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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 4, 2013 12:52:58 GMT -5
Well I liked this the least out of the countdown singles back in October last year,but the song has grew on me since then with Taylor performing the song in various places. It's not that bad of song. The label was looking for something pop country friendly to follow up "Begin Again" and they picked this."Begin Again" had a weird run on country radio taking months to get at #1.Hope it rebounds soon.Hopefully Big Machine can push this up a bit before it peaks. :)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 13:21:09 GMT -5
I don't get the sense that this is nearing the end of its run yet. It has had a slower climb but I think it's quite obvious that Taylor doesn't have as much momentum on country radio as she's had during her past album cycles, and also, the chart ahead has been full of some pretty big names and big songs.
But "Red" had a nice +3 move on Billboard last night, up to #19, and it should gain a couple more spots this week as well. Carrie Underwood will go recurrent, and I think Sheryl Crow will as well. There's also a chance that Brett Eldredge will fall just far enough to go recurrent. So I think Taylor could wind up at #17 or even #16 next week. And maybe it helps that a couple females ahead are giving up their spots, although it could be coincidental as well--Sheryl's album is coming out so it makes sense that "Easy" is peaking, and Carrie had a long run of her own.
Anyway, "Red" is in the top 10 at Call-out America--great passion scores and the dislike percentages are very low. I can certainly see it staying on the chart for another 2 months yet, right up to the CMA's, and getting into the top 10 before all is said and done. However, I don't think it can make it to #1, though, as I think it burned through too many weeks outside the top 20, and Taylor's singles--even if they are testing and/or selling well--do tend to burn out rather quickly. So "Red" has been on the chart for 12 weeks now and I can see it making the 20-week mark, but I don't see it lasting too much beyond that point. That should give it enough time to make a top 10 run, though.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Sept 5, 2013 21:15:04 GMT -5
I also think this should get some type of resurgence soon so it can achieve at least a top 10 peak here in the end. I love the song and am rooting for it, but it never screamed "#1 ultra smash hit!" to me. However, I do see a top 10 peak, or even higher, to be pretty reasonable at this rate.
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Post by churchchoir on Sept 5, 2013 23:58:37 GMT -5
Because this is Big Machine we're talking about, I think Taylor will be able to get into the top 10 with this one, but I don't know if a colossal top 5/Mediabase #1 push will be feasible this time around. For some reason, even though this is a pretty polarizing song, I thought "Red" would be an instant #1 hit (not necessarily a multi-week #1, but a #1 on both charts), mainly because it's the title track to a really popular album and Taylor's on her huge "Red" tour. The "Red" area could be the peak of Taylor's career (or perhaps we will see the peak of her career in the next era or two), so I thought radio would just play Taylor's song because of all the universal hype from fans of all genres, like they are doing for Luke Bryan's single, even though it's pretty polarizing and has horrid Callout scores. Also, as usual, Taylor's sales and research are great.
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Post by Living Legend on Sept 6, 2013 0:18:56 GMT -5
Does anyone have "Sparks Fly" chart run on Billboard? I'm curious to see how this is doing compared to that one since they were both released almost at the same time of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 0:22:27 GMT -5
Does anyone have "Sparks Fly" chart run on Billboard? I'm curious to see how this is doing compared to that one since they were both released almost at the same time of the year. Wish granted! "Sparks Fly" Billboard chart run: 49-39-31-25-23-19-17-16-14-13-13-10-10-9-7-5-3-3-1-5-10-recurrent
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Post by jlatn5b on Sept 6, 2013 0:56:22 GMT -5
So glad to see this not doing well. I always knew this were a poor single choice, at least for country radio and in my opinion no less poppy than WANEGBT (plus just a terrible song). I don't see how this song is anywhere near as poppy as WANEGBT was. While far from traditional, I don't think it's as pop leaning as a lot of other songs being played on country radio. Could also think of it this way... if "Red" had been the first single from the project, would it have alienated country radio in the way that WANEGBT did? I don't think it would. I agree with most everyone else. This will be able to make Top 10 but not much more than that.
