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Post by Rocky on Oct 23, 2013 13:35:58 GMT -5
It is strange how some artists get more first week sales than others. Like, you can promote the s**t out of someone and hype until you are blue in the face and have all the airplay in the world, but some artists will "only" do 200-300K as a max while others will for some reason pop up to a million or close to it sold. Ultimately, stability counts for a lot though. Rihanna has never had an OMG first week and she has received criticism for it, but stable, consistent sales and hits have left her in a very stable position in the music industry. Katy will be the same. I think it probably comes down to Rihanna and Katy Perry being viewed more as "hit machines" carefully calculated by their labels/management to get that #1 single rather than singers who are generally perceived more as "artists" delivering a complete package (Gaga, Taylor Swift, Adele). This is all true and great. Then why are some those "artist" dragged when their singles do worse than the one's coming from those "hit machines"? Not complaining or anything, just wondering.
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Post by velaxti on Oct 23, 2013 13:53:46 GMT -5
I think most people like Rihanna and Katy Perry, but they don't have that ultra-passionate core fanbase that a lot of rock bands, hip hop stars, country singers, etc. have. Like I don't think there's many people who feel that sense of urgency to get a Rihanna album like people do for, say, Lil Wayne or Taylor Swift. In the world of pop music, I think the artists that could get high first week sales (even without really having any hit singles) are the one with obsessive fans like One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, and so on. Rihanna and Katy are very popular obviously, but they don't have as many fans like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 14:02:51 GMT -5
300K sold by any artist is a achievement let's not get confused. Katy Perry and Rihanna move singles people are more interested in their singles than their albums buts let's not act like their album sales are not good either.
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Post by foxxden on Oct 23, 2013 14:11:42 GMT -5
I think most people like Rihanna and Katy Perry, but they don't have that ultra-passionate core fanbase that a lot of rock bands, hip hop stars, country singers, etc. have. Like I don't think there's many people who feel that sense of urgency to get a Rihanna album like people do for, say, Lil Wayne or Taylor Swift. In the world of pop music, I think the artists that could get high first week sales (even without really having any hit singles) are the one with obsessive fans like One Direction, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, and so on. Rihanna and Katy are very popular obviously, but they don't have as many fans like that. Exactly, there is no real urgency to purchase the whole Katy Perry album when you can just buy the single of the moment on iTunes after Radio has played it for the 1 billionth time.
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Post by musik... on Oct 23, 2013 14:33:57 GMT -5
I posted this a couple of weeks ago under the HITS prediction for Miley's Bangerz. This is my hypothesis:
My theory is that with pop artists, the younger the artist's core fan base, the lower the album's first week sales tend to be. With the exception of One Direction (and maybe a couple of others?), most other similarly pop artists haven't really sold huge sums their first week. Bieber's, Miley's, Rihanna's and Katy's initial sales thus far have been dampened by the fact that their target audience is generationally narrow (16-29). And high publicity tends to only crystallize older people's aversions towards these artists. Taylor Swift, Adele, Justin Timberlake, and Lady Gaga tend to attract consumers across different generations, old and young, and the older buying public tends to have a greater inclination to buy whole albums, as opposed to streaming albums, illegally downloading them, or selectively purchasing individual tracks common among younger people. Feel free to completely disagree with this theory though lol
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2013 14:40:11 GMT -5
Not bad for Katy. She'll sell, I'm sure, better over the long-term than right away, as with Teenage Dream. Plus she leans more towards singles-artist than album-artist, so as long as she has higher than average singles sales, a little lower than average album sales (relative to the success of her singles) is to be expected.
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Post by badrobot on Oct 23, 2013 14:41:34 GMT -5
I think a simpler explanation is "how much of the artist's popularity is due to their persona vs. their music" -- Katy Perry simply doesn't have much of a persona outside of making hit records. A blue wig doesn't quite cut it these days in terms of making yourself stand out as unique. So people buy songs they like but don't rush out to buy an album because there isn't as much personal attachment to the performer.
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Post by grandelf on Oct 23, 2013 15:08:47 GMT -5
I expected Katy to be closer to 400k than 300k but it's still a nice number nonetheless, hope it does trend up.
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Post by Jeice on Oct 23, 2013 15:09:54 GMT -5
Fifth Harmony (Syco/Epic) 30-35k As far as EPs goes, is that passable or career-ending? I mean my EP knowledge is basically limited to Ke$ha's Cannibal that debuted at #15 selling 74,000 [this being after a successful era], and Bruno Mars' digital-only EP I t's Better if You Don't Understand which opened at #99 with it's apparent lifetime sales being 27,000 [this one coming a few months before his first successful era]. So really, I have no idea what to make of those numbers. Can anyone here help me out please?
