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Post by shayonce on Apr 25, 2014 15:13:34 GMT -5
She worked with pharrel in 2012. That was before he became hot again.
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Post by popbox on Apr 25, 2014 15:19:04 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful. Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. Mariah's Beautiful > Xtina's. Just sayin.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 25, 2014 15:27:10 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful. Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. Stop hatin boo boo!
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 25, 2014 15:27:26 GMT -5
This argument is absurd. Beyoncé is not faceless and her legacy is in no danger. Crazy In Love, Single Ladies, Irreplaceable, Drunk In Love, Halo are MAJOR hits regardless of their pop radio stats (though all of those were huge pop hits except DIL), not to mention a handful of signature Destiny's Child songs. The album sales on Beyoncé and 4, especially considering the lack of major pop radio support, is fantastic. Beyoncé is above pop radio. I'm not saying it wouldn't help to have more support but she has proved she doesn't need it. And I'm not saying this in the "YAAAS KING BEY IS THE KING AND THE QUEEN, NO ONE COMPARES" way, I'm saying it in the "it's a fact" way.
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 25, 2014 15:31:21 GMT -5
Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. Stop hatin boo boo! I meant in chart performance! You should know me better than that. # >
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Post by shayonce on Apr 25, 2014 15:31:51 GMT -5
as you said beyonce album will be remembered because of the suprise release. People do still talk about it. There're already some artists release their album because of this album. It made huge impact to other artists and lable, industry. So yep. Beyonce album will be remembered.
and you can't compare rihanna album to beyonce one. There's reason why rihanna album isn't selling well when she have multiple 150 airplay hits. And that's the reason people won't talk about her albums but only individual songs..
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 25, 2014 15:45:06 GMT -5
I meant in chart performance! You should know me better than that. # > Well be clear then ;)
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2014 15:46:39 GMT -5
If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. I think it's laughable that your justification for saying she's not the queen is the lack of pop radio support. Radio is passé and Beyonce has realized that. Radio is no longer necessary for establishing careers of pop singers. 20 years from now, Beyonce's album will be remembered more than any of Rihanna's hits beyond 2000s/2010s nostalgia.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 25, 2014 16:20:41 GMT -5
I feel like Beyonce is above groveling for pop radio play at this moment.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2014 17:47:55 GMT -5
Single Ladies got to #1 based on singles sales and the same goes for Irreplaceable. At the time of their release they were strong digital sellers. Pop Radio sells singles. Beyonce sells millions of albums with 0 promo and no hits....If I'm a record company, that's the model of the future if you can have your cake and eat it like Beyonce has been able to do for two albums now. Being successful financially doesn't always mean you've made a big pop culture splash. Yes, "Beyonce" made an impact with its release strategy, but that will quickly be forgotten because there doesn't seem to be longevity this era. Pop icons are mostly remembered for hit single, not for hit albums. So Beyonce is def eating her cake, but it's missing the frosting. 10-20 years from now people remember hits, not albums. People are going to remember Umbrella, Diamonds, We Found Love, Only Girl. No one cares about the affiliated albums. Those are just there to please the die hard fans. "Single Ladies" "Irreplaceable" and "Crazy In Love" are about the only three Beyonce songs that have truly made an impact. I would've liked to see "Drunk in Love" on this list but apparently Beyonce's fans and her team really think people are going to remember her album years from now instead. When you go to sports game, clubs, karaoke bars, etc years down the line from now, Beyonce's 70 minute album is what people will be hearing...right? BEATLES, MICHAEL JACKSON... ask them if the albums don't matter.
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Post by Hussy on Apr 25, 2014 18:12:05 GMT -5
who needs Pop radio support when ur album has exceeded 2 million copies and still selling A LOT?
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 25, 2014 18:42:40 GMT -5
I don't even know why anyone is arguing about Beyonce's place in music. Beyonce>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>basic chick>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rihanna and Katy Perry
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 9:59:16 GMT -5
Did XO do anything? Good song, but iffy choice. It peaked at #16 IIRC. Not surprised it didn't too well. Was a rather weak single with a weak hook/chorus imo. "Drunk In Love" also started gaining well and eventually overtook it and peaked at #12, but by that time it was already falling on other formats/in sales. I think "Pretty Hurts" could go top 10. Doesn't seem to be much competition and it's the strongest song her team's sent to pop so far. You mean to tell me as popular as Drunk In Love was, it peaked at #12? ??? PH seems to be people's least fav. track. Maybe it could pull a Rude Boy and be a surprise #1. I still feel like it's a very safe play. But I don't see any other potential hits on the album.
