American Top 40 - July 20, 2013

[Cerebro]

The chart's up early, this week…and a HUGE catch up week, too. Many of us thought it wouldn't happen, but Robin Thicke jumps to #1 from outside the top 10. I'd have to do some digging to figure it out, but has this ever happened before? If so, when was the last time such a big jump to #1 was made? The down side…Selena gets screwed by slowness.


AMERICAN TOP 40 - JULY 20, 2013
LW TW WKS Artist - Title
--  40 (01) Phillip Phillips - Gone, Gone, Gone
36 39 (29) Taylor Swift - I Knew You Were Trouble
--  38 (01) Labrinth featuring Emeli Sandé - Beneath Your Beautiful
32 37 (39) Bruno Mars - Locked Out Of Heaven
--  36 (01) Emblem3 - Chloe (You're The One I Want)
33 35 (29) Maroon 5 - Daylight
35 34 (05) Nikki Williams - Glowing
30 33 (29) Calvin Harris featuring Florence Welch - Sweet Nothing
24 32 (21) Pitbull featuring Christina Aguilera - Feel This Moment
28 31 (27) Macklemore and Ryan Lewis featuring Wanz - Thrift Shop
Breakout: David Guetta featuring Ne-Yo and Akon - Play Hard
Optional Extra: Rihanna - S.O.S. (Rescue Me)
29 30 (35) Swedish House Mafia featuring John Martin - Don't You Worry Child
--  29 (01) Austin Mahone - What About Love
22 28 (23) Bruno Mars - When I Was Your Man
40 27 (02) Miley Cyrus - We Can't Stop
21 26 (09) Ed Sheeran - Lego House
Breakout: Jay-Z featuring Justin Timberlake - Holy Grail
27 25 (03) Britney Spears - Ooh La La
26 24 (07) Ke$ha featuring Will.I.Am - Crazy Kids
--  23 (01) Rihanna featuring David Guetta - Right Now
16 22 (17) Demi Lovato - Heart Attack
39 21 (03) Macklemore and Ryan Lewis featuring Mary Lambert - Same Love
Optional Extra: Justin Timberlake - Summer Love
31 20 (04) Capital Cities - Safe And Sound
17 19 (21) Rihanna featuring Mikky Ekko - Stay
20 18 (08) Anna Kendrick - Cups (Pitch Perfect's When I'm Gone)
Breakout: Pitbull featuring Danny Mercer - Outta Nowhere
15 17 (09) Mariah Carey featuring Miguel - #Beautiful
Extra: Justin Bieber featuring Ludacris - All Around The World
13 16 (13) Ariana Grande featuring Mac Miller - The Way
06 15 (18) Pink featuring Nate Ruess - Just Give Me A Reason
18 14 (05) Maroon 5 - Love Somebody
19 13 (11) Calvin Harris featuring Ellie Goulding - I Need Your Love
08 12 (19) Fall Out Boy - My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark (Light 'Em Up)
09 11 (07) Bruno Mars - Treasure
Optional Extra: Cobra Starship featuring Sabi - You Make Me Feel...
14 10 (11) Zedd featuring Foxes - Clarity
10 09 (10) Jason Derülo - The Other Side
07 08 (12) Florida Georgia Line featuring Nelly - Cruise
Breakout: Sean Kingston featuring Chris Brown and Wiz Khalifa - Beat It
02 07 (20) Icona Pop featuring Charli XCX - I Love It
04 06 (14) Justin Timberlake - Mirrors
12 05 (10) Imagine Dragons - Radioactive
03 04 (12) Selena Gomez - Come And Get It
05 03 (09) Daft Punk featuring Pharrell Williams - Get Lucky
Optional Extra: Neon Trees - Animal
01 02 (15) Macklemore and Ryan Lewis featuring Ray Dalton - Can't Hold Us
11 01 (06) Robin Thicke featuring T.I. and Pharrell - Blurred Lines ** 1 week @ no. 1 **

