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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Dec 21, 2013 15:54:06 GMT -5
I've come around to enjoy this a fairly good bit, but I still feel that this re-release method was a waste of time, money, and potential resources for the rest of the era. There were plenty of songs on the standard edition with Hilary and Charles sharing the lead and perhaps better written than this one (not that "Compass" is bad by any means) and I believe that the label is creating an easy way out of an under-performing second single like "Goodbye Town" to show the general public that Lady A is still on the top of their game by shipping out brand-spanking new songs to reignite interest for the Golden era. They may have had a good reason to do this, but I have a bad feeling that it may hurt the trio in the long run.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 21, 2013 16:10:04 GMT -5
I've come around to enjoy this a fairly good bit, but I still feel that this re-release method was a waste of time, money, and potential resources for the rest of the era. There were plenty of songs on the standard edition with Hilary and Charles sharing the lead and perhaps better written than this one (not that "Compass" is bad by any means) and I believe that the label is creating an easy way out of an under-performing second single like "Goodbye Town" to show the general public that Lady A is still on the top of their game by shipping out brand-spanking new songs to reignite interest for the Golden era. They may have had a good reason to do this, but I have a bad feeling that it may hurt the trio in the long run. This is my feeling down to the last word. I like "Compass", but re-releasing this album with some brand new songs was a waste of resources. And if "Compass" has a undesirable peak for Capitol, then it's a really bad decision. But on the other hand it would be easy to have that critisism if that should happen. "Compass" to me should have a parentheses next to it. (Capitol's overreaction to "Goodbye Town" missing the top 10)
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Post by drummerman2009 on Dec 22, 2013 10:21:25 GMT -5
Kind of a spoiler in a way but the Country Top 40 with Bob Kingsley when "Compass" was played the song lasted only a minute. Why? I was driving not too far from home and it was playing and when I got home it was done.
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Post by matty005 on Dec 22, 2013 12:28:05 GMT -5
How is this a spoiler? I think his show just does that to certain songs so they can fit the entire show into the time slot given.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 22, 2013 13:43:38 GMT -5
^ They've been doing that forever with not only Kingsley's countdown. But Lon Helton, and Kix Brooks as well. They have a super tight window when it comes to fitting not only all the top 30 or 40 singles, but the listener request, hottest song of the week (Lon Helton), Previous hits, etc. The countdowns are really just for the average person to hear where the song landed that week. If your hoping to hear the whole version of the song, these countdowns aren't for you.
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Post by churchchoir on Dec 22, 2013 14:53:00 GMT -5
I remember Kingsley would always cut off most of Kix Brooks' song "New to This Town." (Fishy...) The only countdown show I still hear is the one by the awful Bobby Bones crew (who have also taken over my radio every weekday morning >:(), so I don't know how often the other countdown shows cut off songs, but I don't notice Bones doing it when I do tune in to his countdown.
Regarding "Compass," I think this will probably end up going to #1. It had a really huge start and has cooled off since reaching the top 20, but the teens on the chart are very slow right now and so Lady A, Jon Pardi, Frankie Ballard, Thompson Square, and Danielle Bradbery are all going to have a fairly easy time getting up the charts since there are no huge hits in that vicinity right now.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 23, 2013 4:00:51 GMT -5
Kingsley cuts down songs now and then for time, but sometimes, it seems like some songs ALWAYS get the snip. He seemed to have a thing against the second verses to "Takin' off This Pain" and "Gettin' You Home (The Black Dress Song)", even though those barely scrape past 3 minutes as is. I think in all of its chart run, he only played the second verse to the latter four or five times, and I have yet to hear him play the uncut version on a retrospective. But most baffling of all is "Back That Thing Up", which he ALWAYS cut down even though it was 2:36 uncut. Absurd.
This was a thing I first noticed back in his last year at ACC, too. He also tended to cut down "It's a Heartache" and "Used to The Pain" about 75% of the time back in 2005, even though neither of those is that long. And I don't think he ever played "Good Ride Cowboy" in full, not even when it was a listener request a couple weeks into CT40's run (even though it was ONE WEEK after it fell from the charts!). One time on ACC, he just faded out "Delicious Surprise" at 2:21 (the part where she sings the title).
I remember one show in his last couple months at ACC, where he had a substitute who must've talked slower or something, because it felt like every other song was cut down.