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Post by deatheater13 on Sept 6, 2013 2:51:07 GMT -5
Red is far from terrible though. This song is amazing. I particularly love the line "Faster than the wind, passionate as sin, ending so suddenly" and the bridge is perfect.
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 17, 2013 12:11:14 GMT -5
This is up to #14 with a healthy +379 bullet (thanks to some good updates this week). Hopefully this can reach a decent peak before November, because that's when I want All Too Well released.
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Post by Living Legend on Oct 3, 2013 18:36:49 GMT -5
This seems to picking up momentum in the last 2 weeks. This may move up to #10 on Billboard Country Airplay next week. I think Top 5 is a given now. It's up to Big Machine how much higher it could go than that.
Also moves up from #21 to #15 on Billboard Country Songs this week.
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Post by mylifeback on Oct 3, 2013 18:44:42 GMT -5
I love this song & think it's a great vocal for Taylor. Glad to see it doing better on the charts.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 3, 2013 19:02:05 GMT -5
Considering that this is the third country release from Red (following We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (#13) and Begin Again (#3)), what do you think Taylor Swift's other country releases should be? She has promoted five off each of her CDs. That would get her to 2014 where she will release her fifth CD keeping her streak perfect of releasing a CD every other year since 2006.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 3, 2013 19:19:50 GMT -5
I'd be fine with a top 5 peak, but knowing Big Machine they'll push it farther. Considering that this is the third country release from Red (following We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (#13) and Begin Again (#3)), what do you think Taylor Swift's other country releases should be? She has promoted five off each of her CDs. That would get her to 2014 where she will release her fifth CD keeping her streak perfect of releasing a CD every other year since 2006. 01. WANEGBT 02. Begin Again 03. Red 04. All Too Well 05. Come Back... Be Here / Stay Stay Stay Please and thank you.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Oct 3, 2013 20:44:29 GMT -5
Considering that this is the third country release from Red (following We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (#13) and Begin Again (#3)), what do you think Taylor Swift's other country releases should be? She has promoted five off each of her CDs. That would get her to 2014 where she will release her fifth CD keeping her streak perfect of releasing a CD every other year since 2006. Target's 2014 Fourth Quarter projections are counting on it! Taylor would have a lot of 'splaining to do! I'd love for Taylor to do what Shania did with Up! 19 songs - each song was recorded as Pop, Country and International versions. Sold as two-discs in US with first two. They could even sell them as one-disc volumes since they would each count under the main title. I would find it difficult to believe that Taylor would revert course and go back to Country exclusively. There too much money, exposure, etc. If anyone can pull it off, she can. I digress. Glad that Red is hanging in there and hope it "pops" with a big push.
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Post by Living Legend on Oct 3, 2013 22:44:14 GMT -5
I'd be fine with a top 5 peak, but knowing Big Machine they'll push it farther. Considering that this is the third country release from Red (following We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (#13) and Begin Again (#3)), what do you think Taylor Swift's other country releases should be? She has promoted five off each of her CDs. That would get her to 2014 where she will release her fifth CD keeping her streak perfect of releasing a CD every other year since 2006. 01. WANEGBT 02. Begin Again 03. Red 04. All Too Well 05. Come Back... Be Here / Stay Stay Stay Please and thank you. I agree with this!!! I'm actually hoping that she doesn't release any more songs to pop radio. Unless "Red" ends up crossing over there.
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Post by Marv on Oct 3, 2013 23:09:49 GMT -5
The superfast flameout for WANEGBT as well as the cataclysmic plunge in spins for 'Begin Again' after it was pushed to #1 are both pretty clear signs that country airplay for her continues to shrivel away, and that Carrie and Miranda are clearly #1 & #2 in the airplay department among the ladies at country radio.
Carrie will easily wind up as the most played female of 2013 as Miranda was last year, and the 2014 race will in all likelihood come down to who will be first to return to the recording studio.
The two songs which preceded and followed 'Begin Again' to #1 @ Mediabase, 'Better Dig Two' and 'One Of Those Nights' are both going to wind up in the year-end top 5 at Mediabase, whereas 'Begin Again' will need a miracle to finish inside the top 60!
