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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:34:30 GMT -5
Ok. My opinion isn't change anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 12:39:02 GMT -5
Ok. My opinion isn't change anytime soon. I don't doubt it lol
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Post by halo19 on May 27, 2014 12:44:04 GMT -5
Anyone else detect reverse racism in this thread? Also said as though she's the first white female to attempt this. Xenophobia when mentioning she's from Oz.
I'd take this seriously if more were directed at the songs.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on May 27, 2014 12:46:52 GMT -5
Just like Monie Love can rap like shes from NY, but shes from London. Oh, sometimes K. can be real ignorant. Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? Because she studied her craft. It's not like she claimed to be African-Amercian or from the Dirty South. Is Kreyshawn mimicing African American venacular, when she is a Caucasian American?
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:49:07 GMT -5
Anyone else detect reverse racism in this thread? Also said as though she's the first white female to attempt this. Xenophobia when mentioning she's from Oz. I'd take this seriously if more were directed at the songs. Reverse racism doesnt exist ma'am/sir. Not once did I say Iggy was less than or didn't deserve to rap because she is white. I said she is using African American vernacular and culture to foster a phony image of herself which is the truth. She isnt what she acts like she is. I have no problem with non blacks rapping and working in Hip Hop so take that on somewhere. Iggy as a white woman will NEVER experience racism.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 12:50:05 GMT -5
Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? Because she studied her craft. It's not like she claimed to be African-Amercian or from the Dirty South. Is Kreyshawn mimicing African American venacular, when she is a Caucasian American? I know nothing of that woman besides the Gucci Gucci song which I heard once so I cant comment on her.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 13:51:39 GMT -5
Kreayshawn, annoying as she may be, actually grew up in Oakland around mostly black people.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 14:30:42 GMT -5
Just like Monie Love can rap like shes from NY, but shes from London. Oh, sometimes K. can be real ignorant. Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? She's never tried to hide her dialect. There's obviously a hip-hop spin put on it, but that's more associated with the genre as apposed to African Americans, who themselves are only associated with the genre because of "sociopolitical norms" or whatever. Additionally, you never did counter his point so much as dismissed it without any explanation. The sampling of dialects for the intents and purposes of an individual's artistry is not exclusive to Iggy Azalea. Is K Michelle exploiting African American markets by adopting a dialect from New York? I understand that you feel Iggy Azalea is appropriating African American culture and that this is the backbone of your argument, but can you (not someone else just yet; I want to hear it from you first) explain to me why this is problematic to African Americans at large instead of asking loaded question? Because this feels like it's less about the perceived cultural appropriation, and more about the fact that you have a problem with a white woman finding success as a rapper. That's not reverse racism per se, but it's very shallow.
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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 14:51:39 GMT -5
Just like Monie Love can rap like shes from NY, but shes from London. Oh, sometimes K. can be real ignorant. Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? Why is she required to do so? Why do you get to make the rules on how Iggy Azalea raps? Why are you so up in her pussy? K. Michelle just sounds mad. But I guess if my biggest hit peaked at #89 I would be mad too.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 15:21:13 GMT -5
Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? Why is she required to do so? Why do you get to make the rules on how Iggy Azalea raps? Why are you so up in her pussy? K. Michelle just sounds mad. But I guess if my biggest hit peaked at #89 I would be mad too. LOL. Like I said she is a phony. Moving on. ...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:26:33 GMT -5
Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? Why is she required to do so? Why do you get to make the rules on how Iggy Azalea raps? Why are you so up in her pussy? K. Michelle just sounds mad. But I guess if my biggest hit peaked at #89 I would be mad too. Who's madder? K Michelle, or thankmelater?
