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Post by Rocky on May 2, 2014 8:08:40 GMT -5
I feel like - despite many of you refusing to believe -, that she doesn't care that much. Okay she does care a bit, has to sell something, but she achieved literally everything in 4 years, got almost every award she could get as a singer (she could get an Oscar for best original song maybe) and has no goals. Yeah hate that it turned out this way, and it's great to see that people seem to connect your favorite artist and her music, but I'll be happy as long as she keeps performing and putting out music regardless of how it performs.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 2, 2014 8:28:47 GMT -5
That's the thing with Gaga, she had nowhere to go but down, and because of the way pop is right now, even minor dips in performance are suddenly THE END OF HER CAREER. There are thousands of singers who would kill to have the success she has had with ArtPop, including some well established and successful artists.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 9:20:32 GMT -5
The difference here is that aside from Kelly and Pink on your list, the others didn't decline as sharply as Gaga has on all levels, and so early in their career. And Kelly and Pink blatantly made projects that were meant to be less commercial on all levels, Gaga still wanted Pop success. I disagree about Kelly and Pink. I don't think their flopped cds were "meant to be less commercial on all levels" and I don't think either of them DIDN'T want pop success. (just to clarify I only clipped your post for the sake of keeping my own post from seeming so long even longer) I would disagree that there are that many similarities between MD and Artpop. The thing with MD is that Kelly personally felt it was a commercial enough album, but Clive did not. Kelly knew this and had multiple opportunities to cave in, but pushed for MD to be released as it was anyway. It wasn't so much that she purposely put out 'less' commercial music, as she purposely sacrificed putting out what Clive thought was commercial music so that he'd promote the damn thing instead of sabotaging it b/c she was insistent that it be the album she wanted it to be. As to not choosing better singles, well Clive had the second single blackballed and I suspect may have had something to do with NA suddenly nosediving a few weeks into its run, and I get the sense that would have happened regardless of what was chosen. tl;dr Kelly picked her bed and had to sleep in it, for reasons that went beyond the music itself, but she knew what she was doing and I don't pity or judge her for her decision. It was what it was. I can't really speak for P!nk and the Try This era, as it seems there wasn't really an issue of a bad rift with her label but she just tried to take the pop-rock thing a little bit further and it didn't work out as well. If I'm not mistaken she still got a Grammy win out of that era. The issue I take with Gaga is that if she is in a similar situation as Kelly's where she is butting heads with her label heads and choosing the 'art' over the commercial value, it's a pretty well-hidden rift. The singles have been promoted and pushed, received videos, etc., i.e. I do not get the sense of someone whose label doesn't want to support her. It's like she wants to be seen as artistic AND she wants to also be commercially successful with it...and I'm not saying she can't have both but her idea of art is not that commercial (yet) and I can't tell if she gets that. This also isn't like P!nk because P!nk's venture into 'experimentation' was one album only,while Gaga was already trying to do that with BTW with sort of mixed results (though that era did well overall). Instead of going back to the pure poppiness of TF/M or attempting to strike a balance, she seemed to double down on the artsiness here. The other big difference between Gaga and Kelly/Pink is that Gaga is now on her third (or fourth, depending on how you view Monster) era and her career in its aggregate is on a distinct downward slope. There's no plateau or point where she came back up before falling back down again. For Kelly and P!nk, their 'off' eras were just a little dip before eventually bouncing back. Gaga already had been given a bit of a mulligan for BTW so are we really supposed to treat this as just one off era? The fact that she is steadily decreasing...like, when is she finally going to plateau? Without any hard evidence that she can bounce back or at least stop the bleeding, it's becoming increasingly hard to imagine that she ever will. So that is the real issue, this era in isolation is not as bad as people make it out to be but we're looking at her career as a whole and in that sense, it's not like any of the other successful divas. If there is any note to take from Kelly and P!nk I think it is to either go back to being 'commercial' as measured by label and public expectations (P!nk), or to temper her own expectations but at least compromise a bit when it comes to single choices to maintain some relevancy, and do some side projects to keep herself and her core fans happy (Kelly). Now all that said I actually just listened to the album in full a month or so ago. I need to give it another full run through before I fully commit to my initial opinion on it, but it struck me as a fully realized concept, albeit not a very radio-friendly one. Given that, the single choices could have been better but aren't entirely off. I think the order is the problem in fact; DWUW->G.U.Y.->Applause would have worked better, maybe.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 2, 2014 9:48:18 GMT -5
We can hypothesize endlessly on the reasons for Gaga's career decline, but the raw truth is that the GP simply doesn't care anymore.
