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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:30:03 GMT -5
Two or three dancers =/= "a bunch of people," as Taylor stated. She also said 'tried' so I presume that the other person's efforts at least partially failed. The chick isn't that daft, and in fact dancers go from artist to artist all the time. So that isn't even anything to be fussed about. She was probably talking more about tech people, promoters, and/or others who actually help put the tour together. (edit: I will say that luring dancers away from an ongoing tour that is not on a break at the time is a bit trife; I'm sure it would be hard to find replacements on short notice. I wasn't clear on whether that was the case here.)
As far as picking sides, I would take someone who might come off as passive aggressive for dropping hints about who she wrote a song about over a person whose passive aggressiveness extends to the point that she will actively sabotage someone else's attempt to make money any day. That's the thing. Mere shade is harmless, but it's not like Katy's own tour or songs are suffering because of Taylor's success so that is just low. Now, if Taylor IS blowing things out of proportion over a couple of dancers then that will come to light soon enough but I'm going to take her comments at face value, and that is why I think she has every right to be pissed. I respect that she admits she isn't a confrontational person, and the fact that she's going to avoid Katy (or whoever this is) b/c of that also indicates to me that she isn't one to waste much of her time being fake with other people either. That doesn't sound p.a. to me at all.
There are receipts for Katy trying to throw shade at other people so her Regina George comment is a bit pot-meets-kettle for my liking. Taylor laid that trap out for her though. Katy can't come out with a direct defense b/c that will basically be admitting that it's her...what is she supposed to say? "OMG, I really don't appreciate Taylor finding a way to throw me under the bus for playing dirty!" "Well why were you playing dirty in the first place Katy? "Oh...ummm..." That's how we know it's probably true, b/c Katy could have shut this down in five seconds with a lighthearted "whoever it was, it wasn't me! #shaggy Move on to the next target, guys!" Now all Katy can do is throw more shade, which just perpetuates how suspect she is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:31:01 GMT -5
Lol, so a couple Katy Perry dancers went back to Katy Perry? I can really see how that would crumble the Swift empire! This girl knows what she's doing. Katy's another middling-performing single from being out of favor, and for a popstar as shrewd, in control and determined as Taylor, I'm sure that just tastes like blood in the water. I do agree with this though. Taylor is cutthroat. She's already established an objectively iconic country career and now she has her sights set on pop. She's legit the only celeb who I think enjoys ALL the aspects of celebrity, by the way. The others always come off as varying degrees of unhappy/empty/extremely insecure/so obsessed with their status that they don't take the time to really enjoy it/just completely over most or all of the bullshit.
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Post by Kinney on Sept 9, 2014 17:45:07 GMT -5
Antigonerising said pretty much what I'm thinking, except the dancer thing is a bit more complicated than just going back to Katy. Apparently they left in between shows in the middle of her tour, and the two guys were her lead dancers? I'm not sure if that's true or not, maybe someone who follows Taylor more closely can confirm/deny this.
I have no doubt Taylor is one of the most keen businesswomen in the music world these days (she definitely takes after Madonna in this respect), there's a reason she's gotten to her level as one of the biggest stars in the world serving as her own manager. But that doesn't really excuse that fact that she was screwed over by Katy, and Taylor is using this to end it once and for all. I don't know about anyone else, but I'll take this Taylor over the shrinking violet any day.
Doesn't hurt that I think Katy is a useless hint.
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Post by dbhmr on Sept 9, 2014 17:53:59 GMT -5
and Taylor is using this to end it once and for all. I don't know about anyone else, but I'll take this Taylor over the shrinking violet any day. Taylor is using this to start shit, not end shit. No one knew this was even a thing before this interview. But yeah, I'll take this Taylor over the aw-shucks facade for sure.
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Post by CammyCan on Sept 9, 2014 18:16:41 GMT -5
Yup, she is definitely starting shit and I wish she wouldn't, but I guess she knows controversy can help start off her first official "pop" era with a bang.
I'm too old to be supporting this sort of behavior, but she's smart enough to know what she's doing so good for her I guess.
If she's going to go this route, at least try and end Katy once and for all. For the love of the world.
