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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 12, 2013 16:18:07 GMT -5
^Wow. I hope a lot of stations aren't playing "Red" once a day late at night. That would cause a big difference between Taylor's MB chart position and her BB chart position, as Billboard ranks songs by audience, and late night spins count for much less audience, whereas Mediabase ranks songs by points, which are a combination of spins and audience. I have noticed that Taylor has already started posting small audience increases. If she keeps this up and doesn't start getting more spins during the daytime hours, she could run into trouble sooner than I had thought she would. Maybe this won't be such a big hit. Taylor is usually one of those artists like Carrie Underwood and Kenny Chesney who automatically zoom into the top 20 or top 15 with whatever new song they release. This is a bit of a steady climb for Taylor. The song is new and it is climbing pretty quickly, I'd say, so I wouldn't much stock into one station just playing it at an off hour (so far).
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Post by jamesbond on Jul 12, 2013 21:03:27 GMT -5
This is one of the best songs on the album. I like it a lot now.
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Post by joey2002 on Jul 13, 2013 0:45:53 GMT -5
^Wow. I hope a lot of stations aren't playing "Red" once a day late at night. That would cause a big difference between Taylor's MB chart position and her BB chart position, as Billboard ranks songs by audience, and late night spins count for much less audience, whereas Mediabase ranks songs by points, which are a combination of spins and audience. Taylor jumped into the top 30 this week on Billboard with the most increased audience honor, so I wouldn't worry about that. :)
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 23, 2013 10:21:39 GMT -5
I have to admit, I like the way Red sounds at this time of the year (despite Taylor Swift trying to make Red a billion syllable word in the chorus). Perfect release for her.
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Post by jughead on Jul 27, 2013 19:12:33 GMT -5
Has the country charts ever been this clogged/crowded at the top?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 17:52:34 GMT -5
How's this looking on the charts? Has the country charts ever been this clogged/crowded at the top? Usually almost always is.
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Post by Marv on Jul 29, 2013 22:13:09 GMT -5
Since Kip is #1 at Mediabase while Randy Houser is tops at Billboard, it's conceivable that both of those tunes could start to lose spins very quickly, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Kip continues the long-running trend of losing 600+ spins after a single week in the Mediabase penthouse, with the exception of 'One Of Those Nights'.
OTOH, it's also conceivable that Randy's label might push him to #1 @ Mediabase this week, which may or may not get him a second week at #1 at Billboard.
With Luke Bryan, the Zac Brown Band and The Band Perry set to go recurrent over the course of the next three Sundays, the top five and top ten will both look radically different real soon, certainly within 3 or 4 weeks, which may or may not constitute the charts becoming 'unclogged', even if for a very brief period of time as this housecleaning cranks up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 1:25:54 GMT -5
Since Kip is #1 at Mediabase while Randy Houser is tops at Billboard, it's conceivable that both of those tunes could start to lose spins very quickly, so I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Kip continues the long-running trend of losing 600+ spins after a single week in the Mediabase penthouse, with the exception of 'One Of Those Nights'. OTOH, it's also conceivable that Randy's label might push him to #1 @ Mediabase this week, which may or may not get him a second week at #1 at Billboard. With Luke Bryan, the Zac Brown Band and The Band Perry set to go recurrent over the course of the next three Sundays, the top five and top ten will both look radically different real soon, certainly within 3 or 4 weeks, which may or may not constitute the charts becoming 'unclogged', even if for a very brief period of time as this housecleaning cranks up. Houser's song IS going for another week at #1, and another after that, according to all the ads in the daily Aircheck emails: But Taylor is moving a bit slower now. She gained 1 million on Billboard this week, but the Tim and Blake songs are screaming up 4 times as quickly. This is by no means doing poorly though...it's just not blazing a trail up the chart by any means. Nearly every song that's hit #1 on MB so far this year has only gotten a week there. Some of the songs that stayed on past their shelf life promptly fell very hard, but I don't see Kip falling any quicker than usual. Randy will definitely NOT fall very fast...he's gonna get another week or two at #1 yet, and this song is the HIT of the summer right now, so it will be a slow fall a la "Crash My Party".
