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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2014 13:24:17 GMT -5
What was the other flop? XO went Top 20, DIL smashed across all of her core formats and Partition wasn't even sent to Pop radio, but went #1 on Urban and Top 5(?) on Rhythmic. Where is the flop ??? Girl don't act like pop wouldn't have JUMPED on Partition if it was smashing in sales/streaming (fyi it flopped on both measures). Single Ladies never got an adds date. My point is that it was never sent to Pop, so it's not rational to call it a flop especially if it wasn't formally promoted. I have no idea why people try to bring up Single Ladies in all of this. That was a cultural phenomenon. Most (Urban) songs that crossover need some sort of push. Partition didn't have the "iconic" video, promo by Beyoncé, or a Pop adds date. Not a flop.
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Post by Glove Slap on May 15, 2014 13:24:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure why some people feel like Pop is required to play Beyonce records just because they've done well at other formats and because her album sold/is selling well. That doesn't mean that the people who listen to Pop stations will not have negative feedback to these records.
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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2014 13:26:30 GMT -5
What was the other flop? XO went Top 20, DIL smashed across all of her core formats and Partition wasn't even sent to Pop radio, but went #1 on Urban and Top 5(?) on Rhythmic. Where is the flop ??? Girl don't act like pop wouldn't have JUMPED on Partition if it was smashing in sales/streaming (fyi it flopped on both measures). Single Ladies never got an adds date. The BEYONCE era has been an album sales smash, an urban radio smash, and a pop underperformer/flop: XO flopped at pop DIL underperformed at pop (#13) Partition flopped at pop Pretty Hurts - not looking great The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore. The disconnect here is obviously our definition of a flop which is totally subjective, so yeah, round and round in circles.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 15, 2014 13:28:18 GMT -5
Girl don't act like pop wouldn't have JUMPED on Partition if it was smashing in sales/streaming (fyi it flopped on both measures). Single Ladies never got an adds date. The BEYONCE era has been an album sales smash, an urban radio smash, and a pop underperformer/flop: XO flopped at pop DIL underperformed at pop (#13) Partition flopped at pop Pretty Hurts - not looking great The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore. The disconnect here is obviously our definition of a flop which is totally subjective, so yeah, round and round in circles. This is the CHR/Pop forum, so you should assume all discussions are referring to pop airplay :)
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 15, 2014 13:29:35 GMT -5
Girl don't act like pop wouldn't have JUMPED on Partition if it was smashing in sales/streaming (fyi it flopped on both measures). Single Ladies never got an adds date. The BEYONCE era has been an album sales smash, an urban radio smash, and a pop underperformer/flop: XO flopped at pop DIL underperformed at pop (#13) Partition flopped at pop Pretty Hurts - not looking great The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore. The disconnect here is obviously our definition of a flop which is totally subjective, so yeah, round and round in circles. Of course "flop" is always based on that artist's standards. So considering Beyonce is proclaimed as the biggest pop star in the world, I think a #13 peak for her lead single is quite lackluster.
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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2014 13:34:26 GMT -5
The disconnect here is obviously our definition of a flop which is totally subjective, so yeah, round and round in circles. Of course "flop" is always based on that artist's standards. So considering Beyonce is proclaimed as the biggest pop star in the world, I think a #13 peak for her lead single is quite lackluster. The disconnect here is obviously our definition of a flop which is totally subjective, so yeah, round and round in circles. This is the CHR/Pop forum, so you should assume all discussions are referring to pop airplay :) ...and you are still totally missing the point. And didn't you just say that Beyoncé hasn't been seen as a pop artist since 4? So how is she proclaimed the biggest pop star in the world ??? EDIT: And yes you certainly did.. ;) What was the other flop? XO went Top 20, DIL smashed across all of her core formats and Partition wasn't even sent to Pop radio, but went #1 on Urban and Top 5(?) on Rhythmic. Where is the flop ??? The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore. A confused, contradicting mess...
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 15, 2014 13:39:27 GMT -5
4 didnt have any big pop radio singles either. Run The World peaked at 37, Best Thing I Never Had at 15, Countdown at 36. She has done better on other formats though.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 15, 2014 14:34:27 GMT -5
Of course "flop" is always based on that artist's standards. So considering Beyonce is proclaimed as the biggest pop star in the world, I think a #13 peak for her lead single is quite lackluster. This is the CHR/Pop forum, so you should assume all discussions are referring to pop airplay :) ...and you are still totally missing the point. And didn't you just say that Beyoncé hasn't been seen as a pop artist since 4? So how is she proclaimed the biggest pop star in the world ??? EDIT: And yes you certainly did.. ;) The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore. A confused, contradicting mess... Clearly you view language extremely literally, so I'm going to try to go slowly. There is a difference between being a pop star (a general term for a successful mainstream music artist) and a pop radio artist. Few people would deny that Beyonce is currently one of the biggest, if not the biggest, pop stars in the world right now - in terms of visibility, popularity, cultural impact. But in the US, she is increasingly NOT a pop radio artist. Her last solo top 10 pop hit was Sweet Dreams in 2009.
