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Post by Hussy on May 16, 2014 17:35:08 GMT -5
LMAO at all the grammar discussions
anyway, any radio update for this ?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 16, 2014 19:37:41 GMT -5
I don't know if I would say pop radio is necessarily racist. I think they just respond to their audience and give, more or less, what they think their audiences want. I think, if this is a discussion about racism, it's part of a much larger scope than simply pop radio.
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Post by Libra on May 16, 2014 19:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by Oprah on May 16, 2014 20:38:42 GMT -5
Oh honey. I'm just going to let my sis @soblu school you on your white privilege since I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to assume you're entirely ignorant since you're repping a white, Australian rapper. Excuse me? The only racism I see is coming from you. You assume I'm white. You assume anyone who listens to a white rapper is ignorant. Disgusting sentiments. I listen to artists of every color. You say you don't know where to begin? Start with examining your troubling feelings on race. Wow, you are so right. I'm going to go re-examine my life now.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 20:53:22 GMT -5
Didn't Lorde and Katy cross over to Urban? Not sure, I just want to know. Gwen Stefani had a few hits there as well.
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 16, 2014 22:01:53 GMT -5
If there's a radio format that's "racist", it is certainly urban. Receipts don't lie.
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Post by NeRD on May 16, 2014 22:04:27 GMT -5
The ignorance...
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 16, 2014 22:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 16, 2014 22:14:44 GMT -5
Sweet jesus
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Post by #LisaRinna on May 17, 2014 7:27:52 GMT -5
If there's a radio format that's "racist", it is certainly urban. Receipts don't lie. Robin Thicke, George Michael, Lorde, Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake, etc called and they are all cackling at you.
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Post by lookinghot on May 17, 2014 8:30:01 GMT -5
If there's a radio format that's "racist", it is certainly urban. Receipts don't lie. Robin Thicke, George Michael, Lorde, Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake, etc called and they are all cackling at you. Plus Gwen as aforementioned. Didn't Christina sneak on there a couple times? Bet Ariana is next.
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Post by allow that on May 17, 2014 8:49:44 GMT -5
Urban radio plays white artists that fit their format. Hell, they're even playing Katy Perry right now and it doesn't get any whiter than that. Pop radio, on the other hand, suggests that rap music doesn't fit their format EXCEPT from white rappers. That would be like if Urban radio played Usher or Rihanna's EDM tracks while ignoring EDM as a whole, except Urban never played songs like "Scream" or "Where Have You Been."
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Post by nick64 on May 17, 2014 9:05:38 GMT -5
Urban radio plays white artists that fit their format. Hell, they're even playing Katy Perry right now and it doesn't get any whiter than that. Pop radio, on the other hand, suggests that rap music doesn't fit their format EXCEPT from white rappers. That would be like if Urban radio played Usher or Rihanna's EDM tracks while ignoring EDM as a whole, except Urban never played songs like "Scream" or "Where Have You Been." Wait, how does pop suggest that? Eminem? His only two Top 10s since 2005 were pop songs with Rihanna choruses. Iggy? "Fancy"'s a monster digital seller, and it has a pop chorus. Plus, Urban's not playing that one, and it certainly could've held its own there. Who else? And it's the same thing with pop. They play black artists that fit their format. ETA: Forgot Macklemore. He raps, but his songs are more pop-leaning than urban-leaning, and it's not like urban played him anyway.
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Post by surfy on May 17, 2014 12:48:22 GMT -5
Pop played Nicki's which were also pop leaning tracks... they will play anything that leans pop! Fancy also leans pop, it's catchy, AND it's a really really big seller on iTunes as of right now. Don't get how any radio genre is racist. They play what their core audience wants about 95% of the time...
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Post by iggyazealiastan on May 17, 2014 13:23:36 GMT -5
Pop played Nicki's which were also pop leaning tracks... they will play anything that leans pop! Fancy also leans pop, it's catchy, AND it's a really really big seller on iTunes as of right now. Don't get how any radio genre is racist. They play what their core audience wants about 95% of the time... Don't bother persuading them with logic. Some people are dead set on viewing everything through a certain lens, and nothing will change that.