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Post by jjose712 on May 2, 2014 9:48:37 GMT -5
My december was absolutely less commercial than Kelly's previous works. It was her decision and it didn't work, so she came back with a more commercial album. Pink was absolutely tired of her success, i don't think the album was less commercial, but undoubtly it didn't connect with the audience. She didn't care, but it almost cost her career, because they following album was almost a flop saving by a song that was bound to flop and then she even get a number one with a song that didn't reached top 40 on the first release.
ARtpop as album is not a flop, it sold well, but very far from her previous efforts. The problem is that everything Gaga does is so over the top that if an album is not an instant smash it seems that is underperforming. The fact that it was released almost at the same time that Katy, makes comparisions inevitable. Katy is not getting a Teenage dream era, but she is selling more and having more success so that makes Gaga look bad in comparision.
In my opinion she needs to reinvent herself. If i was her i will do an unplugged album. She has talent and voice, so if you fail you take a risk, and if you succeed you are opening a new tendency in music. Maybe it's time to brunette Gaga to return and get some limelight
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Post by Rocky on May 2, 2014 9:56:58 GMT -5
In my opinion she needs to reinvent herself. If i was her i will do an unplugged album. She has talent and voice, so if you fail you take a risk, and if you succeed you are opening a new tendency in music. Maybe it's time to brunette Gaga to return and get some limelight That's something they would try next imo.
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Post by lookinghot on May 2, 2014 10:42:07 GMT -5
Is there a radio update? Itunes? Nail in the coffin what's up? Comparing this era to My December at all is ludicrous.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 2, 2014 10:54:42 GMT -5
G.U.Y. was dead on arrival. She needs to end this era, ditch the ART shtick and come back with some great music that will win the public back. Though she's so far into her own deluded bubble that I highly doubt this is possible. Her self-destruction is likely to continue.
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Post by sbk on May 2, 2014 13:04:55 GMT -5
In my opinion she needs to reinvent herself. If i was her i will do an unplugged album. She has talent and voice, so if you fail you take a risk, and if you succeed you are opening a new tendency in music. Maybe it's time to brunette Gaga to return and get some limelight I would LOVE an MTV Unplugged. She should've done one during/after The Fame. I already have the album cover concept in my head, it would be set in like this regal looking room and the focus would be on a big piano in the middle, and around it would be some of her 'iconic' props, The Fame wig, sunglasses, Telephone hat, piss-wig, a disco stick, a nod to her meat dress etc. Imagine an entire album of this :'( So captivating. Dunno where that spark/star power went
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Post by getonthebus on May 2, 2014 14:45:12 GMT -5
Gaga's challenges are unique, but I think the main parallel between this era and My December is the behind-the-scenes/disillusionment of the artist. It wasn't just the disagreement with Clive and the label during My December, but she fired her manager(?) because he only saw her as a way to make money. Sound familiar?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 2, 2014 15:26:37 GMT -5
In regards to Pink and Kelly, both seem to be at a musical standstill and have been for awhile. Pink has mastered her sound and style and it was great but if she does again for her next album I'll be bored and lose interest in her. I've lost interest in Kelly's music long ago. So hopefully Gaga doesn't follow in their footsteps. I can take a "flop" album if it means good music. But I also want something better the Artpop.
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Post by Kii on May 3, 2014 6:15:55 GMT -5
I've seen alot of ads for the video for this on youtube recently.
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Post by chartfreak on May 3, 2014 9:26:12 GMT -5
Debuts at #20 on VH1 countdown.
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Post by adman0468 on May 3, 2014 10:34:02 GMT -5
Any updates from today or yesterday?
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Post by chartfreak on May 3, 2014 10:37:10 GMT -5
Any updates from today or yesterday? POP: 29 29 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1980 1933 47 6.843 +1 Spins +7 Bullet -0.337 Audience LADY GAGA β G.U.Y.: 7.853 (- 0.414)
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Post by adman0468 on May 3, 2014 12:46:46 GMT -5
Any updates from today or yesterday? POP: 29 29 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1980 1933 47 6.843 +1 Spins +7 Bullet -0.337 Audience LADY GAGA β G.U.Y.: 7.853 (- 0.414) Thanks. Looks like it may be peaking.