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 15:35:59 GMT -5
Unless K is a Monie Love stan that argument is pretty pointless. It is a valid question. Why does this Australian woman need to mimic African American vernacular when she raps? Why cant she rap in her normal speaking voice? She's never tried to hide her dialect. There's obviously a hip-hop spin put on it, but that's more associated with the genre as apposed to African Americans, who themselves are only associated with the genre because of "sociopolitical norms" or whatever. Additionally, you never did counter his point so much as dismissed it without any explanation. The sampling of dialects for the intents and purposes of an individual's artistry is not exclusive to Iggy Azalea. Is K Michelle exploiting African American markets by adopting a dialect from New York? I understand that you feel Iggy Azalea is appropriating African American culture and that this is the backbone of your argument, but can you (not someone else just yet; I want to hear it from you first) explain to me why this is problematic to African Americans at large instead of asking loaded question? Because this feels like it's less about the perceived cultural appropriation, and more about the fact that you have a problem with a white woman finding success as a rapper. That's not reverse racism per se, but it's very shallow. I am not saying the African American community is struggling or in danger because of this woman. My point is she and a few others basically copy the African American lifestyle for their image and get praised for it. She's not really being who she is. It's mediocrity being praised bexause she is white. I am not trying to come off combative and "racist" it's just what I see. She isnt the first and won't be the last. I dont have a personal problem I just dont like seeing her mimic something she knows nothing about and will never know anything about.
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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 15:50:39 GMT -5
Why is she required to do so? Why do you get to make the rules on how Iggy Azalea raps? Why are you so up in her pussy? K. Michelle just sounds mad. But I guess if my biggest hit peaked at #89 I would be mad too. Who's madder? K Michelle, or thankmelater? I'm guessing K Michelle isn't going to stay on this topic for a week, so I'll go with thankmelater. I did get a laugh out of this tweet though: Also horrified to see that I'm in agreement with Perez Hilton.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 15:54:34 GMT -5
She's never tried to hide her dialect. There's obviously a hip-hop spin put on it, but that's more associated with the genre as apposed to African Americans, who themselves are only associated with the genre because of "sociopolitical norms" or whatever. Additionally, you never did counter his point so much as dismissed it without any explanation. The sampling of dialects for the intents and purposes of an individual's artistry is not exclusive to Iggy Azalea. Is K Michelle exploiting African American markets by adopting a dialect from New York? I understand that you feel Iggy Azalea is appropriating African American culture and that this is the backbone of your argument, but can you (not someone else just yet; I want to hear it from you first) explain to me why this is problematic to African Americans at large instead of asking loaded question? Because this feels like it's less about the perceived cultural appropriation, and more about the fact that you have a problem with a white woman finding success as a rapper. That's not reverse racism per se, but it's very shallow. I am not saying the African American community is struggling or in danger because of this woman. My point is she and a few others basically copy the African American lifestyle for their image and get praised for it. She's not really being who she is. It's mediocrity being praised bexause she is white. I am not trying to come off combative and "racist" it's just what I see. She isnt the first and won't be the last. I dont have a personal problem I just dont like seeing her mimic something she knows nothing about and will never know anything about. I never said you felt that way about African Americans. Anyway, is she getting praised anymore than African Americans doing the same thing? Is she being subject to any less criticism? What does being white have to do with it (aside from white privilege, but that has nothing to do with Iggy herself unless you somehow feel she's abusing it)? Does this thread not highlight the very real fact that she is being subject to criticism? The only reason I take issue with what you're saying is that you seem to think her being a white rapper is akin to her trying to be black, and those two things are not mutually exclusive. Look at Eminem or Pitbull, both of which are, funnily enough, male.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 16:06:43 GMT -5
Pitbull is not white.
Also, I don't get why everyone is constantly doing the absolute MOST to excuse this woman. You cannot justifiably say that her taking on a blaccent is the same as Kim, Monie Love or Kendrick adjusting their speech to sound harder. It's just not the same thing largely because she is white and everyone in this thread sounds ridiculous trying to convince themselves it is. I understand that given her background with TI and Grand Hustle, as well as living in Miami, they clearly influenced her style of rap...but that doesn't excuse her for taking on a style of speech for her rapping when her regular voice is as down under as ever. It's not just about sounding American, or else she would sound like Macklemore or Mac Miller. People are truly discrediting the voices of the black community who are speaking out against a white woman from Australia who is essentially performing vocal blackface and gaining far more success for it than any of her black female rap contemporaries sans Nicki. K. Michelle is absolutely right to call her out on adapting a random southern accent for her rapping and then retreating to her Aussie accent in her day to day. That is pretty much a walking testimony to the concept of white artists using black culture as a party hat. Consider this: if she wasn't rapping and talked that way how do you think she would come off? Her accent just sounds like a white person's parody of what Southern rappers sound like.