I've even heard him use abridged versions on the listener requests. That ticked me off when he did that to "Stuck Like Glue" a couple years ago, since he had no qualms about playing the full version when it was charting. (Similar thing with "Toes" — he always played the "ass in the sand" version when it was charting, but any retrospectives or listener requests use the "toes in the sand" version. Listener complaints?)
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I still get to hear CT40 when I can. Church lets out about the time they're at #28, so if I'm not too tired, I usually listen to the #40-#29 portion online somewhere. ACC is horrendrous, so I can't possibly imagine how Bobby Bones would be worse, and Lon Helton is just boring boring boring because of his monotone voice.
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Post by sabre14 on Dec 23, 2013 14:00:34 GMT -5
Kingsley cuts down songs now and then for time, but sometimes, it seems like some songs ALWAYS get the snip. He seemed to have a thing against the second verses to "Takin' off This Pain" and "Gettin' You Home (The Black Dress Song)", even though those barely scrape past 3 minutes as is. I think in all of its chart run, he only played the second verse to the latter four or five times, and I have yet to hear him play the uncut version on a retrospective. But most baffling of all is "Back That Thing Up", which he ALWAYS cut down even though it was 2:36 uncut. Absurd. This was a thing I first noticed back in his last year at ACC, too. He also tended to cut down "It's a Heartache" and "Used to The Pain" about 75% of the time back in 2005, even though neither of those is that long. And I don't think he ever played "Good Ride Cowboy" in full, not even when it was a listener request a couple weeks into CT40's run (even though it was ONE WEEK after it fell from the charts!). One time on ACC, he just faded out "Delicious Surprise" at 2:21 (the part where she sings the title). I remember one show in his last couple months at ACC, where he had a substitute who must've talked slower or something, because it felt like every other song was cut down. I've even heard him use abridged versions on the listener requests. That ticked me off when he did that to "Stuck Like Glue" a couple years ago, since he had no qualms about playing the full version when it was charting. (Similar thing with "Toes" — he always played the "ass in the sand" version when it was charting, but any retrospectives or listener requests use the "toes in the sand" version. Listener complaints?) ==== I still get to hear CT40 when I can. Church lets out about the time they're at #28, so if I'm not too tired, I usually listen to the #40-#29 portion online somewhere. ACC is horrendrous, so I can't possibly imagine how Bobby Bones would be worse, and Lon Helton is just boring boring boring because of his monotone voice. Not to derail the "Compass" thread", but I remember "Big Time" by Big & Rich would always have the second verse removed... Always!, on Helton's countdown. Though the entirety of "You'll Be There" would be played at well over four minutes? I understand the time limit but you can at least change it up every week. Or maybe getting rid of that stupid acoustic version of the special guests latest single. That would save a good five minutes alone. Lon's countdown is certainly boring, but that's the one I grew up with, so it's nostalgia for myself. But ACC is awful, awful, AWFUL! It's unlistenable. I used to nit pick Lon Helton and Bob Kingsley's countdowns but I'll glady take both over Kix's any day. Maybe if "Compass" gets high enough it won't get cut off but it seems they will do it to any song, so I 'm not even that upset at it anymore cause I'm so used to it by now.
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Post by zeke789 on Dec 23, 2013 14:12:42 GMT -5
I detest countdown shows too much yakkin too many commercials.
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Post by kw9461 on Dec 23, 2013 14:49:39 GMT -5
This was a thing I first noticed back in his last year at ACC, too. He also tended to cut down "It's a Heartache" and "Used to The Pain" about 75% of the time back in 2005, even though neither of those is that long. And I don't think he ever played "Good Ride Cowboy" in full, not even when it was a listener request a couple weeks into CT40's run (even though it was ONE WEEK after it fell from the charts!). One time on ACC, he just faded out "Delicious Surprise" at 2:21 (the part where she sings the title). ==== I still get to hear CT40 when I can. Church lets out about the time they're at #28, so if I'm not too tired, I usually listen to the #40-#29 portion online somewhere. ACC is horrendrous, so I can't possibly imagine how Bobby Bones would be worse, and Lon Helton is just boring boring boring because of his monotone voice. I actually remember It's a Heartache getting cut down quite a bit, that always irritated me. I give Kingsley props for being the only show to continue to air 40 songs though, I guess concessions have to be made from time to time. I quit listening to countdowns after my local station switched to ACC a few years ago - it is simply unlistenable. They've since switched back to Kingsley, but I usually just catch bits and pieces.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 15:17:04 GMT -5
Not to get too far off-topic, but Kix is back to doing a top 40 for ACC. It's been that way for many months now, maybe most of the year.