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Post by jughead on Oct 4, 2013 5:42:47 GMT -5
The superfast flameout for WANEGBT as well as the cataclysmic plunge in spins for 'Begin Again' after it was pushed to #1 are both pretty clear signs that country airplay for her continues to shrivel away, and that Carrie and Miranda are clearly #1 & #2 in the airplay department among the ladies at country radio. Carrie will easily wind up as the most played female of 2013 as Miranda was last year, and the 2014 race will in all likelihood come down to who will be first to return to the recording studio. The two songs which preceded and followed 'Begin Again' to #1 @ Mediabase, 'Better Dig Two' and 'One Of Those Nights' are both going to wind up in the year-end top 5 at Mediabase, whereas 'Begin Again' will need a miracle to finish inside the top 60!Thank you for info. Very helpful.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Oct 4, 2013 8:25:18 GMT -5
I know I've expressed my feelings about the next single numerous times, but since it was asked again: if "All Too Well" is not the next single, (or at least a single at some point, but should really be next), not releasing it will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the music business. As someone who is not a big Taylor fan and thinks "Red" the album (and song for the matter) are rather mediocre, "All Too Well" is a phenomenal country song. What Taylor really shines at as a songwriter is her storytelling (for the most part) and "All Too Well" is the best story she's ever written in my opinion.
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Post by jughead on Oct 4, 2013 8:48:03 GMT -5
I know I've expressed my feelings about the next single numerous times, but since it was asked again: if "All Too Well" is not the next single, (or at least a single at some point, but should really be next), not releasing it will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the music business. As someone who is not a big Taylor fan and thinks "Red" the album (and song for the matter) are rather mediocre, "All Too Well" is a phenomenal country song. What Taylor really shines at as a songwriter is her storytelling (for the most part) and "All Too Well" is the best story she's ever written in my opinion. I want "All Too Well" to close the "Red" era and let it serve as a transition from being a "young artist" to a mature one. And I know this is asking for too much, but I want an album written solely by her again, a-la Speak Now. That was such a strong artistic statement to make.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 4, 2013 10:53:19 GMT -5
I know I've expressed my feelings about the next single numerous times, but since it was asked again: if "All Too Well" is not the next single, (or at least a single at some point, but should really be next), not releasing it will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the music business. As someone who is not a big Taylor fan and thinks "Red" the album (and song for the matter) are rather mediocre, "All Too Well" is a phenomenal country song. What Taylor really shines at as a songwriter is her storytelling (for the most part) and "All Too Well" is the best story she's ever written in my opinion. I agree that "All Too Well" is a fantastic song and it'd be a release that would definitely garner critical acclaim and attention for its craft. That said, I prefer "I Almost Do" in every way as far as personal opinion of the song and it's viability as a country radio single, so that would be my pick as the next single. It's also a strong country song, but it hits me as a lot more relatable and radio-ready. At any rate, I surely hope one of the two is the next single. "Stay Stay Stay" would work, but it wouldn't be nearly as impactful.
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 7, 2013 8:50:14 GMT -5
Top 10 on Mediabase!
10 TAYLOR SWIFT Red 4046 233 31.342
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Post by slayZ on Oct 24, 2013 0:12:56 GMT -5
Any news on this? Or an update?