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Post by kmbgs on Sept 9, 2014 19:26:01 GMT -5
I certaintly don't favor Taylor over Katy (I lean towards Katy only bc I like her music miles more) but I am GLAD she is throwing down bc this is exactly what we need in the pop world right now. A good old fashioned diva feud. We haven't really seen one of these since the 90s, right? I'd be interested in someone educating us all on the great diva feuds
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Post by Clauss on Sept 9, 2014 19:26:30 GMT -5
If Taylor'd release the song :)
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 9, 2014 19:54:41 GMT -5
I certaintly don't favor Taylor over Katy (I lean towards Katy only bc I like her music miles more) but I am GLAD she is throwing down bc this is exactly what we need in the pop world right now. A good old fashioned diva feud. We haven't really seen one of these since the 90s, right? I'd be interested in someone educating us all on the great diva feuds Exactly. And, it's the perfect "feud" because all the media is throwing in the John Mayer references. Very effective and strategic to get publicity weeks after the single is out and six+ weeks before "1989" is released. The funny thing is that is it's pretty innocuous compared to, say, a manstealer or something involving violence or drugs, etc. Oh and this certainly doesn't hurt Katy either. Watch the spins and sales of TIHWD and Prism start going up. It is important for Taylor not to seem so milquetoast going into this era - even though if the public really paid attention to her lyrics, they'd know she's far from that.
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Post by Keelzit on Sept 9, 2014 20:59:18 GMT -5
I'm on Katy's side despite knowing nothing about what actually happened. There's a reason why the dancers went back to her and she's not the one who brought this up which makes Taylor look like she wants to be seen as the 'victim' before all the details about their feud eventually come to the surface. Either way I'm still super excited about 1989 and to be honest, I believe that this is pure PR from both sides and that the 2 of them are actually making out right now while watching gay porn.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 10, 2014 2:25:59 GMT -5
Sounds like the 3 dancers moving to Katy's tour were just the tip of the iceberg. Those 3 dancers were the 3 that Katy managed to tempt away from Taylor while Taylor was in the middle of her RED tour. If what Taylor said in the RS interview was true, this female pop star ( who I'll assume is Katy Perry) tried to tempt away ALL of Taylor's dancers (plus other essential technical personnel) essentially leaving Taylor stranded mid-tour if Katy had been successful in her efforts. How is this in any way shape or form innocuous or non-malicious on Katy's part?
At best,Katy would be guilty of gross insensitivity or that she has no control/knowledge whatsoever of what her management is doing. At worst, she is guilty of deliberate attempted career sabotage.
But to be honest, this potential developing feud seems like good healthy fun to get both fanbases motivated and keep both ladies in the spotlight. I suspect both girls actually like this brewing media storm as it'll probably only help album/single sales and radio airplay. And at the end of this, neither will be permanently maimed in the court of public opinion. It's not like either party was guilty of spouse-robbing or beating a girlfriend or committing an actual felony.
It's more like a office-room spat between 2 (albeit sexy,smart and very successful)schoolteachers frankly.
This is a win-win-win scenario : the stans of either side will enjoy posting about it, the 2 girls get a lot of free publicity and the disinterested observer get to watch an entertaining proper diva show-down between 2 actual current and relevant superstars.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Sept 10, 2014 4:00:43 GMT -5
"OMG she stole my dancers!"
"OMG she's Regina George!"
Look at you two getting dick-twisted over John Mayer, of all people.
Grow the f**k up, ladies. Or at least feud about something exciting if you're gonna turn it into a public spectacle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 11:56:17 GMT -5
"Shake It Off" has shaken up the download charts 1,200,000 times and counting. :)
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 10, 2014 12:36:41 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's "Bad Blood" Is About Katy Perry, Not Miley CyrusEntertainment Sep. 10, 2014 AT 12:50PM By Allison Takeda You're gonna hear them roar. Ever since Taylor Swift told Rolling Stone that she'd written a song, "Bad Blood," about her rivalry with a fellow female artist, speculation has been rampant about who the artist in question is. Some have mentioned Miley Cyrus as a possibility, but an overwhelming number of fans think the track is a dig at Katy Perry -- and sources tell Us Weekly those fans are right. Perry herself fueled the speculation when she tweeted about an unnamed mean girl on Tuesday, Sept. 9, the day after Rolling Stone's story went live. "Watch out for the Regina George in sheep's clothing..." the "Roar" songstress, 29, wrote, referring to Rachel McAdams' character in Mean Girls. "Katy knows Taylor's song is about her, which is why she tweeted that," one insider tells Us, noting that both stars can be "very competitive." The source adds that the fellow chart-toppers used to be at least amicable, but that a real friendship between them never flourished. Indeed, Swift, 24, told Rolling Stone that she wasn't really sure where she stood with the unnamed girl in "Bad Blood" until pretty recently. "For years, I was never sure if we were friends or not," the "Shake It Off" singer explained. "She would come up to me at awards shows and say something and walk away, and I would think, 'Are we friends, or did she just give me the harshest insult of my life?' [Then last year] she did something so horrible. I was like, 'Oh, we're just straight-up enemies.' And it wasn't even about a guy!" That may not be entirely true. Both stars dated John Mayer, and Swift admitted later in her Rolling Stone interview that there may have been a "personal" element to the conflict. "But I don't think there would be any personal problem if she weren't competitive," she told the mag. The main source of tension, she said, was business. "She basically tried to sabotage an entire arena tour," Swift alleged. "She tried to hire a bunch of people out from under me." Those people, the first source tells Us, were her dancers -- who worked for Perry first. "They were loyal to Katy when it came time to launch the Prism tour," the insider says. "She didn't steal them. Taylor just employed them when they weren't working for Katy." Fans who speculated about Swift's relationship with Cyrus aren't necessarily wrong about them not getting along, but the "Wrecking Ball" singer "didn't steal [Taylor's] tour people," a second source tells Us. "She's not the focus of the song." That said, the source adds, "Miley is competitive with Taylor." (As some fans have noted, Cyrus looked unimpressed during Swift's performance at the VMAs this year.) Read more: www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/taylor-swifts-bad-blood-is-about-katy-perry-not-miley-cyrus-2014109#ixzz3Cw3U9E8JFollow us: @usweekly on Twitter | usweekly on Facebook
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Sept 10, 2014 12:43:20 GMT -5
The Talk - Bad Blood Between Taylor Swift and Katy Perry?
