Snowbeast
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Post by Snowbeast on Apr 25, 2014 3:13:56 GMT -5
I love how she cut her hair for 3 days and her whole team was like "it's real!!!1 girl never used no extension or wig" and then it was back to her lace-front mane when she realized how imperative a hair flip is. It does f**king hurt to try & achieve pretty hair like Beyonce and when her whole team tellin you it's within reach when its not.
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Post by Queen of Insomnia. on Apr 25, 2014 3:34:57 GMT -5
It's the last reasonable choice for POP, but I hardly see it going further than TOP15 at this point.
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Post by popbox on Apr 25, 2014 6:06:19 GMT -5
I doubt that. CHR is all about hooks, of which even XO's is stronger than this one's. There's nothing wrong with Beyonce going pop, she's been doing it her whole career. The problem is up until 4 she was really good at doing it, and since then she's not. She only does really bland and boring pop songs these days. I almost feel like she's just thrown in the towel to Rihanna on that front, and decided she'll just focus on urban. The songs w/the strongest hooks that should be sent to Pop are ironically the Urban material. I was all for 'Pretty Hurts' months ago, but I am extremely tired of them pushing out the most obvious songs, especially for Pop. It's clear if she wanted to have a smash on Pop, she can do that (look how far 'DIL' gone w/o a push). She knows the fornula to make a Pop hit. It's also known that she truly doesn't care for Pop radio any longer. W/that mentality, what's the purpose of "catering" to Pop if you're half assing it? I'm just venting rn. Annoyed w/this whole era. Well yeah she shouldn't even be trying with pop if she doesn't care. But I think it's sad that she doesn't. Her career would be nowhere near as prolific without her pop-star past. She certainly would have never made the widespread cultural impacts she did.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 25, 2014 6:06:40 GMT -5
The hook on this song is 10x stronger than XO. And while XO is one of my favourites from the album, this song is easily more pop friendly. I don't know what song you're all listening to.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2014 7:10:33 GMT -5
It's not my favorite song on the album by any means, but I would love to see it smash. That is where I stand as far as this goes.
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Post by ddlz on Apr 25, 2014 7:37:10 GMT -5
The hook on this song is 10x stronger than XO. And while XO is one of my favourites from the album, this song is easily more pop friendly. I don't know what song you're all listening to. Took the words right out of my mouth. If they give it some good promo, it will become a hit.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Apr 25, 2014 9:05:21 GMT -5
The songs w/the strongest hooks that should be sent to Pop are ironically the Urban material. I was all for 'Pretty Hurts' months ago, but I am extremely tired of them pushing out the most obvious songs, especially for Pop. It's clear if she wanted to have a smash on Pop, she can do that (look how far 'DIL' gone w/o a push). She knows the fornula to make a Pop hit. It's also known that she truly doesn't care for Pop radio any longer. W/that mentality, what's the purpose of "catering" to Pop if you're half assing it? I'm just venting rn. Annoyed w/this whole era. Well yeah she shouldn't even be trying with pop if she doesn't care. But I think it's sad that she doesn't. Her career would be nowhere near as prolific without her pop-star past. She certainly would have never made the widespread cultural impacts she did. It's just old to her, I suppose. Regardless of her having a hit on here or not, she will always make a cultural impact. Sounds like a win-win for her, I guess.
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Post by lookinghot on Apr 25, 2014 9:17:04 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 25, 2014 9:19:57 GMT -5
I don't get the hate for this song. The lyrics are beautiful, the production is ace, and Beyoncé's delivery is everything! And to top it off, the vid is perfect. The way she sings the bridge...goosebumps: Ain't got no doctor or pill that can take the pain away The pain's inside and nobody frees you from your body It's the soul, it's the soul that needs surgeryyyyy
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 25, 2014 9:20:12 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful. Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former.
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Post by josh on Apr 25, 2014 9:28:06 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful. Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. Literally thought he was talking Mariah at first.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2014 9:32:29 GMT -5
This has the potential to be her Beautiful. Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. lol! ummm yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:46:34 GMT -5
It is one of the worse songs on the album imo And when it comes from Bey singing about pretty hurts...it sounds fake
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Post by Ace on Apr 25, 2014 10:37:19 GMT -5
Or #Beautiful. Hoping for the former. Guess I'm in the minority, but I find XO to be a lot stronger...oh well. I like it, but Sia can do better. Love the harmonies at the end though.
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Post by Live Your Life on Apr 25, 2014 10:57:58 GMT -5
I definitely think she needs a break from the talk-singing, gimmicky tracks like "Drunk in Love" and "Partition," as far as singles are concerned, but I would have gone with something like "Jealous" over this song. Then again, a song like this has more opportunities for promotional tie-ins.
