of artist whose only good songs will be sent to radio). There is still a large amount of people who don't download links, listen to streams, or go to Youtube or Spotify to preview albums before purchasing. This always surprises me but that is probably just b/c I spend all my spare time either listening to music or looking for music and expect everyone else to do that too, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 16:02:29 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album. Why did Rihanna sell over 200K then? Her album is full of fillers She's remained consistently successful for several albums in a row now. It took her a long time, but she finally stopped being categorized as someone who people thought only had a hit or two on her albums. She's demonstrated remarkable growth and consistency in various aspects of her career. Not to mention, "full of fillers" is your opinion. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 5, 2012 16:03:39 GMT -5
I was worried about K$ since Cannibal's release but I never thought she wouldn't be able to do 100k. Hopefully it'll have legs and scan platinum. Scan 1 million with an 85k debut? Very unlikely... It's really depends if she can string together a good 4 hit songs she could do it |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 16:03:55 GMT -5
I think this is going to be the trend going forward more and more. People just want the good songs not the stuff that was rushed out to fill up the album. This logic makes sense in theory, but it presumes most people heard the album in full and decided they didn't want the filler. Most times, the average consumers base their initial decision not to purchase on the singles they've heard. (I.e., r&b fans supposedly freaking out over pop single releases and thinking that will take up half the album, or people regarding Ke$ha as the kind of artist whose only good songs will be sent to radio). There is still a large amount of people who don't download links, listen to streams, or go to Youtube or Spotify to preview albums before purchasing. This always surprises me but that is probably just b/c I spend all my spare time either listening to music or looking for music and expect everyone else to do that too, lol. I think that's the point though. People are going with their hunch. Ke$ha just doesn't come across as someone you'd expect a beginning-to-end consistent album full of high quality material from. People need more convincing than one hit song, especially when you're a party pop kind of act. |
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Post by llires on Dec 5, 2012 16:04:03 GMT -5
Eh...maybe streaming is affecting albums sales, too? Especially to those that are given the title of "singles artist".
Kesha's album was on spotify yesterday, whereas Taylor's and Rihanna's are not.
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Post by swim on Dec 5, 2012 16:05:03 GMT -5
These numbers aren't great, but I don't know, how many s**tty debuts does it take before it finally stops being embarrassing? Right? To me it really feels like this year has been the tipping point where numbers are just always horrible now. That being said, I do think Pulse overestimates how popular Ke$ha is.And there we have it! Truth! I know a lot of people who will listen to Ke$ha for the fun of it, but are not out to buy her singles let alone her album. She's someone where you know the first two singles are going to be as good as it gets for the entire album. I'm honestly surprised they were this high. Yes, even during December. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 16:24:25 GMT -5
These numbers aren't great, but I don't know, how many s**tty debuts does it take before it finally stops being embarrassing? Right? To me it really feels like this year has been the tipping point where numbers are just always horrible now. That being said, I do think Pulse overestimates how popular Ke$ha is.Ugh. So true, but I remember when I thought 2007-2008 was the tipping point. Now we have to have another one? Sigh. Right? To me it really feels like this year has been the tipping point where numbers are just always horrible now. That being said, I do think Pulse overestimates how popular Ke$ha is.And there we have it! Truth! I know a lot of people who will listen to Ke$ha for the fun of it, but are not out to buy her singles let alone her album. She's someone where you know the first two singles are going to be as good as it gets for the entire album. I'm honestly surprised they were this high. Yes, even during December. This opinion makes me sad because I personally believe Ke$ha's strongest songs are the ones that don't get released. (This goes for both albums and the EP.) And I do like her but I don't consider myself a huge K$ $tan or anything, I just think she has a really solid body of work. I'd even go as far as to say that except for a couple of duds, her singles are some of her weakest material. I do get it though. But again, I have to remember what jazzy just pointed out, and that not everyone is like me. I have bought albums after disliking the first two or even three singles from someone, because I decided to give it a listen anyway and was pleasantly surprised. Most people though don't have the time (or refuse to take the time) to give anyone that kind of chance. I do think Ke$ha still has a decent chance to go platinum (there are albums that opened with less and done so) but all of the singles have to be on point. If she has even a moderate miss that will throw it off. |
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