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Post by Libra on May 15, 2014 16:29:20 GMT -5
There is a difference between being a pop star (a general term for a successful mainstream music artist) and a pop radio artist. Few people would deny that Beyonce is currently one of the biggest, if not the biggest, pop stars in the world right now - in terms of visibility, popularity, cultural impact. But in the US, she is increasingly NOT a pop radio artist. Her last solo top 10 pop hit was Sweet Dreams in 2009. Why not go with musical superstar for the larger-encompassing successful mainstream music artist term? Pop star has an implied tie to pop radio specifically, other formats notwithstanding. I also find the contrast in these two posts, just 20 hours apart, very...interesting: We're judging Beyonce as if she's the same as Katy, which is silly. At this point in her career, Beyonce is simply on another echelon than the other pop girls. She doesn't need to rely on quick lil singles to sell albums, sell out stadiums and further her brand. She is a self-propelling brand, a cultural icon, a social media meme unto herself. She's earned the right to skip the talk show/award show promo circuit that all the basics need to rely on. No one's going to remember that DIL peaked at #13 on pop or that Partition didn't go top 20. Beyonce, like Madonna, is simply bigger than menial chart success. This is shaping up to be another flop. An era that started so promising is now officially underwater. It goes to show that NO ONE can survive without promo - not even the Queen.
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Post by Oprah on May 15, 2014 20:29:08 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore.pop radio is racist Fixed.
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Post by Hussy on May 15, 2014 21:31:04 GMT -5
People what are u talking about ??? this is a perfect Pop SMASH !!!
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Post by lookinghot on May 15, 2014 21:59:06 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been commented on, but how did no one, before release, realize she says "Shine a light on whatever's wors t?" Bringing attention on whatever is flawed I.e. the whole point of pretty hurts. Its like someone is pointing her worse flaws out and shes suffering internally because in fact being pretty hurts. Feel me?
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Post by Live Your Life on May 15, 2014 22:09:02 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been commented on, but how did no one, before release, realize she says "Shine a light on whatever's wors t?" Bringing attention on whatever is flawed I.e. the whole point of pretty hurts. Its like someone is pointing her worse flaws out and shes suffering internally because in fact being pretty hurts. Feel me? Grammatically, it just sounds a little weird to me. If she were going to say "worst," shouldn't a "the" have come before it?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 15, 2014 22:34:00 GMT -5
No. "Shine a light on whatever is worst" is fine grammatically.
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Post by lookinghot on May 16, 2014 6:25:54 GMT -5
She's expressing an action it works. But quick question since when did we care that the pop gorls come grammatically correct?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 16, 2014 7:38:07 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with whether its an action or not lol. Either is correct grammatically.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 16, 2014 8:31:26 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is that since the 4 era Beyonce's core format has been urban/rhythmic - she's not really seen as a pop artist anymore.pop radio is racist Fixed. Possibly the dumbest comment ever. Pop radio plays POP music. Which is why black pop artists like Rihanna and Usher get #1 after #1 on that format. Pop radio does not play R&B and urban music, which is what Beyonce has trended toward in her last two records.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 10:28:14 GMT -5
I really feel like "Mine" should be the next single. I see it following what "Take Care" did.
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Post by Oprah on May 16, 2014 13:11:57 GMT -5
Possibly the dumbest comment ever. Pop radio plays POP music. Which is why black pop artists like Rihanna and Usher get #1 after #1 on that format. Pop radio does not play R&B and urban music, which is what Beyonce has trended toward in her last two records. Oh honey. I'm just going to let my sis @soblu school you on your white privilege since I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to assume you're entirely ignorant since you're repping a white, Australian rapper.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on May 16, 2014 13:13:28 GMT -5
Oh lawd. Please don't bring that mumbo jumbo shit in here.