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 24, 2013 16:58:12 GMT -5
Any news on this? Or an update? #10 MediaBase, #11 Country Airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 17:11:16 GMT -5
Any news on this? Or an update? It's really slowed down, but I expect it to pick up a 2nd wind yet. I don't think Big Machine will let this go until after the CMA's. It's spent 19 weeks on the chart already, though, and most Swift singles don't last too long beyond the 20-week mark. As onebuffalo noted, this is #10 on Mediabase and sits at a current peak of #11 on Billboard's Country Airplay. I expect Taylor to finish the week at #10 on both Mediabase and Billboard. Billy Currington will go recurrent on both charts, and Jason Aldean (already recurrent on MB) will go recurrent on BB, but Parmalee's "Carolina" should pass Taylor on MB in the next day or two, and they'll jump ahead on Billboard as well. So, look for "Red" at #10 on both charts on Monday. It had a flat week (didn't gain anything) on Billboard last week, and its gains this week have been small as well, but it's hanging in there yet. I actually thought this might be a few places higher at this point, but the Keith/Miranda duet has just been flying and the Joe Nichols song has caught on more (than "Red" has). One reason I thought Taylor might pick up the pace a bit more in the last month or so is because we really haven't had a solo female artist in the top 10 since Carrie's "See You Again" went recurrent, I believe, and that was quite some time ago already. The lack of females on country radio has been well-documented, but it usually seems that at least one of them is in the top 10. So I guess what I'm saying is that, when Carrie's song went recurrent, I guess I expected "Red" to get some more top 10 conversions but instead it's just been lingering on the cusp of the top 10. Perhaps radio is justifying it due to Miranda's inclusion on the Keith Urban single, since Miranda's own single--the 5th from her album--is moving more slowly and isn't researching all that well either. "Red" is in the top 10 at Bullseye's Callout America, although it has some higher negative numbers on the Radiofeedback report.
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Post by churchchoir on Oct 24, 2013 17:35:35 GMT -5
"Hey Girl" has only had one drop week on Mediabase, so it won't go recurrent until next Sunday, but regardless it should vacate the top 10 on the MB chart by Sunday. "Red" is having a pretty typical run for Taylor Swift (a fast climb into the top 20, many slow weeks outside the top 10, and being pushed by the label to a Mediabase #1), but this has actually racked up many more chart weeks than Taylor's songs usually do by the time they reach the top 10. Even "Begin Again," one of the most manufactured Mediabase hits of 2013, reached #10 in its 13th charting week on Billboard. I feel Taylor's country radio presence is really waning and although I think this song will be able to achieve a Mediabase #1, Big Machine can't keep this up forever and even if they can manufacture a few more airplay hits for Taylor, they can't do much about the overall declining enthusiasm towards her from country radio.
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 24, 2013 17:39:46 GMT -5
I hope they release "All to Well" or "Stay Stay Stay" after the new year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 17:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting the error on Billy Currington. He won't go recurrent at MB, but with his rate of decline, Taylor should pass him by Sunday anyway. I don't see "Red" going to #1 though. I know this is Big Machine we're talking about but Taylor is still 20 million away from #1 and there's no way radio is going to keep a Taylor Swift song on the chart for almost 30 weeks.
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Post by someguy on Oct 27, 2013 21:44:02 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting the error on Billy Currington. He won't go recurrent at MB, but with his rate of decline, Taylor should pass him by Sunday anyway. I don't see "Red" going to #1 though. I know this is Big Machine we're talking about but Taylor is still 20 million away from #1 and there's no way radio is going to keep a Taylor Swift song on the chart for almost 30 weeks. Surprisingly, Taylor actually stayed behind Billy this week on Mediabase. As much as I like the song (and it's actually one of my favourite songs at radio right now), I think this is about done. I expect to see it in the top 10 of Billboard's chart tomorrow night, and then from there I could see it start to freefall. I'n actually not sure if it's worth them releasing another single to country radio at this point. They probably will, and it will probably be either "All Too Well" or "Stay Stay Stay" but I can unfortunately see both under performing even though both are great.
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Post by jughead on Oct 27, 2013 23:23:57 GMT -5
I think she should just take a break from country radio until the lead-off single to LP5.
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Post by cerulean on Oct 28, 2013 1:23:11 GMT -5
The album's just barely a year old. I'm assuming Taylor will stick to the same two year album schedule and release in Q4 next year. That means it would be at least a 9-month break if she were to take a break from country until she releases the lead single from a new album. I just don't see that happening. While "All Too Well" or "Stay Stay Stay" may or may not relatively underperform following "Red," being off the airwaves for too long could also be detrimental to her status at country radio.
It does seem like "Red" is pretty much done unless it gets a boost this week. I'm not confident that releasing "All Too Well" would bring her back into the top 5 on country, but I think that song could still do wonders for her. I have a strong feeling "Stay Stay Stay" is getting released at some point though...
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