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Post by jughead on Aug 1, 2013 8:41:54 GMT -5
So, how are the callout scores for this song?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 1, 2013 13:50:24 GMT -5
This isn't one of her best lyrics; there's no real narrative, just a string of similes that only kinda sorta advance into a plot. I like that it has more energy than her usual uptempos. (That was my biggest issue with "Sparks Fly" — that it was mostly uptempo, but the chorus had no punch to it like a good chorus shoud.) I see that Dann Huff co-produced this with Nathan Chapman, so that might explain things.
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Post by jughead on Aug 3, 2013 1:04:39 GMT -5
What's concerning about this song is its iTunes performance. It seems to have stalled around the 150s. It could be that it has already sold enough as a promo single or people just aren't here for this song being a single.
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Post by churchchoir on Aug 3, 2013 2:41:56 GMT -5
Well, this isn't quite the monster #1 hit I'd foreseen. It should still be a top 5 hit but this will definitely be an unusually slow climber for Taylor. I sure hope radio just doesn't like this single due to its pop elements and they're not starting to give up on Taylor Swift altogether. I really hope "All Too Well" is released before the era ends, because that song, as I've said before, seems like a classic Taylor country song to me that should have no problems reaching #1 and getting Taylor back to the amount of radio momentum she used to have (equal to Blake Shelton, Carrie Underwood, and Kenny Chesney).
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Post by jughead on Aug 3, 2013 2:48:58 GMT -5
This could be her "Cry" era. Let's just hope that she can follow this up with her "Fireflies".
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 3, 2013 4:59:36 GMT -5
^ But remember that the last single from Fireflies flopped miserably (despite being one of her absolute best) and she never saw above mid-20s again.
The question is, how long before Taylor hits her "The Hits" era? Complete with a ridiculously clichéd Kara DioGuardi power ballad and a cheesy motivational song whose lyrics are utter gibberish.
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Post by jughead on Aug 9, 2013 18:38:57 GMT -5
This sure is moving slow for a Taylor Swift single.
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 10, 2013 9:09:49 GMT -5
This sure is moving slow for a Taylor Swift single. I do not know what you mean by that. Red is on for eight weeks at #23. Craig Campbell, at #24 has been on for 44 weeks with Outta My Head.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Aug 11, 2013 0:58:33 GMT -5
This sure is moving slow for a Taylor Swift single. I do not know what you mean by that. Red is on for eight weeks at #23. Craig Campbell, at #24 has been on for 44 weeks with Outta My Head. Are the charts runs of Taylor Swift and Craig Campbell even remotely comparable, though? I mean, considering the stature of the artists and their chart history.
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Post by jughead on Aug 11, 2013 6:00:40 GMT -5
This sure is moving slow for a Taylor Swift single. I do not know what you mean by that. Red is on for eight weeks at #23. Craig Campbell, at #24 has been on for 44 weeks with Outta My Head. A normal Taylor single would have already been Top 20 at the very least after 8 weeks. Heck, it should already be approaching Top 10 by now. This has been her slowest climbing single since what? Teardrops?
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Aug 16, 2013 21:29:00 GMT -5
I really hope this continues chugging along or start rising a lot more faster. This is a song that nobody, especially Country, really should miss out on. It's pop country perfection. Hopefully BMR starts pushing this more or somehow the radios start playing this more.
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Post by tim on Aug 17, 2013 0:56:13 GMT -5
Count me in as a fan of this great tune. More than not I enjoy her music, with the exception of "We Are Never Ever..." being blocked from my catalog of music...like forever, ever. I've always enjoyed her since I saw her on tour with King George when no one even knew her name...except "Tim McGraw." This song is great!
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Post by jughead on Aug 22, 2013 22:36:14 GMT -5
Just watched her CMA fest performance for this song. While her vocals have definitely improved, her awkward movements and gestures have gotten more and more distracting.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 2, 2013 23:06:19 GMT -5
I had been theorizing for years that Taylor had a high burnout rate, as judged by the monster drops her songs take after they peak. Even as early as "Our Song", her songs went into free-fall after peaking.