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Post by renee75 on Dec 23, 2013 17:49:55 GMT -5
Really? I'll be darned. I hope Crook and Chase will follow suit. I'm so tired of the "Top 30 plus tons of filler" format.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 23, 2013 18:32:36 GMT -5
I detest countdown shows too much yakkin too many commercials. I rather like Bob's yakking, since he gives interesting facts about each artists. And the commercial breaks never feel long to me. But then again, a local station here thinks that five minutes is a reasonable length for a commercial break… However, it seems Bob's fact-checking and editing have slipped a notch since CT40 started. Off the top of my head: * On one show, he called Jason Michael Carroll "John Michael Carroll" THREE TIMES. * He once said that Gloriana's "Can't Shake You" was at #18 (which was correct) but played Thompson Square's "If I Didn't Have You" instead. Even worse, T2 was at #12 that week. * A couple weeks after that, Jake Owen's "Eight Second Ride" was sped up. I e-mailed the producer, who told me that he accidentally sped up the song when encoding it, and that he had deleted that version and re-encoded it correctly. * And a year ago, he mentioned George Strait's "She'll Leave You with a Smile" reaching #1… and played not the 2002 single, but the unrelated 1997 album cut of the same name. To his credit, he acknowledged that a listener had e-mailed him about the error, and played the right song. * He repeatedly said that Phil Vassar and Craig Wiseman wrote Joe Nichols' "Believers". I have to wonder how that one happened, since Phil had almost no outside cuts since like 2001. * I remember him giving a fake name for Thompson Square's yet-unreleased album when "Keep On Lovin' You" was climbing, but for the life of me, I can't remember said name. I swear the fake name was on Wikipedia at one point, but I couldn't find it when checking the article history. Anyone know what it was? Not to get too far off-topic, but Kix is back to doing a top 40 for ACC. It's been that way for many months now, maybe most of the year. Good to hear. Cutting the show to 30 because 31-40 were "unfamiliar" to listeners was a dumb move that just goes to show you how thick headed PDs can be at times.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 6, 2014 13:55:34 GMT -5
The more I listen to this now that I have the Golden: Deluxe album, I think this my least favorite song on the entire set, so I'm kind of puzzled at how this was deemed so good they had to re-release the record. If they were gonna do that, they should've gone w/ "And the Radio Played" as the single, which, on the flipside, is my favorite track on the album. This one is just a little too cluttery in the production and the chorus lyrics are so vapid to me. I really hope that this re-release allows them to release two more singles off this, but I'd be surprised all the same considering they've never gone more than four deep even when they were at their peak. That said, I want "And the Radio Played" and "Better Off Now (That You're Gone)" to see the light of day. Both are fantastic. As an aside, I made a Lady Antebellum poll in The Polling Booth that I think some of ya'll would enjoy: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/137065/radio-played
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Post by cmc78 on Jan 6, 2014 21:10:40 GMT -5
Their tour starts Friday and I noticed that today 6 dates have been removed and this is the new set of dates. Anyone hear anything as to why this schedule still doesn't seem completed yet from when they had to reschedule everything when they canceled first leg last yr and moved all to this yr? It has been changed so much. They had already removed dates before releasing the new schedule and now removing dates from it. They only have 10 shows in Jan, 10 in Feb, 13 in March, 1 in April, 0 in May, 2 in June, and 5 in July. And the shows in June/July are fairs/festivals.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 9, 2014 12:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Feb 6, 2014 17:02:05 GMT -5
"And the Radio Played" is begging to be a hit, so let's hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 18:24:35 GMT -5
Sigh. Lady A is so frustrating lately. They move on to new albums so quickly it seems. "And The Radio Played" would be a great single, sure, but they should've kept that for a new studio album. Because there are still several tracks on the regular edition of Golden that would all be great for radio, namely "Better Off Now", "Long Teenage Goodbye", and "All For Love". But now it seems that there's very little chance that any of those songs will go out to radio.