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Post by allow that on May 16, 2014 13:16:32 GMT -5
Possibly the dumbest comment ever. Pop radio plays POP music. Which is why black pop artists like Rihanna and Usher get #1 after #1 on that format. Pop radio does not play R&B and urban music, which is what Beyonce has trended toward in her last two records. Oh honey. I'm just going to let my sis @soblu school you on your white privilege since I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to assume you're entirely ignorant since you're repping a white, Australian rapper. Right? It's funny how pop radio loves playing Eminem, Mackelsnore, and now Iggy while continuing to ignore rappers from the Urban chart who are every bit as pop friendly.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 16, 2014 14:01:17 GMT -5
This iggystan needs to sit her flop ass down. This song is already a smash tbh. Bey doesn't *need* pop radio to decide for her or us whether she's a hit or not.
Can we *please* move on from this pointless discussion now?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on May 16, 2014 14:08:24 GMT -5
Yall are going in right now. Remember, Pretty Hurts, you guys.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 16, 2014 14:22:45 GMT -5
Possibly the dumbest comment ever. Pop radio plays POP music. Which is why black pop artists like Rihanna and Usher get #1 after #1 on that format. Pop radio does not play R&B and urban music, which is what Beyonce has trended toward in her last two records. Oh honey. I'm just going to let my sis @soblu school you on your white privilege since I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to assume you're entirely ignorant since you're repping a white, Australian rapper. Excuse me? The only racism I see is coming from you. You assume I'm white. You assume anyone who listens to a white rapper is ignorant. Disgusting sentiments. I listen to artists of every color. You say you don't know where to begin? Start with examining your troubling feelings on race.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 16, 2014 14:28:04 GMT -5
Oh honey. I'm just going to let my sis @soblu school you on your white privilege since I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to assume you're entirely ignorant since you're repping a white, Australian rapper. Right? It's funny how pop radio loves playing Eminem, Mackelsnore, and now Iggy while continuing to ignore rappers from the Urban chart who are every bit as pop friendly. There's also the fact that for the most part what they're making is pop rap, intended to be commercially consumed by a broad audience. Eminem less so, but he's only huge on pop when he has Rihanna singing his hooks.
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Post by allow that on May 16, 2014 15:06:33 GMT -5
Right? It's funny how pop radio loves playing Eminem, Mackelsnore, and now Iggy while continuing to ignore rappers from the Urban chart who are every bit as pop friendly. There's also the fact that for the most part what they're making is pop rap, intended to be commercially consumed by a broad audience. Eminem less so, but he's only huge on pop when he has Rihanna singing his hooks. Yes and no. I do see your point about them being "pop" rappers but still- it doesn't take an activist to notice that pop radio has been embracing one white rapper after the next over the past few years, which would be absolutely fine, except not one black rapper has broken through in this time (Jay-Z is a superstar and STILL needed JT; Drake needed to SING to get a pop hit) despite rap music being culturally and historically a black art form. When it comes to SINGERS I can't say pop radio is racist (Beyonce is an anomaly and a strange one at that), but when it comes to rappers things are almost certainly fishy. It's like being white is a prerequisite to have "pop cred" if you want to rap your way into the top 10 here.
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Post by #LisaRinna on May 16, 2014 15:11:29 GMT -5
She's expressing an action it works. But quick question since when did we care that the pop gorls come grammatically correct? Nobody would care if it was one of the Pop gerls, but since it's Beysus everyone got an opinion.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 16, 2014 15:42:23 GMT -5
There's also the fact that for the most part what they're making is pop rap, intended to be commercially consumed by a broad audience. Eminem less so, but he's only huge on pop when he has Rihanna singing his hooks. Yes and no. I do see your point about them being "pop" rappers but still- it doesn't take an activist to notice that pop radio has been embracing one white rapper after the next over the past few years, which would be absolutely fine, except not one black rapper has broken through in this time (Jay-Z is a superstar and STILL needed JT; Drake needed to SING to get a pop hit) despite rap music being culturally and historically a black art form. When it comes to SINGERS I can't say pop radio is racist (Beyonce is an anomaly and a strange one at that), but when it comes to rappers things are almost certainly fishy. It's like being white is a prerequisite to have "pop cred" if you want to rap your way into the top 10 here. Can you please list for me all the white pop artists who have crossed over to urban radio and gotten major airplay there?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on May 16, 2014 15:59:35 GMT -5
Didn't Lorde and Katy cross over to Urban? Not sure, I just want to know.
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Post by lookinghot on May 16, 2014 16:01:37 GMT -5
She's expressing an action it works. But quick question since when did we care that the pop gorls come grammatically correct? Nobody would care if it was one of the Pop gerls, but since it's Beysus everyone got an opinion. Exactly all the other gerls get away with grammatical errors on the regular and aren't questioned.
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