This song is 11 weeks old and still only at #22, which is definitely slow for her. To compare, here's where every other single of hers was at 11 weeks:
Tim McGraw: #32 Teardrops on My Guitar: #21 Our Song: #10 Picture to Burn: #9 Should've Said No: #4 (fell to #5 next week, then rebounded to #1) Love Story: #3 (already on its way down from #1) White Horse: #10 You Belong with Me: #8 Fifteen: #9 Fearless: #12 Mine: #8 (fell from #6, rebounded to #5) Back to December: #9 Mean: #6 (including the one week it got as an album cut) Sparks Fly: #13 Ours: #12 We Are Never Ever etc.: N/A (went recurrent after its 9th week) Begin Again: #14 Highway Don't Care: #10
So, in short, even her slower climbers (e.g. Begin Again, which didn't peak until its 22nd week) are usually within striking distance of Top 10 at this point. But this one isn't even Top 20. Big Machine is ridiculously tenacious at times, but I have to wonder just how long this one will take up space before they throw in the towel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:11:18 GMT -5
I'm stunned that this one's seeing such a slow rise because of how radio-friendly it seems, but I honestly do wonder if Country radio just isn't being as receptive of Taylor anymore. We've seen what happened with WANEGBT, "Begin Again" became a nightmare to watch go up the charts once it lugged itself into the Top 10, and HDC was also carried by Tim and Keith. With this one following in suit of the smash HDC and being her first solo release to Country in over half of a year, you'd think her name alone would be able to get it soaring into the Top 15, at least, without an issue.
Kind of surprised, and this seems pretty telling of what may potentially come in the future. Drop "Red", release & promote the hell out of "All Too Well", and I think seeing that one hit #1 will make up for lost time with WANEGBT, "Begin Again", and this one.
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Post by someguy on Sept 2, 2013 23:33:04 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, I really think that she should've gone with an overly 'country' release to show country radio that she still wants to be a part of the format. I think if "Stay, Stay, Stay" had been the single, it would have been closing in on the top 10 by now, but I guess we'll never know if that was true.
In a way, this reminds me of "It Only Hurts When I'm Breathing" by Shania from Up. Big fan favourite song, but only made the top 20 at radio after her album was seen as too 'pop'. Had "I Ain't Goin' Down" been released, despite it not being as good a sing/big a fan favourite, it may have performed better because it would have been seen as a really country release from a pop leaning album.
That being said, "Red" is far from being over, and hopefully it can pick back up and still become a decent sized hit.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Sept 2, 2013 23:54:41 GMT -5
So glad to see this not doing well. I always knew this were a poor single choice, at least for country radio and in my opinion no less poppy than WANEGBT (plus just a terrible song). I hope that Big Machine will settle for a top 15 peak with this and then release "All Too Well" for the fall/winter months. If that doesn't get released, I'll be pretty angry. It is easily Taylor's most well-written song in her catalogue and deserves to be a big hit.
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Post by churchchoir on Sept 3, 2013 0:32:36 GMT -5
It's going to be even more of a challenge for Big Machine to carry this one up the chart than "Begin Again" was, but I'm confident they will do the usual chart manipulation and get Taylor at least a top 10 hit, likely taking spins from other artists in the BMLG who have bigger hits higher up the chart than "Red" (Tim McGraw, Thomas Rhett, probably not FGL or Justin Moore, though). I agree with zaclord 🌈 that this was a poor single choice...way too noticeably pop-leaning. "All Too Well," despite its length, would have made a great single. Radio is going to become increasingly hesitant to play Taylor's music if she continues in this direction and soon she may find her songs collapsing around #20 like the last Rascal Flatts song. There has to be a point at which radio says "no" to all this forced airplay.
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Post by jughead on Sept 3, 2013 0:44:26 GMT -5
All Too Well could have been a career-changing single for her, but I'm afraid it's too late now.
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Post by joey2002 on Sept 3, 2013 1:56:48 GMT -5
All Too Well could have been a career-changing single for her, but I'm afraid it's too late now. It's not too late... "All Too Well" is a perfect fall/winter type song. It just needs to be released as a single.
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Post by desertfloods on Sept 4, 2013 12:32:30 GMT -5
I'm glad radio agrees with me on this so far. Never liked this song ever since album release - whether as pop or country single. The lyrics are just... meh. And it doesn't even have anything particularly interesting with its melody or production. JMO of course.
Just drop this and release All Too Well already.
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Post by Living Legend on Sept 4, 2013 12:49:17 GMT -5
This probably won't peak until right before the CMA's. Hopefully Big Machine can push this into the Top 5 by then. I can totally see her debuting "All Too Well" at the CMA's similar to how she did with "Ours" 2 years ago.
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