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Post by Eqbk on Sept 10, 2014 14:07:46 GMT -5
The Talk - Bad Blood Between Taylor Swift and Katy Perry? Lol at the audience's over-the-top reaction to every little tidbit. I definitely prefer Taylor as an artist over Katy but I'm not particularly invested on either side in this feud. That said, if this feud can entertain me and give me a good laugh the way that audience did, I certainly won't be complaining.
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Post by Eqbk on Sept 10, 2014 18:57:39 GMT -5
If "Bad Blood" ever becomes a single, please let this be the cover art:
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 10, 2014 19:42:50 GMT -5
I like all this drama from the pop princesses. Giving me Britney and Christina teas all over again. Time for Selena and Ariana to have a bitch fight outside a nightclub soon.
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Post by Clauss on Sept 10, 2014 19:45:43 GMT -5
22 Things you Learn from Hang Out with Taylor"..At one point she's playing some rough demos of a few new songs on her iPhone when she pulls up one co-written with Ryan Tedder. Swift is playing the piano and hits a wrong note when she blurts out, "Fuck!" Blushing, the real-life Swift immediately attempts to cover the speaker on her phone." Piano song "She co-wrote Lena Dunham's future wedding song." Antonoff describes it as having "a very 'Secret Garden' Springsteen vibe." So.. Tay wrote 2 songs for 1989 with Antonoff. One is about Harry, and one is about marriage.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 11, 2014 0:00:39 GMT -5
I don't even think the main fight is about two dancers being taken away by Katy mid-tour. To be honest, I think it probably did start over John Mayer especially if Taylor/Katy were friends or friendly and then Katy dated John after Taylor did. That probably snowballed into the "feud" we have today. But, lord, I can't believe two beautiful, successful adult women would be feuding over someone like John Mayer. I can't see it not being a contributing factor though.
Can't wait for the actual cd though. I bet it is going to have some great songs and ultimately Shake It Off may be seen as one of the weakest.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 11, 2014 0:28:34 GMT -5
I don't even think the main fight is about two dancers being taken away by Katy mid-tour. To be honest, I think it probably did start over John Mayer especially if Taylor/Katy were friends or friendly and then Katy dated John after Taylor did. That probably snowballed into the "feud" we have today. But, lord, I can't believe two beautiful, successful adult women would be feuding over someone like John Mayer. I can't see it not being a contributing factor though. Can't wait for the actual cd though. I bet it is going to have some great songs and ultimately Shake It Off may be seen as one of the weakest. John Mayer just might have the PERFECT dick and stroke game. Hilarious that the guy that created "Daughters" is misogynistic... I want him.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Sept 11, 2014 10:31:23 GMT -5
Personally, i think an artist hires other artist's team is common. Maybe there's bigger problem than 'stealing' behind this feud.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 11, 2014 11:05:44 GMT -5
Personally, i think an artist hires other artist's team is common. Maybe there's bigger problem than 'stealing' behind this feud. Hiring people from somebody while they are in the MIDDLE of their tour is grimy as hell. To put it in perspective, how would you feel if you still had about 20 dates left on your arena tour and I took 4 of your dance captains, a couple of lighting technicians, a few from stage production, oh and your bassist. This is all hypothetical but it's a stab.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 11, 2014 11:13:39 GMT -5
Two of the most attention seeking wh**res in the business want MORE attention. I mean, this story is so laughable. And that Taylor interview in Rolling Stone just shows how caddy and childish this girl is. "For years, I was never sure if we were friends or not," the "Shake It Off" singer explained. "She would come up to me at awards shows and say something and walk away, and I would think, 'Are we friends, or did she just give me the harshest insult of my life?' [Then last year] she did something so horrible. I was like, 'Oh, we're just straight-up enemies.' And it wasn't even about a guy!" She sounds so ridiculous. "Something so horrible?" Really? Gurl, please.