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Post by Taylor. on Oct 23, 2013 15:17:30 GMT -5
Fifth Harmony (Syco/Epic) 30-35k As far as EPs goes, is that passable or career-ending? I mean my EP knowledge is basically limited to Ke$ha's Cannibal that debuted at #15 selling 74,000 [this being after a successful era], and Bruno Mars' digital-only EP I t's Better if You Don't Understand which opened at #99 with it's apparent lifetime sales being 27,000 [this one coming a few months before his first successful era]. So really, I have no idea what to make of those numbers. Can anyone here help me out please? The Wanted's EP sold 35k in it's first week and that was with a big hit in Glad You Came.
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Post by josh on Oct 23, 2013 15:22:45 GMT -5
Fifth Harmony (Syco/Epic) 30-35k As far as EPs goes, is that passable or career-ending? I mean my EP knowledge is basically limited to Ke$ha's Cannibal that debuted at #15 selling 74,000 [this being after a successful era], and Bruno Mars' digital-only EP I t's Better if You Don't Understand which opened at #99 with it's apparent lifetime sales being 27,000 [this one coming a few months before his first successful era]. So really, I have no idea what to make of those numbers. Can anyone here help me out please? The Fame Monster EP sold 1.5 million. Idk opening sales (plus it's all f**ked up with The Fame being big at the same time so splitting sales), and it's not a typical EP at all haha
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Post by popbox on Oct 23, 2013 15:23:37 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting Katy to be able to crack 250k opening week given her sales history, so anything over that is great for her. Unfortunately this album will not spawn 6 mega hits like TD so long term sales are very up in the air right now.
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Post by NeRD on Oct 23, 2013 15:25:07 GMT -5
I thought she would do 350-400k with the hype from TD alone. Not to mention how massive Roar is right now. Hopefully she can manage to crack 300k at least.
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Post by Rocky on Oct 23, 2013 15:32:05 GMT -5
I thought she would do 350-400k with the hype from TD alone. Not to mention how massive Roar is right now. Hopefully she can manage to crack 300k at least. Me too. It will for sure go over 300k, pretty damn good for her and for anyone.
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Post by Jeice on Oct 23, 2013 15:36:29 GMT -5
@ Taylor., thanks for that info! It definitely helps me to form an opinion.
@ Do What U Want, lol, Mother Monster did not play around!
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 23, 2013 16:19:08 GMT -5
HITS has updated Katy's figures: www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgiYOUR NEW RELEASES: Katy Perry’s PRISM will bow at #1 next week, selling about 100k more than Teenage Dream did when it debuted in August 2010. Here are this week's key debuts: Katy Perry (Capitol) 275-300k Fifth Harmony (Syco/Epic) 30-35k AFI (Republic) 25-30k DJ Khaled (Cash Money/Republic) 19-23k Tori Kelly (Capitol) 14-17k (10/23p)
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Post by Mack on Oct 23, 2013 17:15:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately this album will not spawn 6 mega hits like TD so long term sales are very up in the air right now. Lol. Keep dreaming.
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Post by Push The Button on Oct 23, 2013 17:17:10 GMT -5
Billboard is saying "might sell 275k." Katy Perry is on course for her second No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart, as her latest release, "Prism," should easily top the tally next week with her best sales week ever. Industry sources suggest Perry's third album, which was released on Tuesday, Oct. 23, might sell around 275,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, Oct. 27. If she starts with that sum, she'll also log the largest sales week this year for a woman. It would surpass the arrival of Miley Cyrus' "Bangerz," which debuted with 270,000 at No. 1 a week ago, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, Oct. 30. Perry's new album is led by the No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 single "Roar," which spent two weeks atop the list and has sold 3.24 million downloads. The song is currently the second-biggest song on U.S. airwaves, slipping from No. 1 to No. 2 on this week's Radio Songs chart. (Lorde's "Royals" bumps "Roar" from No. 1.) Perry's last album, 2010's "Teenage Dream," debuted at No. 1 with 192,000 sold in its first week (her largest sales week yet). It went on to spend its first 57 weeks lodged in the top 40 of the chart, and has racked up 154 weeks on the tally in total. So far, the album has sold 2.8 million in the U.S. "Teenage Dream" also famously became the first album by a woman to score five No. 1 singles on the Billboard Hot 100 chart: "California Gurls," the title track, "Firework," "E.T." and "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)." www.billboard.com/articles/news/5763264/katy-perrys-prism-set-for-no-1-debut-on-billboard-200-chart
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Oct 23, 2013 17:20:06 GMT -5
It does put Bangerz numbers in perspective. So many people wanted to call that a huge flop, a disappointment, underwhelming, but it is basically doing the same numbers with tons upon tons less airplay and coming off a flop cd that happened years ago and trying to introduce a totally new persona to the musical world. I think Bangerz did quite respectably. Of course, who knows long-term. I don't quite hear as many hits in Bangerz as other people do.