DROPPERS:
Kelly Clarkson - People Like Us (from 38, 5 weeks on)
Will.I.Am featuring Justin Bieber - #thatPOWER (from 37, 13 weeks on)
Jennifer Lopez featuring Pitbull - Live It Up (from 34, 8 weeks on)
Emeli Sandé - Next To Me (from 25, 14 weeks on)
Avril Lavigne - Here's To Never Growing Up (from 23, 11 weeks on)

COMMENTARY FROM RYAN:
Since it was such a busy week, I figured I'd make mention of some of the fun facts that Ryan brought up throughout the show.
• Every song is on the move (as johnnywest observed) and there are 5 debuts…both mentioned at the beginning of the show
• This is Rihanna's 200th straight week on AT40, more than any artist in history
• The 18 spot jump for "Same Love" ties Pink for the biggest move of the year (so far)
• Confirming what Adam (UTR) said, Paul and Linda McCartney's "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" (1971) was the last song to make this big of a jump to #1

[Adam (UTR)]

Last time it happened was when AT40 was using the Hot 100. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" shot from 12-1 in 1971 for Paul and Linda McCartney. Otherwise, it's never happened when the chart's been solely based on airplay.

[josh]

What the fuck.

[Cerebro]

Jul 17, 2013 7:17:27 GMT -5 Adam (UTR) said:

Last time it happened was when AT40 was using the Hot 100. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" shot from 12-1 in 1971 for Paul and Linda McCartney. Otherwise, it's never happened when the chart's been solely based on airplay.

Sounds about right.

Now that I think about it, using AT40's current version of chart history, this would be the biggest jump to #1 in 21 years. In 1992, Madonna climbed 10-1 with "This Used To Be My Playground".

[jjose712]

Not only Selena lost the number one, she probably won't get number 2 either

[mkarns]

Whoa..I expected "Blurred Lines" to jump to something like 3, 4, or 5, then to 1, not 11-1. That and other chart moves make AT40 look almost bipolar in a sense, with several weeks of slow movement followed by lots of big jumps, drops, and debuts.

After six straight weeks as an extra, Austin Mahone finally lands on the chart, and pretty high up as well (I doubt he would have jumped all the way from 41 or lower to 29 under a more consistently maintained chart.) Emblem3 come on board after three weeks as extras, and after making that weird jump back from 39 to 32 last week "Locked Out of Heaven" falls back to 37. Interestingly, Bruno Mars has three hits on the countdown and they're all moving down, though "Treasure" may well rebound back into the top 10.

Regarding other debuts and droppers, the highest new entry comes in at #23, from which position another song falls right off the chart; Emeli Sande's first hit drops out to be replaced by her collaboration with Labrinth; and no Justin Bieber for the first time since April 2012.

[TheAzianWill]

What?!?!?! That didn't happen on the Mediabase Top 40 chart......it was #5 > #1 not #11 > #1

[Arnold]

The reason why this happened is because last week's AT-40 was using a chart that was 3 1/2 weeks old, and this week AT-40 is using a chart that is less than 2 weeks old. So therefore, the jump from #11 to #1 represents a 2 1/2 week period, not a one week period. In other words, it took 2 1/2 weeks for Blurred Lines to move from #11 to #1 on AT-40.

[musiciscool]

Woah, now that is a more up to date chart. The only problem that I am having is not seeing Selena at #1, and now she never will because of Blurred Lines. Selena should have #1 this week, and Robin Thicke next week, but not going to happen.

[Lozzy]

Very happy at the debuts for Austin Mahone and Labrinth! Hopefully skipping ahead with "Blurred Lines" is a permanent move, not a once-off thing just to speed up the one song.

[johnnywest]

It doesn't look like any song holds in place. Is this a first?

[johnnywest]

Jul 17, 2013 9:59:44 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Not only Selena lost the number one, she probably won't get number 2 either

I think Lenny Kravitz got a week or two at #1 in R&R with "Again" but he didn't make it to #1 on AT40.