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Post by when the pawn... on Apr 25, 2014 11:30:39 GMT -5
I don't think DIL or Partition are gimmicky.
This is one of my least favorite songs on the album but I guess it'll work for CHR
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Post by getonthebus on Apr 25, 2014 12:59:59 GMT -5
Let's be real, Beyonce does not need Pop Radio. It remains to be seen if Pop Radio needs Beyonce, but I'm willing to bet she wins this in the long run.
She pissed off PDs and the megastations (CC) by not playing by the rules and kissing the rings, but she still outsold every other artist without lifting a finger for promo. The Queen doesn't need to kiss rings to get coin, because she is the Queen.
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Post by cumulus on Apr 25, 2014 13:33:57 GMT -5
Let's be real, Beyonce does not need Pop Radio. It remains to be seen if Pop Radio needs Beyonce, but I'm willing to bet she wins this in the long run. She pissed off PDs and the megastations (CC) by not playing by the rules and kissing the rings, but she still outsold every other artist without lifting a finger for promo. The Queen doesn't need to kiss rings to get coin, because she is the Queen. If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. Nonetheless, this post was a nice laugh. I fail to see what you are trying to convey here. Yes, Beyonce has had a successful era and she previously had other successful eras, but to sit here and give her a title like that is a bit delusional. She's never broken any records, never had strong pop airplay besides 1 or 2 hits off each album and her global success isn't as powerful as say, Rihanna, who by the way, is probably the real queen of Radio. Yes, I went there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 14:10:45 GMT -5
If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. Nonetheless, this post was a nice laugh. I fail to see what you are trying to convey here. Yes, Beyonce has had a successful era and she previously had other successful eras, but to sit here and give her a title like that is a bit delusional. She's never broken any records, never had strong pop airplay besides 1 or 2 hits off each album and her global success isn't as powerful as say, Rihanna, who by the way, is probably the real queen of Radio. Yes, I went there. Was Rihanna offered the Superbowl Halftime spot? Is she on Time Magazine's Most Influential 100 Most Influential People? Anyways, I would disagree about Rihanna being the queen of radio (just look at Right Now and What Now). The thing about Bey is, she didn't conform to when the dance trend was extremely heavy on pop; hence, they basically ignored her. Regardless of pop airplay she is still getting multiple #1s on her core format (urban) and doing extremely well in streaming and sales. Dismissing all of that because of pop's reluctance to play Her is equally delusIonal. Anyways, I hope that this manages to be a Halo sized hit for her. This song is incredible.
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Post by shayonce on Apr 25, 2014 14:12:13 GMT -5
Your post have nothing to do with what he was saying. I guees you just hate people calling beyonce queen.
She maybe don't have many global hit single as rihanna's but she have bigger name globally and much more respected than her. Also Tour , business...
Anyway, as long as she has urban hits she's fine but it would be great to see halo size pop/global hit from her. But where is add date lol they need to hurry up.
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Post by cumulus on Apr 25, 2014 14:23:13 GMT -5
If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. Nonetheless, this post was a nice laugh. I fail to see what you are trying to convey here. Yes, Beyonce has had a successful era and she previously had other successful eras, but to sit here and give her a title like that is a bit delusional. She's never broken any records, never had strong pop airplay besides 1 or 2 hits off each album and her global success isn't as powerful as say, Rihanna, who by the way, is probably the real queen of Radio. Yes, I went there. Was Rihanna offered the Superbowl Halftime spot? Is she on Time Magazine's Most Influential 100 Most Influential People? Anyways, I would disagree about Rihanna being the queen of radio (just look at Right Now and What Now). The thing about Bey is, she didn't conform to when the dance trend was extremely heavy on pop; hence, they basically ignored her. Regardless of pop airplay she is still getting multiple #1s on her core format (urban) and doing extremely well in streaming and sales. Dismissing all of that because of pop's reluctance to play Her is equally delusIonal. Anyways, I hope that this manages to be a Halo sized hit for her. This song is incredible. What kind of irrelevant argument by bringing up the Super Bowl. Rihanna can totally headline a Super Bowl, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it happens the next few years. Of course even Rihanna has had flops on radio but her success on the airwaves is without a doubt twice as much as what Beyonce has done in her career at radio. Rihanna can smash at Pop, Rhythmic, Urban and Hot AC effortlessly. To say Beyonce ignored radio trends is laughable actually. She tried very hard during the "Bday" and "Sasha Fierce" era's to stay with the trends. "Irreplaceable" was a typical stargate production, and she only went to them AFTER they had already scored several hits at top 40. "Halo" was a typical Ryan Tedder production, again, she went to him AFTER he produced several top 40 hits. "Sweet Dreams" was another one that was obviously trying to cater to trends. And now she has A Pharrell produced track on her album because he's the hottest producer of the year. My point is, Beyonce always looks at the charts to see who is hot and asks them to write hits for her. She has never been a trend setter with her music. Rihanna on the other hand has taken a lot more risks with her music. She introduced Calvin Harris to the American market and "Unapologetic" was a total risk that paid off. "Diamonds" was a bold move and it worked. I will say however that "Drunk In Love" was perfect for Beyonce and her brand, and it was a bold move but it paid off. She should keep taking risks like that instead of trying to stay on top of trends, which she's done for her entire career.