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Post by ericcase on May 18, 2014 8:22:34 GMT -5
WOW FORGET all about them wannabe Summer Blockbusters
THIS RIGHT HERE is what NEEDS to be MADE into a FULL FEATURE YESTERDAY!! Who has TIX for this EVENT??
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 18, 2014 10:00:36 GMT -5
If there's a radio format that's "racist", it is certainly urban. Receipts don't lie. Lords just went #1 at Urban a few months ago. Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake have a bunch of top tens there. It's not like there a plethora of non-black artists desperately trying to break through at the format.
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Post by Hussy on May 18, 2014 18:55:27 GMT -5
that movie is real? :O lol i thought it was a total joke
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Post by slayZ on May 18, 2014 19:27:10 GMT -5
If there's a radio format that's "racist", it is certainly urban. Receipts don't lie. Lords just went #1 at Urban a few months ago. Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake have a bunch of top tens there. It's not like there a plethora of non-black artists desperately trying to break through at the format. The fact that you can actually name the people that have made an impact in the urban charts tells you that they're racist enough. It's sort of the same with the BET Awards, but I won't go there... I personally don't think Pop radio is "racist" though. One of the biggest songs of the summer so far is sung by a black guy. John Legend.
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Post by NeRD on May 18, 2014 19:30:51 GMT -5
I hate the way the word racist is so loosely used even today..
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 19:36:05 GMT -5
The fact that you can actually name the people that have made an impact in the urban charts tells you that they're racist enough. It's sort of the same with the BET Awards, but I won't go there... A format that came about to give black artists a place to be heard on the radio can not be "racist" against the white majority. That's not how it works. As the previous poster said, there are not many white R&B acts even sending music to radio. Maybe the lack of white R&B acts says something about the audience for that genre or the type of acts that labels think will be lucrative, but radio is not at fault here. Urban radio can't be accused of suppressing airplay for white acts if there are only a handful of white acts to even market their music to urban audiences.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 18, 2014 21:02:10 GMT -5
Lords just went #1 at Urban a few months ago. Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake have a bunch of top tens there. It's not like there a plethora of non-black artists desperately trying to break through at the format. The fact that you can actually name the people that have made an impact in the urban charts tells you that they're racist enough. It's sort of the same with the BET Awards, but I won't go there... I personally don't think Pop radio is "racist" though. One of the biggest songs of the summer so far is sung by a black guy. John Legend. LOL. If you are going to call BET Awards racist you need to call out the Emmys, Grammys, Oscars, Peoples Choice, etc. Can you name white artists constantly releasing music to urban that aren't getting played?
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Post by Oprah on May 18, 2014 21:38:19 GMT -5
I hate the way the word racist is so loosely used even today.. Preach. The amount of Beckys in this thread who need to check their privilege is reaching critical mass.
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Post by slayZ on May 18, 2014 21:38:48 GMT -5
The fact that you can actually name the people that have made an impact in the urban charts tells you that they're racist enough. It's sort of the same with the BET Awards, but I won't go there... I personally don't think Pop radio is "racist" though. One of the biggest songs of the summer so far is sung by a black guy. John Legend. LOL. If you are going to call BET Awards racist you need to call out the Emmys, Grammys, Oscars, Peoples Choice, etc. Can you name white artists constantly releasing music to urban that aren't getting played? No, I cannot actually. I don't follow the urban charts. But I also *do* think the Oscars are racist. That's kind of a known fact. My point is that I personally don't believe Pop radio will discriminate against you/won't play you because of the color of your skin. Some of the biggest songs of the year so far aren't sung by white people. Let's not forget Pitbull who essentially dominates Pop radio and his first language isn't even english.