[mkarns]

Jul 17, 2013 21:34:37 GMT -5 johnnywest said:

Jul 17, 2013 9:59:44 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Not only Selena lost the number one, she probably won't get number 2 either

I think Lenny Kravitz got a week or two at #1 in R&R with "Again" but he didn't make it to #1 on AT40.

"Again" was #1 for 3 nonconsecutive weeks in R&R (it alternated with Jennifer Lopez' "Love Don't Cost a Thing" in the #1 slot.) That was during the 10 month period in 2000-01 when AT40 under Casey used Mediabase. I don't know why that was done; contractual issues with Radio & Records?

[musicfanpete]

This was my fear last week that this could happen, though I did not think "Blurred Lines" would jump up that much. Maybe they only pushed it up 10 days to two weeks as there weren't any huge droppers (double digits). But there's no reason this chart should have fallen behind, especially in an age where you have up-to-date chart data.

I can't find the Hot AC chart yet. Anyone seen it? It doesn't look like it's been posted yet.

[musicfanpete]

Jul 17, 2013 21:08:02 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

Very happy at the debuts for Austin Mahone and Labrinth! Hopefully skipping ahead with "Blurred Lines" is a permanent move, not a once-off thing just to speed up the one song.

Whoopie regarding Mahone! They certainly had it as a breakout/extra long enough!

[musicfanpete]

Jul 17, 2013 21:53:16 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

I can't find the Hot AC chart yet. Anyone seen it? It doesn't look like it's been posted yet.

Never mind! Found it! :)

Consolation prize for Selena as she jumped from #37 to #26 on the AT40 Hot AC chart. Daft Punk had the biggest mover up 13 spots, Robin Thicke the highest debut of the year at #21, and a song dropping right off the chart from #16 (Demi Levato's "Heart Attack"). Not a big surprise about Demi though as that song just collapsed on Mediabase a few weeks ago. So definitely a catch-up week on the Hot AC chart as well.

[Cerebro]

Jul 17, 2013 21:33:09 GMT -5 johnnywest said:

It doesn't look like any song holds in place. Is this a first?

You're right. I hadn't noticed, but yes, every song has moved. I'm hesitant to suggest that this is the first time that's happened, but it's, undoubtedly, a rare occurrence.

[jdelachjr2002]

Jul 17, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5 mkarns said:

and no Justin Bieber for the first time since April 2012.

Do extras count? If so, his streak remains intact.

Breakout: David Guetta featuring Ne-Yo & Akon - Play Hard (after #31)
Optional Extra: Rihanna - S.O.S. (after "Play Hard")
Extra: Jay-Z featuring Justin Timberlake - Holy Grail (after #26)
Optional Extra: Justin Timberlake - Summer Love (after #21)
Breakout: Pitbull featuring Danny Mercer - Outta Nowhere (after #18)
Extra: Justin Bieber featuring Ludacris - All Around The World (after #17)
Optional Extra: Cobra Starship featuring Sabi - You Make Me Feel... (after #11)
Breakout: Sean Kingston featuring Chris Brown & Wiz Khalifa - Beat It (after #8)
Optional Extra: Neon Trees - Animal (after #3)

Looks like no Two For One this week.

Also Seacrest interviews Adam Lambert who mentions an upcoming appearance on "Glee" and the death of Cory Monteith was mentioned so I assume AT40 records early in the week (presumably on Monday).

[mkarns]

Jul 18, 2013 22:40:17 GMT -5 jdelachjr2002 said:

Jul 17, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5 mkarns said:

and no Justin Bieber for the first time since April 2012.

Do extras count? If so, his streak remains intact.

I was just referring to current chart singles, but AT40 does have a pattern of including as extras previous hits by artists who have just fallen off the countdown after a long stay. They included a Ke$ha song as an extra on the week in fall 2011 when she disappeared from the chart after two continuous years on it, and if and when Rihanna's current streak (nearly four years) ever ends I bet she'll get the same treatment.