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 10:18:38 GMT -5
Well yeah she shouldn't even be trying with pop if she doesn't care. But I think it's sad that she doesn't. Her career would be nowhere near as prolific without her pop-star past. She certainly would have never made the widespread cultural impacts she did. It's just old to her, I suppose. Regardless of her having a hit on here or not, she will always make a cultural impact. Sounds like a win-win for her, I guess. No, I just think she's old to the format. I honestly think Beyonce good years are behind her. I think this album did well purely because it was a surprise album with a set of videos, but lets not act like her commercial success wasn't in jeopardy before BEYONCE. 4 was a colossal flop single wise. I mean, she's always been hit or miss on Pop radio, but NO hits on the format and billboard? That had to be a blow to an artist of her caliber. The fact that DIL didn't go top 10 is insane to me. The song was HUGE. It was promoted by so many celebrities even had its own phone cases and t-shirts with its marvelous catch phrase: SURFBOARD. If she couldn't get a hit on pop with that one, I don't see what else could from this album. I'm hopeful though.
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 10:31:19 GMT -5
If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. Nonetheless, this post was a nice laugh. I fail to see what you are trying to convey here. Yes, Beyonce has had a successful era and she previously had other successful eras, but to sit here and give her a title like that is a bit delusional. She's never broken any records, never had strong pop airplay besides 1 or 2 hits off each album and her global success isn't as powerful as say, Rihanna, who by the way, is probably the real queen of Radio. Yes, I went there. Was Rihanna offered the Superbowl Halftime spot? Is she on Time Magazine's Most Influential 100 Most Influential People? Anyways, I would disagree about Rihanna being the queen of radio (just look at Right Now and What Now). The thing about Bey is, she didn't conform to when the dance trend was extremely heavy on pop; hence, they basically ignored her. Regardless of pop airplay she is still getting multiple #1s on her core format (urban) and doing extremely well in streaming and sales. Dismissing all of that because of pop's reluctance to play Her is equally delusIonal. Anyways, I hope that this manages to be a Halo sized hit for her. This song is incredible. I loathe Rihanna, but what's that got to do with Julian's argument? We all know Beyonce is well respected in the industry. But it's no secret that Beyonce's achievements are highly overrated when compared to her peers. I mean, where's her diamond albums, where's her plethora of hits? Rihanna has never boasted about being the queen of anything neither has the general public given her that title. But even Beyonce has self-professed herself as the queen and so has her fans with no tangible proof as to how other than her being the best performer of her generation. But even that hasn't stopped people like Rihanna from outshining her.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2014 10:33:06 GMT -5
The thing with Beyonce is that even before this album, she was known to be fierce and in control. She's been celebrity royalty for a few years now, not to mention her and Jay-Z being *the* celebrity couple. People are interested in her as a person and as a celebrity. She has incredible image control and probably the best image of any pop singer out there right now. She doesn't need hit songs to sell albums. Her name is worth more than any one of her individual hits and it's invaluable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 10:34:57 GMT -5
who needs Pop radio support when ur album has exceeded 2 million copies and still selling A LOT? Well if you want your next album to sell well too... Or if you want to sell 4 million instead of 2.
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Post by surfy on Apr 26, 2014 10:46:26 GMT -5
She consistently sells albums well! And she's proven time and time again that she can come back and still be relevant, and if you haven't noticed, other artists with a career as long as Beyonce don't have near the amount of success she is having today. By this time almost 90% of other artists would be forgotten, just take a look at J-Lo, she has to be on AI to save her career (and it's not doing a very great job at it tbh) Shakira is flopping (surprise... ) I mean Bey is doing extremely great given the circumstances... And RE to noapologist She doesn't need the plethora of hits, she's one of the biggest people in the history of the world. EVER. And she's an icon! She herself doesn't need to rely on pop radio or single hits anymore, she's already had that, and now she realizes it's overrated! No one is saying Rihanna isn't either, but Riri just doesn't have those vocals, so she a basic b**ch tbh... I love her but dang she can't sing good! Anyways, Rihanna is still getting hits by conforming to whatever trend is happening, you could replace her with any other basic b**ch and make the same songs Riri did, and they would still turn out with the same career, there is nothing special about her... But Beyonce is "Irreplacable" when it comes to her career, you couldn't just swap her for another girl and expect it to turn out the way that it did. She has that fire, passion, and charisma of someone who deserves to be an icon, and the world took notice, and of course the rest is history...