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Post by josh on May 3, 2014 12:47:39 GMT -5
Big audience lost is, at least in part, due to audience recalibration.
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Post by cumulus on May 3, 2014 13:45:46 GMT -5
I think the main problem with Gaga is that she came out and put herself in the "novelty act" bubble. A dance queen with a big gay following, named LADY GAGA. It doesn't get more novelty than this. But that time period and trend sailed and sank and she was unsuccessfully able to move on from that. In fact, she's still trying to pull the same antics from 5 years ago, and that stuff is no longer in anymore. Her image got tired, and so has the music. She failed to reinvent herself...she just kept pushing herself lower and lower with the same line of work.
In the end maybe she was meant to be nothing more than a "Boy George" or Spice Girls kind of thing. It will be hard for her to strip away from that novelty aspect, especially since her name is LADY GAGA, a stage name that now screams nothing more than nostalgia.
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Post by Hussy on May 3, 2014 17:07:33 GMT -5
I like u, cumulus
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Post by nightshade on May 3, 2014 18:55:30 GMT -5
If she were to come out with a different sound than most are used to hearing from her, I'd love for it to be something like Second Time Around.
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Post by lookinghot on May 3, 2014 21:05:11 GMT -5
If she were to come out with a different sound than most are used to hearing from her, I'd love for it to be something like Second Time Around. Yea thats a good track, she needs to tone down the production and her antics for the next era and she'll be fine. Let the public see the simplistic stripped down gaga behind a piano with some killer material.
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Post by NeRD on May 3, 2014 22:18:30 GMT -5
All of these theories are interesting to say the least.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 4, 2014 5:30:02 GMT -5
29 30 LADY GAGA G.U.Y. 1994 1882 112 7.002
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Post by balletgirlmom on May 4, 2014 10:23:26 GMT -5
I hope G.U.Y. can get enough radio play just to get back ON the Billboard Hot 100. I am really shocked this song is not even on that chart. Ya, it was for a week. I hope radio adds keep coming because this is a truly good song. I love Gaga's music but wish she would stop the costumes in her real non-stage life. I think it hurts her and makes her appear cray-cray. Artists wear costumes on stage in their shows or even videos but in their every day life have their own style. Somehow Gaga is always ON even if she is not working and it is wierd. ArtPop is a good album but sales are sagging. That's why she needs G.U.Y. to do better at radio. I have my fingers crossed.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 4, 2014 10:56:52 GMT -5
All of these theories are interesting to say the least. I can't wait for the era to end so they can stop tbh. Circular discussions since Applause came out. Somehow Gaga is always ON even if she is not working and it is wierd. If you expect her to care about not being weird, you've beyond missed the point and should move on from her now.
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Post by dzjx on May 4, 2014 14:47:48 GMT -5
Oh, I must have looked past this thread before. I had no idea she still did music.... huh, who would have thought it?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 4, 2014 15:13:12 GMT -5
Oh, I must have looked past this thread before. I had no idea she still did music.... huh, who would have thought it? LOL! It's so strange that people who make these comments still exist.
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Post by Hussy on May 4, 2014 16:36:12 GMT -5
Oh, I must have looked past this thread before. I had no idea she still did music.... huh, who would have thought it? If only ...
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Post by bjay on May 4, 2014 19:00:40 GMT -5
I believe the reason this song is flopping is because it sounds like she tried to go back to her "Fame" roots... She sings about "retweeting" for crying out loud! But honestly, it sounds like a B-side to "Poker Face" and this song doesn't have depth. Honestly, the only single-worthy songs were "Applause" and "Do What U Want." I do believe that "Gypsy" is the only other song, besides the previous two, that could actually do something for the album. The thing with Lady Gaga is that when she came on the scene, she was cool/different and RedOne produced most of her music. Then, she became a LGBT icon and decided to release an album that was all about being different, free, and loving yourself, and honestly.. the general public isn't here for that. Think about it, more straight men and women loved Lady Gaga (I'm sure a lot still do) during "The Fame" era because she made fun music that involved everybody; race, gender, orientation, etc.. With "Born This Way" she went totally for the LGBT community and it worked... for that community. It was front loaded by Amazon and pretty much lacked after that. "Artpop" just sounds like scraps left over from previous albums, but honestly, it is my favorite album by her.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on May 4, 2014 19:23:10 GMT -5
I was done with Lady Gaga the moment she started to take herself too seriously tbqh.
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