[cookie111]

AAAHHHHH!!!! This is something I'm loving right now. Five whoppin' new entries, including ones from Austin Mahone, Emblem3 and Rihanna. Didn't expect Labrinth and Phillip Phillips to enter either. Sean Kingston is on the breakout of being in the Top 40 for the first time in 3 years, but I'm definitely sure that "Beat It" won't make it in. Macklemore's latest has the biggest jump and a former No. 1 song takes the biggest drop. The good news: history is made as Robin Thicke makes the biggest jump to No. 1 in 4 decades. The bad news: Selena gets screwed! She loses the chance of getting her very first No. 1 song on the countdown. If she had reached No. 1, she would be the youngest artist to reach the top as of now, breaking JoJo's feat. Selena must be enraged with this. :)

[mkarns]

Jul 19, 2013 15:06:51 GMT -5 cookie111 said:

If she had reached No. 1, she would be the youngest artist to reach the top as of now, breaking JoJo's feat. Selena must be enraged with this. :)

Selena Gomez is 20; she'll be 21 next week (BD: 7/22/92). Jojo was only 13 when "Leave (Get Out)" hit #1 in summer 2004.

[ericcase]

Jul 17, 2013 12:40:39 GMT -5 Arnold said:

The reason why this happened is because last week's AT-40 was using a chart that was 3 1/2 weeks old, and this week AT-40 is using a chart that is less than 2 weeks old. So therefore, the jump from #11 to #1 represents a 2 1/2 week period, not a one week period. In other words, it took 2 1/2 weeks for Blurred Lines to move from #11 to #1 on AT-40.

Arrrrrrhhhhhh I promised myself I wouldn't post in this "imaginary" chart thread. Because an "imaginary" chart is what you good people have been led to BELIEVE as some sort of accuracy! By the posts I've read, you actually take this buffoonery of a countdown & set it up to matter in some sort of "fairy Tale" way!!

Quite the contrary, there WON'T be ANY Seacreast-era AT40 book of chart records coming any day soon (Joel Whitburn uses ACTUAL chart facts for his 200+ Billboard books) Wow what a CONCEPT, It won't be reported That Taio Cruz set the longevity record with "Dynamite" & lastly the REASON I'm posting today is "out of the freakin' sky" I SEE they jump "Blurred Lines" from #11 to #1?? Just to shave off a week?

No really it's soooo COMICAL that I can barely stand up. These FOOLS set this up so the REST of the known universe DON'T laugh at them (As Much) when everyone else in the world sees "Blurred Lines" is the song of the summer, possible Song of the year & last but not least #1 since late June.
C'mon people!!

Demand MORE than having hacks throw darts at each song to give it chart placement. This travesty will continue AS LONG as YOU continue to LISTEN! Screw it!! maybe you enjoy getting a 100% water DOWN Top 40 each weekend (lord knows there's ALWAYS a thread up for it) It just makes me SAD. Please Just don't make it as this mess has ANY valor! As records are being broken dating back to 1971! WHAT? It really belongs on Comedy Central Radio and sadly that's no joke.

So follow Billboard, Mediabase, hell even the itunes charts! All have 1000x's more Validity than this crapfest! Truly my last post in this AT40 thread cause I'm not going to be a sheep led by buffoons who want you to take them seriously. As previously stated & FOREVER stamped...You truly deserve a BILLION times better. It's your choice

[cookie111]

I know, but JoJo was born in 1990 and she's the only artist born in the 1990s to make to No. 1. JoJo is 19 months older than Selena, so if she hadn't gotten screwed by Robin Thicke, she would've been the youngest artist. Yet Bieber didn't manage to get his first No. 1 song yet.