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Post by rosemoor on Oct 23, 2013 17:31:00 GMT -5
ngl, I expected more for katy seeing that her promotional singles are selling so well. oh well, first week sales won't matter much anyway.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Oct 23, 2013 17:35:13 GMT -5
As far as EPs goes, is that passable or career-ending? I mean my EP knowledge is basically limited to Ke$ha's Cannibal that debuted at #15 selling 74,000 [this being after a successful era], and Bruno Mars' digital-only EP I t's Better if You Don't Understand which opened at #99 with it's apparent lifetime sales being 27,000 [this one coming a few months before his first successful era]. So really, I have no idea what to make of those numbers. Can anyone here help me out please? The Wanted's EP sold 35k in it's first week and that was with a big hit in Glad You Came. There was absolutely no promo for The Wanted's EP though, unless it being in the Sunday circulars for Target the week it was released counts as such. The general public didn't know it was out.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 23, 2013 18:11:07 GMT -5
Billboard is always very conservative with their first week estimates.
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Post by foxxden on Oct 23, 2013 21:11:14 GMT -5
If Prism opens at 275k like Billboard predicts it will have only outsold Bangerz by less than 2% with so much more airplay lmao.
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Post by Oprah on Oct 23, 2013 21:20:18 GMT -5
Given the various means people have to access music today, actual album purchases tend to only be made when a consumer is really captivated by or invested in the artist as an individual rather than a single or two they put out. If, in this particular case, people like Roar and have liked some of Katy's previous singles but don't give a fuck about her as an artist or celebrity, they're not going to fork over money for the entire album when they can just stream it on spotify and maybe buy another track or two they like on iTunes. Katy Perry herself is at best boring and at worst vapid; no one is exactly enthralled by her performances or talent. She is essentially just a pretty face to serve as the medium through which Dr. Luke & the like get their material out to the GP for consumption, and that's fine, but it doesn't build a star or generate album sales.
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Post by ILLUSION on Oct 23, 2013 21:25:01 GMT -5
If Prism opens at 275k like Billboard predicts it will have only outsold Bangerz by less than 2% with so much more airplay lmao. Yes, this pretty much. Especially after how massive TD was and how popular Roar is, I was honestly expecting this to move at least 350-400k first week.
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Post by badrobot on Oct 23, 2013 21:33:00 GMT -5
The Wanted's EP sold 35k in it's first week and that was with a big hit in Glad You Came. There was absolutely no promo for The Wanted's EP though, unless it being in the Sunday circulars for Target the week it was released counts as such. The general public didn't know it was out. Do I count as the General Public? Because I've never even heard of Fifth Harmony until this thread (and still have no idea what they are or what they sound like), whereas I was very familiar with "Glad You Came" when it was a hit. So... my impression would be this group (?) is doing quite well?
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Oct 23, 2013 22:01:28 GMT -5
There was absolutely no promo for The Wanted's EP though, unless it being in the Sunday circulars for Target the week it was released counts as such. The general public didn't know it was out. Do I count as the General Public? Because I've never even heard of Fifth Harmony until this thread (and still have no idea what they are or what they sound like), whereas I was very familiar with "Glad You Came" when it was a hit. So... my impression would be this group (?) is doing quite well? There will always be people who don't know about a certain song or album/EP being out. I think of the general public as people who don't visit music forums, messageboards, music blogs, etc. "Glad You Came" had really good radio airplay and its digital sales at the time were fairly strong (I'll ask in the Hot 100 thread for the estimated total sales to date for the current numbers). Other than a few appearances before, during, and after the song's release, and for the followup single, there was next to zero promo for the EP.
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Post by pnobelysk on Oct 23, 2013 22:18:18 GMT -5
There was absolutely no promo for The Wanted's EP though, unless it being in the Sunday circulars for Target the week it was released counts as such. The general public didn't know it was out. Do I count as the General Public? Because I've never even heard of Fifth Harmony until this thread (and still have no idea what they are or what they sound like), whereas I was very familiar with "Glad You Came" when it was a hit. So... my impression would be this group (?) is doing quite well? Finished 3rd X factor season 2 Single miss movin on made it to 25 on the pop chart s
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Post by upsidedown on Oct 23, 2013 23:04:34 GMT -5
I just think it's funny that when Miley or Katy open with 270k its a "great" number but if someone like Gaga or Britney opens to that its a complete utter failure
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 24, 2013 1:52:30 GMT -5
I think a simpler explanation is "how much of the artist's popularity is due to their persona vs. their music" -- Katy Perry simply doesn't have much of a persona outside of making hit records. A blue wig doesn't quite cut it these days in terms of making yourself stand out as unique. So people buy songs they like but don't rush out to buy an album because there isn't as much personal attachment to the performer. This is so true. Personally, I don't care about HER at all but she keeps on singing damn good pop tunes. I have never bought a Katy Perry or Rihanna album.
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