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 10:46:30 GMT -5
The thing with Beyonce is that even before this album, she was known to be fierce and in control. She's been celebrity royalty for a few years now, not to mention her and Jay-Z being *the* celebrity couple. People are interested in her as a person and as a celebrity. She has incredible image control and probably the best image of any pop singer out there right now. She doesn't need hit songs to sell albums. Her name is worth more than any one of her individual hits and it's invaluable. What's that got to do with her success compared to her peers, though? We're not denying her mega popularity, but when you put her up against a few of her peers, she is overrated. When people bring up her achievements 30 yrs from now, who's gonna care about all that? Mariah has sold over 200+ million albums, but no one cares. They do regard her 18 #1s time and time again, though. Every diva reaches their peak, ever single one. The age seems to be about 40 Y.O. Beyonce got about another what?! 5 or 6 years? Well, her lack of success at POP radio is already starting to reflect that.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Apr 26, 2014 10:47:58 GMT -5
It's just old to her, I suppose. Regardless of her having a hit on here or not, she will always make a cultural impact. Sounds like a win-win for her, I guess. No, I just think she's old to the format. I honestly think Beyonce good years are behind her. I think this album did well purely because it was a surprise album with a set of videos, but lets not act like her commercial success wasn't in jeopardy before BEYONCE. 4 was a colossal flop single wise. I mean, she's always been hit or miss on Pop radio, but NO hits on the format and billboard? That had to be a blow to an artist of her caliber. The fact that DIL didn't go top 10 is insane to me. The song was HUGE. It was promoted by so many celebrities even had its own phone cases and t-shirts with its marvelous catch phrase: SURFBOARD. If she couldn't get a hit on pop with that one, I don't see what else could from this album. I'm hopeful though. We all know Pop radio (or radio in general) can be ageist. Yes, Bey is getting up there in age. Despite 'DIL' just missing the Top 10, or even w/'RTW' bombing & causing a major malfunction to that era, it's pretty evident that she is still capable of producing Pop hits, especially if the label puts faith in her releases. She has the right tools & knows what to do for those Pop hits. Now I wouldn't go as far as producing multiple, back to back hits, however her name is still big enough to make an impact if that's what they were gearing for. At this point, I think looking for that Pop smash now 2-3 singles later may not fair well b/c it's almost a little too late & the little bit of momentum she garnered from the initial surprise release has fizzled out. Had they stop doing that stupid ass dual lead single shit & just stuck w/'DIL', she wouldn't been searching for that first Top 10 since 'Sweet Dreams'.
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
No, I just think she's old to the format. I honestly think Beyonce good years are behind her. I think this album did well purely because it was a surprise album with a set of videos, but lets not act like her commercial success wasn't in jeopardy before BEYONCE. 4 was a colossal flop single wise. I mean, she's always been hit or miss on Pop radio, but NO hits on the format and billboard? That had to be a blow to an artist of her caliber. The fact that DIL didn't go top 10 is insane to me. The song was HUGE. It was promoted by so many celebrities even had its own phone cases and t-shirts with its marvelous catch phrase: SURFBOARD. If she couldn't get a hit on pop with that one, I don't see what else could from this album. I'm hopeful though. We all know Pop radio (or radio in general) can be ageist. Yes, Bey is getting up there in age. Despite 'DIL' just missing the Top 10, or even w/'RTW' bombing & causing a major malfunction to that era, it's pretty evident that she is still capable of producing Pop hits, especially if the label puts faith in her releases. She has the right tools & knows what to do for those Pop hits. Now I wouldn't go as far as producing multiple, back to back hits, however her name is still big enough to make an impact if that's what they were gearing for. At this point, I think looking for that Pop smash now 2-3 singles later may not fair well b/c it's almost a little too late & the little bit of momentum she garnered from the initial surprise release has fizzled out. Had they stop doing that stupid ass dual lead single s**t & just stuck w/'DIL', she wouldn't been searching for that first Top 10 since 'Sweet Dreams'. But...but... she's Beyonce. She's the queen.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2014 11:01:45 GMT -5