Another thing, wouldn't these dancers be under a contract? This story just seems made up. And seeing that it comes from Taylor and Katy who you just know they loveeeeee attention, it wouldn't surprise me if they did made it up. I can't wait for the next big award show to see them hug it out for the cameras. Barf!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 11, 2014 11:54:58 GMT -5
They would be under contract, but it seems like Katy put up the money to buy out their contracts. Also, not made up-the dancers have been pretty openly talking about this since last year. Well, I guess it could be made up, but that is a LONG time and a LOT of people involved in a fake story especially one that makes some of them look terrible. Or all of them look terrible. I don't think any of them are coming across as mature here. Personally, i think an artist hires other artist's team is common. Maybe there's bigger problem than 'stealing' behind this feud. I do think the bigger problem started before (with John Mayer's apparently ridiculous cleaning up with women) but the bigger issue is buying them out in the middle of a tour. That is a pretty dirty move and I can see why the dancers are scrambling right now to pretend like they were fired instead even though they have told their story before and said the complete opposite. It makes them look pretty unprofessional if they expect to get hired by anyone else other than Katy and it makes Katy look pretty bad for doing it to another artist who is supposedly a friend. These tours are pretty rehearsed down to everyone being on stage doing different stuff at particular times so they probably had to scramble to hire other people or change routines at the last minute to make up for the unexpectedly missing people.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 11, 2014 12:22:00 GMT -5
Personally, i think an artist hires other artist's team is common. Maybe there's bigger problem than 'stealing' behind this feud. Hiring people from somebody while they are in the MIDDLE of their tour is grimy as hell. To put it in perspective, how would you feel if you still had about 20 dates left on your arena tour and I took 4 of your dance captains, a couple of lighting technicians, a few from stage production, oh and your bassist. This is all hypothetical but it's a stab. I completely agree that hiring someone else's crew amidst heavy work conditions to benefit yourself is an extremely low blow, and if that's what ultimately happened in this case, then Katy will look absolutely god-awful in the situation. However, if it does reveal to be true that the dancers signed on with Taylor having knowledge of them leaving once Katy goes back on tour, then this just makes Taylor look extremely bitter. There really is no winner in this battle.
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Post by Clauss on Sept 11, 2014 12:35:46 GMT -5
Here won't be winner, cause Taylor said that the song "Bad Blood" will be general, anyone will be able to relate it. Then it won't be specific about Katy
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Post by Ling-Ling on Sept 11, 2014 14:11:27 GMT -5
This is the most undramatic situation I've ever seen blown out of proportion. If Katy Perry had worked with these people in the past and wanted to use them again and was willing to buy out their contracts... then guess what, that's BUSINESS. It's not dirty, it's not underhanded and it's all legal. And if they were willing to leave, again, that would just be business. These people go where the money is and stuff like this happens all the time. Crew members leave, dancers get replaced, band members have to get replaced and a lot of it is last minute. Taylor's tour wouldn't have fallen apart or been ruined, she probably wouldn't have even noticed.
This is all Taylor trying to hype up the song and the album and get publicity, it's not the first time she's done it. She's a smart cookie and I'm not mad at her. But the ridiculous way people are falling into it (OMG, Katy is so shady and evil!) is what pisses me off.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Sept 11, 2014 14:44:41 GMT -5
It's not just about the dancer transfer thing. She said this girlKatywould approach her, say something "shady", and then walked away.
Dumb, nonetheless. But, very entertaining on Taylor's part. It's different to see touch on something like this.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Sept 11, 2014 15:38:19 GMT -5
It's not just about the dancer transfer thing. She said this girl Katywould approach her, say something "shady", and then walked away. Dumb, nonetheless. But, very entertaining on Taylor's part. It's different to see touch on something like this. Allegedly said something shady. Taylor herself said she couldn't tell if she was being friendly or insulting her. Again, the illusion of drama.
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Post by Clauss on Sept 11, 2014 16:25:35 GMT -5
I think anyone has post this yet. This happened like a week ago, maybe?
I don't know about you, but i think it's better than the VMA's
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