I do think "And The Radio Played" will be a single but that'll be it for this album. They made a lyric video for it several weeks ago, already.
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Post by sabre14 on Feb 6, 2014 19:25:03 GMT -5
Sigh. Lady A is so frustrating lately. They move on to new albums so quickly it seems. "And The Radio Played" would be a great single, sure, but they should've kept that for a new studio album. Because there are still several tracks on the regular edition of Golden that would all be great for radio, namely "Better Off Now", "Long Teenage Goodbye", and "All For Love". But now it seems that there's very little chance that any of those songs will go out to radio. I do think "And The Radio Played" will be a single but that'll be it for this album. They made a lyric video for it several weeks ago, already. Is this all because of the under performing of "Goodbye Town"? I ask that question knowing the answer.. yes. But how could Capitol overreact like that. Luckily "Compass" has worked at radio as it currently sits top 6, and they do have "And The Radio Played" waiting in the wings but this news of already working on another album is too fast and unnecessary to me. I agree that "Better Off Now" would have been a great single choice along with "All For Love". Maybe they had knowledge of radio not embracing any other song off the original Golden album so they rushed "Compass" out there in hopes off erasing the memory of "Goodbye Town" missing the top 10. In the end it might not matter, cause I do think "And The Radio Played" will be a certain smash (Country radio loves songs that pump up their self-esteem), and "Compass" is doing well, but this could have easily been destructive IMO.
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Post by Marv on Feb 6, 2014 21:36:05 GMT -5
TenPoundHammer is correct; the fact that enough of the stations which carry Kix's show exerted substantial pressure on Cumulus to chop the countdown from 40 songs to 30 songs clearly shows how conservative Cumulus is regardless of format, and that's been the case for decades, and especially with their top 40 stations. The 'unfamiliar music' excuse which those affiliates used in order to get the show shortened simply stems from the fact that some of the songs in slots 31-40 aren't being played on the station airing the countdown, which could be a major embarrassment to that station's PD and/or MD, and especially if a song by a format superstar debuts somewhere between 31-40 (happens all the time), yet doesn't air on those stations, yet will be cited as 'the week's biggest mover' or whatever phrase Kix uses on the following week's countdown, much to the consternation of the listeners, who'll either inundate Kix's website or the station's website (or Facebook page) with protests galore.
It never made any sense to me for Kix's show to be reduced from a top 40 to a top 30 in the first place, but as a baby-boomer who grew up listening to Casey Kasem when he came here to LA from Cleveland in 1963 and whom also listens to the original versions of American Top 40 every weekend these days, that show had to be expanded from 3 to 4 hours (I believe sometime in 1977) because songs got progressively longer--Elton John being a maj
Lots of stations starting with WUSN jam extra commercials into those countdown shows such as they do with Kingsley's countdown which is why the countdown never ends four hours after it starts, and always runs 10 minutes or more over.
I still think it was extremely stupid for 'Golden' to be re-released and declared it to be an unnecessary ripoff; 'Compass' certainly could have been saved as the lead single from their next CD, since this CD had plenty of tunes worthy of being released as singles.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Feb 6, 2014 22:48:22 GMT -5
Didn't Kix return his show to 40 though?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Feb 6, 2014 23:12:25 GMT -5
Personally, I was never a big fan of Golden and I think "Compass" and "And The Radio Played" are miles better than anything on the standard edition of the album. I liked "Downtown" as well, but I feel like everything else on the album is rather boring. I haven't listened to the album in a long time, but that's how I remember it. So I would be more than happy if they send "And The Radio Played" to radio after "Compass" is done and then move on to their next album, which preferably will be Lady Antebellum, Part 2 rather than Need You Now, Golden, or Own The Night.
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Post by joey2002 on Feb 7, 2014 0:08:54 GMT -5
"All For Love" is another one of those songs that can keep "All Too Well" and "Day That I Die" company in the 'hall of shame' that they stayed album tracks. I really don't understand why they threw away so many awesome songs on the non-deluxe edition of Golden.