The thing with Beyonce is that even before this album, she was known to be fierce and in control. She's been celebrity royalty for a few years now, not to mention her and Jay-Z being *the* celebrity couple. People are interested in her as a person and as a celebrity. She has incredible image control and probably the best image of any pop singer out there right now. She doesn't need hit songs to sell albums. Her name is worth more than any one of her individual hits and it's invaluable. What's that got to do with her success compared to her peers, though? We're not denying her mega popularity, but when you put her up against a few of her peers, she is overrated. When people bring up her achievements 30 yrs from now, who's gonna care about all that? Mariah has sold over 200+ million albums, but no one cares. They do regard her 18 #1s time and time again, though. Every diva reaches their peak, ever single one. The age seems to be about 40 Y.O. Beyonce got about another what?! 5 or 6 years? Well, her lack of success at POP radio is already starting to reflect that. I'm not really compared her to her peers to make her sound bigger than she is. The way I see it, Beyonce has taken a different approach to success. Where Rihanna and Katy have gone after radio hits, they've achieved hit after hit. Their hits will be remembered and they'll be remembered for being hit makers but Beyonce's approach has been to focus more on her image. Beyonce has the hits and I admit, none of her hits (in my view) really match up to her celebrity so it is odd that she's regarded as important as she is yet the closest she's come to delivering something that could transcend time is Single Ladies. However, the strategy of her Beyonce album is very important and will be important for her in the long run. People are calling it "pulling a Beyonce". When that new Joss Whedon film came out this week without notice, people said he "pulled a Beyonce". Stuff like that isn't as easily measurable the way hit songs can be but they definitely contribute. My point is is that pop radio is only one determinant of success and it's hold on that definition is lessening. Pop stars today don't need pop radio as much as they used to.
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 11:03:01 GMT -5
She consistently sells albums well! And she's proven time and time again that she can come back and still be relevant, and if you haven't noticed, other artists with a career as long as Beyonce don't have near the amount of success she is having today. By this time almost 90% of other artists would be forgotten, just take a look at J-Lo, she has to be on AI to save her career (and it's not doing a very great job at it tbh) Shakira is flopping (surprise... ) I mean Bey is doing extremely great given the circumstances... And RE to noapologist She doesn't need the plethora of hits, she's one of the biggest people in the history of the world. EVER. And she's an icon! She herself doesn't need to rely on pop radio or single hits anymore, she's already had that, and now she realizes it's overrated! No one is saying Rihanna isn't either, but Riri just doesn't have those vocals, so she a basic b**ch tbh... I love her but dang she can't sing good! Anyways, Rihanna is still getting hits by conforming to whatever trend is happening, you could replace her with any other basic b**ch and make the same songs Riri did, and they would still turn out with the same career, there is nothing special about her... But Beyonce is "Irreplacable" when it comes to her career, you couldn't just swap her for another girl and expect it to turn out the way that it did. She has that fire, passion, and charisma of someone who deserves to be an icon, and the world took notice, and of course the rest is history... Yes she sells well, but she doesn't even sell a considerate amount of records to be labeled the queen. What's 2 million copies compared to 10 or 4-5 million her peers have sold? She'll never outsell Mariah, Whitney, and Celine... even Britney when all is said and done. Rihanna may or may not sell 2 million copies in the states, but the fact that she's on par with Bey in W.W.S. is kind of odd for a girl that's not exactly on the queen's level. All stars worth their weight in gold have been around for a considerate amount of years, so what are you getting at exactly? Kind of funny (and very sad) how Rihanna (no talent, sorry) has been around for such a short period of time and have achieved so much. I only think it's going to get easier in the future with all of this chart manipulation going on, which is another factor why it's so hard for queen Bey to go numbero uno on the hot 100.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 26, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -5
Nobody will ever outsell Mariah, Whitney, Celine or Britney if you compare sales periods where record sales were at their absolute peak to sales periods where they're at their lowest.