[musicfanpete]

Jul 19, 2013 19:22:23 GMT -5 ericcase said:

Jul 17, 2013 12:40:39 GMT -5 Arnold said:

The reason why this happened is because last week's AT-40 was using a chart that was 3 1/2 weeks old, and this week AT-40 is using a chart that is less than 2 weeks old. So therefore, the jump from #11 to #1 represents a 2 1/2 week period, not a one week period. In other words, it took 2 1/2 weeks for Blurred Lines to move from #11 to #1 on AT-40.

Arrrrrrhhhhhh I promised myself I wouldn't post in this "imaginary" chart thread. Because an "imaginary" chart is what you good people have been led to BELIEVE as some sort of accuracy! By the posts I've read, you actually take this buffoonery of a countdown & set it up to matter in some sort of "fairy Tale" way!!

Quite the contrary, there WON'T be ANY Seacreast-era AT40 book of chart records coming any day soon (Joel Whitburn uses ACTUAL chart facts for his 200+ Billboard books) Wow what a CONCEPT, It won't be reported That Taio Cruz set the longevity record with "Dynamite" & lastly the REASON I'm posting today is "out of the freakin' sky" I SEE they jump "Blurred Lines" from #11 to #1?? Just to shave off a week?

No really it's soooo COMICAL that I can barely stand up. These FOOLS set this up so the REST of the known universe DON'T laugh at them (As Much) when everyone else in the world sees "Blurred Lines" is the song of the summer, possible Song of the year & last but not least #1 since late June.
C'mon people!!

Demand MORE than having hacks throw darts at each song to give it chart placement. This travesty will continue AS LONG as YOU continue to LISTEN! Screw it!! maybe you enjoy getting a 100% water DOWN Top 40 each weekend (lord knows there's ALWAYS a thread up for it) It just makes me SAD. Please Just don't make it as this mess has ANY valor! As records are being broken dating back to 1971! WHAT? It really belongs on Comedy Central Radio and sadly that's no joke.

So follow Billboard, Mediabase, hell even the itunes charts! All have 1000x's more Validity than this crapfest! Truly my last post in this AT40 thread cause I'm not going to be a sheep led by buffoons who want you to take them seriously. As previously stated & FOREVER stamped...You truly deserve a BILLION times better. It's your choice

Hold on a sec eric. This IS an actual chart, using actual Mediabase data based on the AT40 affiliates. The problem with this chart is not the data itself, it's the fact that they compile this chart on what seems like random days of the week instead of basing it on the same day of the week for each show. The fact that Ryan's vacation and/or production schedule seems to dictate what day will be used for a particular chart is where the problem lies. Simple fix. If Ryan can't record the show in time to keep the chart more than one or two weeks behind, then they need to have him record the shows ahead of time, so if he is busy the chart won't fall so far behind.

Eric, if you want a buffoon chart, go check out Rick Dees and his charts. Now THAT I would agree with you!

[johnnywest]

Jul 17, 2013 7:17:27 GMT -5 Adam (UTR) said:

Last time it happened was when AT40 was using the Hot 100. "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" shot from 12-1 in 1971 for Paul and Linda McCartney.

You're correct. Ryan mentioned that going into the #1 song this week. He didn't say the title, but he did mention Paul & Linda McCartney and 1971.

[billme]

Pete's defense of AT40's chart and his on-going debate with Eric has lead to this conclusion. Seacrest is more important than the chart used for the show. The fact is this has never happen in the history of AT40 not during Casey's or Shadoe's time at the mike. It's Seacrest's world and we just have to live under his rules.

By the way, Premiere's sister CHR/Pop countdown Hollywood Hamilton's Weekend Top 30, had Selena Gomez @ #1 this week. Interesting because the choice of the #1 song and Hollywood is not the host this week as Lucas from KDWB is the guest host DJ. A Guest host that is actual working DJ? What?

[musicfanpete]

Jul 20, 2013 12:03:16 GMT -5 billme said:

Pete's defense of AT40's chart and his on-going debate with Eric has lead to this conclusion. Seacrest is more important than the chart used for the show. The fact is this has never happen in the history of AT40 not during Casey's or Shadoe's time at the mike. It's Seacrest's world and we just to live under his rules.