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Post by ddlz on Apr 25, 2014 14:28:07 GMT -5
I don't think getonthebus ever implied that Beyonce was ''The Queen of radio''. He simply stated that Beyonce is ''The Queen''. And to hold that title you have to posses something more than faceless radio hits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 14:33:47 GMT -5
To say Beyonce ignored radio trends is laughable actually. She tried very hard during the "Bday" and "Sasha Fierce" era's to stay with the trends. "Irreplaceable" was a typical stargate production, and she only went to them AFTER they had already scored several hits at top 40. "Halo" was a typical Ryan Tedder production, again, she went to him AFTER he produced several top 40 hits. "Sweet Dreams" was another one that was obviously trying to cater to trends. And now she has A Pharrell produced track on her album because he's the hottest producer of the year. My point is, Beyonce always looks at the charts to see who is hot and asks them to write hits for her. She has never been a trend setter with her music. Rihanna on the other hand has taken a lot more risks with her music. She introduced Calvin Harris to the American market and "Unapologetic" was a total rush that paid off. Just sayin. I will say however that "Drunk In Love" was perfect for Beyonce and her brand, and it was a bold move but it paid off. She should keep taking risks like that instead of trying to stay on top of trends, which she's done for her entire career. You completely ignored the 4 Era I see which pretty much dismisses your point since that era was far from chasing any trends. Regarding Bday, I recall people saying that the album was not poppy enough at the time and Irreplaceable was the only song that remotely sounded like anything at the time (her label was actually not dead set on releasing it. Regarding Pharrell, she has worked with him on a few tracks but he isn't the main producer and hasn't had any of the songs he worked on sent to radio. BOOTS (an upcoming producer) is one of the main producers she worked with on the record along with Timbaland. And regarding Rihanna, We Found Love was a defining hit for her but lets not forget the lack of followups that era; and Unapologetic while being a good album wasn't that far off sonically from say Talk That Talk. Anyways, if you want to continue this either PM me or create a thread in the Your Opinion section.
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Post by cumulus on Apr 25, 2014 14:34:57 GMT -5
I don't think getonthebus ever implied that Beyonce was ''The Queen of radio''. He simply stated that Beyonce is ''The Queen''. And to hold that title you have to posses something more than faceless radio hits. Yeah I hardly would call Rihanna's hits "faceless radio hits." She's responsible for more than a handful of some of the biggest global hits of the last decade. It's Beyonce actually, who probably has "faceless" radio hits. She's never been a strong digital seller.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2014 14:40:18 GMT -5
Let's be real, Beyonce does not need Pop Radio. It remains to be seen if Pop Radio needs Beyonce, but I'm willing to bet she wins this in the long run. She pissed off PDs and the megastations (CC) by not playing by the rules and kissing the rings, but she still outsold every other artist without lifting a finger for promo. The Queen doesn't need to kiss rings to get coin, because she is the Queen. If Beyonce was "The Queen," she would be getting pop airplay support like no other. Nonetheless, this post was a nice laugh. I fail to see what you are trying to convey here. Yes, Beyonce has had a successful era and she previously had other successful eras, but to sit here and give her a title like that is a bit delusional. She's never broken any records, never had strong pop airplay besides 1 or 2 hits off each album and her global success isn't as powerful as say, Rihanna, who by the way, is probably the real queen of Radio. Yes, I went there. Actually, she sold better than all the pop tarts out there. So yeah... He is kinda right. The last two albums went platinum without a notable pop hit. This album is double platinum and hasn't generated a single top 10 pop hit. I think she needs them alot less than you realize.
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Post by ddlz on Apr 25, 2014 14:40:49 GMT -5
Stop embarrassing yourself. Stay on topic or exit.