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Post by tim on Feb 7, 2014 0:37:08 GMT -5
Sigh. Lady A is so frustrating lately. They move on to new albums so quickly it seems. "And The Radio Played" would be a great single, sure, but they should've kept that for a new studio album. Because there are still several tracks on the regular edition of Golden that would all be great for radio, namely "Better Off Now", "Long Teenage Goodbye", and "All For Love". But now it seems that there's very little chance that any of those songs will go out to radio. I do think "And The Radio Played" will be a single but that'll be it for this album. They made a lyric video for it several weeks ago, already. Agreed. I loved "Goodbye Town" and I don't understand the label's overreaction to it's lack of success. As far as "Compass," I have always liked the song since they debuted it at the CMA's, however lately I've been having some issues with it's production. I was listening to it this morning on the way to work and out of nowhere my thought was that this sounds like a song that belongs in a soon to be unreleased commercial for a new smartphone, app, or even one of those long over dramatic pharmaceutical drug commercials. And now I just can't get that thought out of my mind and it's ruining the song for me. For me, I've long been in love with "It Ain't Pretty." Seems like this (with a great accompanying video) would have been a hit back in the late 90's or early 00's, however then is not now. I prefer "Can't Stand the Rain" as a single over "And the Radio Played," but in today's format the latter would perform better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 9:58:39 GMT -5
Didn't Kix return his show to 40 though? Yes, he did. It's been the top 40 again for quite some time now. Personally, I was never a big fan of Golden and I think "Compass" and "And The Radio Played" are miles better than anything on the standard edition of the album. I liked "Downtown" as well, but I feel like everything else on the album is rather boring. I haven't listened to the album in a long time, but that's how I remember it. So I would be more than happy if they send "And The Radio Played" to radio after "Compass" is done and then move on to their next album, which preferably will be Lady Antebellum, Part 2 rather than Need You Now, Golden, or Own The Night. "And The Radio Played" would please me very much as a single as well. However, Golden is my favorite album from them next to their debut, and the 2 are very, very close in quality, at least in my opinion. And when Golden came out I just got so excited at the possible singles. I absolutely love both "Downtown" and "Goodbye Town", but there are so many other great songs as well. I think the lyrics and arrangements/production on the songs from Golden are way, way better than the 2 previous albums. "Nothin' Like The First Time" is a really sweet ballad with vivid lyrics. "Better Off Now" was a great obscure track to cut and put on an album. The lyrics, the energy, and the harmonica are all really awesome in that one. "It Ain't Pretty" is strikingly good with regards to both lyrics and production. "Can't Stand The Rain" is another really good one. "Golden" is an absolutely beautiful ballad. They trade verses very well on the power ballad "All For Love", and "Long Teenage Goodbye" has that sweet nostalgic feeling to it that they often do quite well. And "Better Man" is a nice song with a bit more of a traditional flare to it. All in all, top to bottom, Golden is a very strong and consistent album. The only song I skip is "Generation Away". I really enjoy "Compass" and especially "And The Radio Played" (it might be the best song they've ever done, and it gives me chills), but I'm just really sad that tunes like "Better Off Now" and "All For Love", among others, will not be radio singles because Lady A decided to move on to new music quite quickly. I'm not complaining about the new music, because again, I do like the deluxe-only tracks an awful lot...but it's just a shame that only 2 songs from the standard version wound up as singles. I think there's almost no chance that any of the other 10 original tracks will get sent out to radio.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Feb 7, 2014 10:54:41 GMT -5
Aw, crap. I really wanted to see "Get to Me", "Nothin' Like the First Time", "Better Off Now", "It Ain't Pretty" or the title track as singles eventually. I like "Compass" well enough, but it's starting to turn into a guilty pleasure for me for some odd reason. After thinking this through a bit, I love Lady Antebellum, but am starting to get very irritated with how quickly their label/management is making them move on to new music; I know they're just working on a new album and not necessarily recording one, but I really wish the label...and perhaps even the trio...would just slow down. They just re-released Golden as a deluxe package and was rather anticipating two more singles from the standard edition for the rest of this year. I know the group get tired with an era/album as time goes on, but I can't help but feel that they'll run themselves into the ground if they're not careful.
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Post by rsmatto on Feb 7, 2014 15:36:06 GMT -5
After "And The Radio Played" they're likely to move onto a new record for release this fall.
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Post by #brayden on Feb 7, 2014 19:56:08 GMT -5
"All For Love" is overrated. I personally think "Golden" would be a better single choice, but it doesn't seem likely that either will ever see release.
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