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Post by Spidey on May 18, 2014 21:39:30 GMT -5
Didn't Lorde and Katy cross over to Urban? Not sure, I just want to know. "Royals" made it to #1 on Urban and "Dark Horse" is in the Top 10.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 18, 2014 21:49:04 GMT -5
LOL. If you are going to call BET Awards racist you need to call out the Emmys, Grammys, Oscars, Peoples Choice, etc. Can you name white artists constantly releasing music to urban that aren't getting played? No, I cannot actually. I don't follow the urban charts. But I also *do* think the Oscars are racist. That's kind of a known fact. My point is that I personally don't believe Pop radio will discriminate against you/won't play you because of the color of your skin. Some of the biggest songs of the year so far aren't sung by white people. Let's not forget Pitbull who essentially dominates Pop radio and his first language isn't even english. I wasn't saying pop radio was racist I was just disputing the notion that Urban radio discriminates white artists. Nothing about Royals screams Urban to me but it made it to #1. The fact is that there are not many white artists making music for the Urban/Urban A.C. crowd. Robin Thicke has sent song after song in to the top 10 at Urban A.C. The fact that Dark Horse is sitting in the top 10 at Urban makes the argument null and void as she is the furtherst thing from a R&B/ Hip Hop act. She's as bubblegum pop as it gets
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Post by slayZ on May 18, 2014 21:58:11 GMT -5
No, I cannot actually. I don't follow the urban charts. But I also *do* think the Oscars are racist. That's kind of a known fact. My point is that I personally don't believe Pop radio will discriminate against you/won't play you because of the color of your skin. Some of the biggest songs of the year so far aren't sung by white people. Let's not forget Pitbull who essentially dominates Pop radio and his first language isn't even english. I wasn't saying pop radio was racist I was just disputing the notion that Urban radio discriminates white artists. Nothing about Royals screams Urban to me but it made it to #1. The fact is that there are not many white artists making music for the Urban/Urban A.C. crowd. Robin Thicke has sent song after song in to the top 10 at Urban A.C. The fact that Dark Horse is sitting in the top 10 at Urban makes the argument null and void as she is the furtherst thing from a R&B/ Hip Hop act. She's as bubblegum pop as it gets Dark Horse features Juicy J and has a trap beat. It's also the only song from Katy that's ever made any kind of dent on Urban and it's the one territory she's been wanting to conquer for years. Royals also had a remix with Rick Ross serviced to urban radio and they didn't even change the beat for his verse, so it's not like R&B radio is making that big of an effort to put those tracks on rotation, especially when both were pretty immense else where. Just saying.
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Post by Oprah on May 18, 2014 22:02:50 GMT -5
Also, Katy Perry and Lorde are str8 thugs and have, like, mad street cred!!!
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Post by Oprah on May 18, 2014 22:16:08 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Beyonce is currently just about the biggest star in the world and has a ridiculous amount of hype surrounding her personal and professional life. Her new music has done incredibly well commercially and critically and doesn't exactly buck from what's considered mainstream these days. It doesn't take a genius to tell that the fact that pop radio still won't touch her even though just about every factor is lined up right indicates that somethin' in the buttermilk ain't clean.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 18, 2014 22:27:49 GMT -5
Just my two cents: back when I was in radio (WBRU), we were given one day (i.e. Sunday) for "urban" programming called the "360 Degree BLACK Experience in Sound". WBRU is primarily a modern rock/alt station. However, the station is located in Providence, which has a strong Black and Latino community. I can say this much: WBRU would NEVER play Lorde or Katy Perry during 360, no matter what rapper jumped on the remix, on the remix. However, despite the fact that Eminem is hip-hop and is a serious rapper, he was NEVER played on Sunday. I actually fought hard to get him played during 360 programming, but the MD and PD would not have it. I argued that, if you asked Eminem where he belonged, he would say right next to Pharaoh Monch, Busta Rhymes, Missy Elliott, and all the other hip-hop/rap artists of the day, and he would be right. Instead, he was only played M-S during the modern rock/alternative programming, which makes ZERO sense. Of course, Robin Thicke was played frequently on Sundays as part of 360 programming. *shrugs* Radio politics are wonky, at best. If the artist is rap, regardless of what the color, they should be played on a rhythmic/hip-hop station. Likewise if the artist is an R&B one.
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