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Post by cumulus on Apr 25, 2014 14:41:20 GMT -5
To say Beyonce ignored radio trends is laughable actually. She tried very hard during the "Bday" and "Sasha Fierce" era's to stay with the trends. "Irreplaceable" was a typical stargate production, and she only went to them AFTER they had already scored several hits at top 40. "Halo" was a typical Ryan Tedder production, again, she went to him AFTER he produced several top 40 hits. "Sweet Dreams" was another one that was obviously trying to cater to trends. And now she has A Pharrell produced track on her album because he's the hottest producer of the year. My point is, Beyonce always looks at the charts to see who is hot and asks them to write hits for her. She has never been a trend setter with her music. Rihanna on the other hand has taken a lot more risks with her music. She introduced Calvin Harris to the American market and "Unapologetic" was a total rush that paid off. Just sayin. I will say however that "Drunk In Love" was perfect for Beyonce and her brand, and it was a bold move but it paid off. She should keep taking risks like that instead of trying to stay on top of trends, which she's done for her entire career. You completely ignored the 4 Era I see which pretty much dismisses your point since that era was far from chasing any trends. Regarding Bday, I recall people saying that the album was not poppy enough at the time and Irreplaceable was the only song that remotely sounded like anything at the time (her label was actually not dead set on releasing it. Regarding Pharrell, she has worked with him on a few tracks but he isn't the main producer and hasn't had any of the songs he worked on sent to radio. BOOTS (an upcoming producer) is one of the main producers she worked with on the record along with Timbaland. And regarding Rihanna, We Found Love was a defining hit for her but lets not forget the lack of followups that era; and Unapologetic while being a good album wasn't that far off sonically from say Talk That Talk. Anyways, if you want to continue this either PM me or create a thread in the Your Opinion section. I was well aware that I skipped over the "4" era. You aren't getting my point. I'm really surprised, and actually happy, that Beyonce stopped following the trends as much as she used to at least. "Drunk In Love" should have been a bigger pop hit and I just don't think the "it's too urban" excuse is cutting it. It should have gone all the way. My point is, she's not a radio queen because radio adapts to change from major artists. They ushered in a new wave of music that was led by Rihanna and Justin Timberlake several times, I don't see why they couldn't do it with Beyonce. It's probably because she's never really had a strong and impacting era at radio. Urban has become her main market by default. If she had it her way, she would be a top 40 queen. It's just that they tried too much and realized there's no point in trying. Even "Bday" had several attempts, including an attempt to cash in on "Hips Don't Lie" with Shakira.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 25, 2014 14:43:16 GMT -5
I don't think getonthebus ever implied that Beyonce was ''The Queen of radio''. He simply stated that Beyonce is ''The Queen''. And to hold that title you have to posses something more than faceless radio hits. Yeah I hardly would call Rihanna's hits "faceless radio hits." She's responsible for more than a handful of some of the biggest global hits of the last decade. It's Beyonce actually, who probably has "faceless" radio hits. She's never been a strong digital seller. Single Ladies got to #1 based on singles sales and the same goes for Irreplaceable. At the time of their release they were strong digital sellers. Pop Radio sells singles. Beyonce sells millions of albums with 0 promo and no hits....If I'm a record company, that's the model of the future if you can have your cake and eat it like Beyonce has been able to do for two albums now.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 25, 2014 14:45:46 GMT -5
I was going to say Beyonce can get a multiplatinum album with half the radio play that her counterparts receive. Let's not forget it takes Rihanna and Katy Perry 5 smash singles to equal in album sales what Beyonce can get with one mega hit. Imagine what could happen if radio actually played Beyonce on the level of her counterparts.
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Post by cumulus on Apr 25, 2014 14:48:48 GMT -5
Yeah I hardly would call Rihanna's hits "faceless radio hits." She's responsible for more than a handful of some of the biggest global hits of the last decade. It's Beyonce actually, who probably has "faceless" radio hits. She's never been a strong digital seller. Single Ladies got to #1 based on singles sales and the same goes for Irreplaceable. At the time of their release they were strong digital sellers. Pop Radio sells singles. Beyonce sells millions of albums with 0 promo and no hits....If I'm a record company, that's the model of the future if you can have your cake and eat it like Beyonce has been able to do for two albums now. Being successful financially doesn't always mean you've made a big pop culture splash. Yes, "Beyonce" made an impact with its release strategy, but that will quickly be forgotten because there doesn't seem to be longevity this era. Pop icons are mostly remembered for hit single, not for hit albums. So Beyonce is def eating her cake, but it's missing the frosting. 10-20 years from now people remember hits, not albums. People are going to remember Umbrella, Diamonds, We Found Love, Only Girl. No one cares about the affiliated albums. Those are just there to please the die hard fans. "Single Ladies" "Irreplaceable" and "Crazy In Love" are about the only three Beyonce songs that have truly made an impact. I would've liked to see "Drunk in Love" on this list but apparently Beyonce's fans and her team really think people are going to remember her album years from now instead. When you go to sports game, clubs, karaoke bars, etc years down the line from now, Beyonce's 70 minute album is what people will be hearing...right?
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