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Post by no apologist on Apr 26, 2014 11:08:55 GMT -5
Nobody will ever outsell Mariah, Whitney, Celine or Britney if you compare sales periods where record sales were at their absolute peak to sales periods where they're at their lowest. Then what's she doing that makes her the queen if all the others have done what she has done or even better? Lets get back to the topic at hand, I'm starting to tire. I still got <3 for ol' Bey.
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Post by shayonce on Apr 26, 2014 13:11:51 GMT -5
Well... media, entertainment industry, her peers call her that.
The point that people keep saying is there're more areas in the career, not just pop radio hits and mega sales. Big legends in 60's 70's 80's don't have hits/sales like some todays artist. Some of classic song were just top 20 hits . Things like this...
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Apr 26, 2014 13:23:28 GMT -5
We all know Pop radio (or radio in general) can be ageist. Yes, Bey is getting up there in age. Despite 'DIL' just missing the Top 10, or even w/'RTW' bombing & causing a major malfunction to that era, it's pretty evident that she is still capable of producing Pop hits, especially if the label puts faith in her releases. She has the right tools & knows what to do for those Pop hits. Now I wouldn't go as far as producing multiple, back to back hits, however her name is still big enough to make an impact if that's what they were gearing for. At this point, I think looking for that Pop smash now 2-3 singles later may not fair well b/c it's almost a little too late & the little bit of momentum she garnered from the initial surprise release has fizzled out. Had they stop doing that stupid ass dual lead single s**t & just stuck w/'DIL', she wouldn't been searching for that first Top 10 since 'Sweet Dreams'. But...but... she's Beyonce. She's the queen. Lol. Tis is true, but they too run into problems.
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Post by slayZ on Apr 26, 2014 14:01:37 GMT -5
Beyonce don't need no Pop hits.
Her album topped the 2 million mark and she just grossed over $200 million with her tour. She's about to go on ANOTHER tour, this time a stadium one, and she's pretty much the most successful woman in the world right now. Just because her songs aren't hitting #1 on CHR doesn't mean anything.
I'd take this going over this route and continue being the mega icon that she is than her scoring #1's on Pop and fading in just a couple of years like it's happening to some -other- previous Pop darlings.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 26, 2014 16:06:32 GMT -5
I know she's not getting multiple CHR smashes on this album but I'm a little confused as to this argument that Beyonce doesn't have radio hits. Crazy In Love, Irreplaceable and Single Ladies are huge, iconic singles with heavy radio success. Halo, Baby Boy, Naughty Girl and Check on It were all top 2 on CHR. Sweet Dreams, Drunk in Love, Best Thing I Never Had and XO may not have been massive #1 singles but they did make a dent. You can't completely ignore her massive success with Destiny's Child - Say My Name, Jumpin Jumpin, Independent Women, Survivor and Bootylicious. Love on Top, Get Me Bodied and Diva may not have been huge CHR hits but they have stood up against time and are very widely known and liked - Partition can probably be added to that list (as time goes by). Add in Telephone.
And like it has been stated, number of #1 CHR singles does not translate directly to legacy/status/etc. Her awards, critical acclaim, reputation as a performer and singer help solidify her as the one of the most powerful names in the industry.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 26, 2014 23:14:57 GMT -5
The thing with Beyonce is that even before this album, she was known to be fierce and in control. She's been celebrity royalty for a few years now, not to mention her and Jay-Z being *the* celebrity couple. People are interested in her as a person and as a celebrity. She has incredible image control and probably the best image of any pop singer out there right now. She doesn't need hit songs to sell albums. Her name is worth more than any one of her individual hits and it's invaluable. What's that got to do with her success compared to her peers, though? We're not denying her mega popularity, but when you put her up against a few of her peers, she is overrated. When people bring up her achievements 30 yrs from now, who's gonna care about all that? Mariah has sold over 200+ million albums, but no one cares. They do regard her 18 #1s time and time again, though. Every diva reaches their peak, ever single one. The age seems to be about 40 Y.O. Beyonce got about another what?! 5 or 6 years? Well, her lack of success at POP radio is already starting to reflect that. Prince would arguably fall into the same category...but out of the current crop of female artists, who is selling more albums than Beyonce other than Taylor Swift right now? Even Katy Perry sold far less than Bey has and she had two massive #1 singles and hundreds of millions in audience impressions every week. Beyonce is a pop star selling records without a pop hit.
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