By the way, Premiere's sister CHR/Pop countdown Hollywood Hamilton's Weekend Top 30, had Selena Gomez @ #1 this week. Interesting because the choice of the #1 song and Hollywood is not the host this week as Lucas from KDWB is the guest host DJ. A Guest host that is actual working DJ? What?

Bill, please reread my previous post. I never defended the chart. I was saying that the data used for the chart is accurate per Mediabase. The problem is their skipping a week of data (a huge mistake in regards to Selena's shot at number one) to fit Ryan's production schedule, which agreed, would never have happened during Casey's and Shadoe's run. So I'm certainly not disagreeing with you or Eric in regards to this. The only thing I disagree with Eric is his assessment that the data is faulty. It's not, but it's not being used properly.

And yes, based on his focusing on the celebrity rather than music history, I agree that it is Seacrest's world and rules.

[friday]

Jul 20, 2013 12:03:16 GMT -5 billme said:

Pete's defense of AT40's chart and his on-going debate with Eric has lead to this conclusion. Seacrest is more important than the chart used for the show. The fact is this has never happen in the history of AT40 not during Casey's or Shadoe's time at the mike. It's Seacrest's world and we just have to live under his rules.

By the way, Premiere's sister CHR/Pop countdown Hollywood Hamilton's Weekend Top 30, had Selena Gomez @ #1 this week. Interesting because the choice of the #1 song and Hollywood is not the host this week as Lucas from KDWB is the guest host DJ. A Guest host that is actual working DJ? What?

To your point that Casey or Shadoe were never more important than the show, wasn't there an episode of AT40 in the 70s (I wanna say 1974), where they basically "guessed" what the chart would be for that week because Casey was filming an appearance for a TV show and they wouldn't get the actual chart in time to record the show?

[mkarns]

Jul 20, 2013 20:26:32 GMT -5 friday said:

Jul 20, 2013 12:03:16 GMT -5 billme said:

Pete's defense of AT40's chart and his on-going debate with Eric has lead to this conclusion. Seacrest is more important than the chart used for the show. The fact is this has never happen in the history of AT40 not during Casey's or Shadoe's time at the mike. It's Seacrest's world and we just have to live under his rules.

By the way, Premiere's sister CHR/Pop countdown Hollywood Hamilton's Weekend Top 30, had Selena Gomez @ #1 this week. Interesting because the choice of the #1 song and Hollywood is not the host this week as Lucas from KDWB is the guest host DJ. A Guest host that is actual working DJ? What?

To your point that Casey or Shadoe were never more important than the show, wasn't there an episode of AT40 in the 70s (I wanna say 1974), where they basically "guessed" what the chart would be for that week because Casey was filming an appearance for a TV show and they wouldn't get the actual chart in time to record the show?

AT40 basically guessed a chart for June 29, 1974 before Billboard had the chart ready and Casey had to head for Hawaii to film an appearance on "Hawaii Five-O". Most songs didn't match the official Billboard rankings, though they did guess the #1 song correctly (Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown".)

But I think the broader point made above is that while Casey became very well known for counting down the hits, under both him and Shadoe the focus of AT40 was the chart and associated acts, not him. I'm not sure I'd say that AT40 today is nothing more than On-Air with Ryan Seacrest with a differently structured playlist, but the chart positions and movements feel like an afterthought to many.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I've never heard anyone quote chart stats from AT40 since Ryan took over. Not sure what ericcase is rambling on about. I don't think anyone considers the AT40 universe as being true. It's like Batman comics and movies. Fans might consider the original comics to be canon, the dark knight series to be canon but some random series created by some random to not be. It's like fan fiction. This chart is like the fan fiction of music charts. People listen and maybe enjoy it. Question it. But don't actually consider it to be true.