She is absolutely getting far more praise and far less critique from white audiences because it is looked at as a novelty. Just like with Macklemore, white teenagers (and gays) are losing their minds hearing some blonde whitey with a fat ass spit out some elementary rhymes just because it's such a jarring image for them.
Do you think if Azealia Banks, Angel Haze or Brianna Perry (an ACTUAL Southern female rapper) put out this song anyone would be listening? Would any of YOU be listening? Like people on this website will do anything they possibly can to vindicate their faves without ever taking into account the voices of the people they are offending.
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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 16:41:26 GMT -5
Pitbull is not white. Also, I don't get why everyone is constantly doing the absolute MOST to excuse this woman. You cannot justifiably say that her taking on a blaccent is the same as Kim, Monie Love or Kendrick adjusting their speech to sound harder. It's just not the same thing largely because she is white and everyone in this thread sounds ridiculous trying to convince themselves it is. I understand that given her background with TI and Grand Hustle, as well as living in Miami, they clearly influenced her style of rap...but that doesn't excuse her for taking on a style of speech for her rapping when her regular voice is as down under as ever. It's not just about sounding American, or else she would sound like Macklemore or Mac Miller. People are truly discrediting the voices of the black community who are speaking out against a white woman from Australia who is essentially performing vocal blackface and gaining far more success for it than any of her black female rap contemporaries sans Nicki. K. Michelle is absolutely right to call her out on adapting a random southern accent for her rapping and then retreating to her Aussie accent in her day to day. That is pretty much a walking testimony to the concept of white artists using black culture as a party hat. Consider this: if she wasn't rapping and talked that way how do you think she would come off? Her accent just sounds like a white person's parody of what Southern rappers sound like. She is absolutely getting far more praise and far less critique from white audiences because it is looked at as a novelty. Just like with Macklemore, white teenagers (and gays) are losing their minds hearing some blonde whitey with a fat ass spit out some elementary rhymes just because it's such a jarring image for them. Do you think if Azealia Banks, Angel Haze or Brianna Perry (an ACTUAL Southern female rapper) put out this song anyone would be listening? Would any of YOU be listening? Like people on this website will do anything they possibly can to vindicate their faves without ever taking into account the voices of the people they are offending. Vocal blackface? Are Azealia Banks, Angel Haze, and Brianna Perry making pop-friendly music? Maybe they would be in Iggy's place if they did. You seriously think "Fancy" is only a hit because Iggy is white? I know people who heard "Fancy" on the radio and thought Iggy was black. Finding out she was white didn't affect their opinion on the song. If Iggy is a novelty, she should be irrelevant soon enough. Time will tell. If one of the artists you listed put out this song, it wouldn't be the same. I might like it, I might not. It would have nothing to do with the color of her skin, though. By the way, Iggy is not one of my "faves". Also, I like how you basically accused the entire board of racism while calling Iggy a "whitey".
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 17:42:50 GMT -5
That was really poor wording on my part, but my point was that being a rapper ≠ being black. Also, I don't get why everyone is constantly doing the absolute MOST to excuse this woman. You cannot justifiably say that her taking on a blaccent is the same as Kim, Monie Love or Kendrick adjusting their speech to sound harder. It's just not the same thing largely because she is white and everyone in this thread sounds ridiculous trying to convince themselves it is. I understand that given her background with TI and Grand Hustle, as well as living in Miami, they clearly influenced her style of rap...but that doesn't excuse her for taking on a style of speech for her rapping when her regular voice is as down under as ever. It's not just about sounding American, or else she would sound like Macklemore or Mac Miller. People are truly discrediting the voices of the black community who are speaking out against a white woman from Australia who is essentially performing vocal blackface and gaining far more success for it than any of her black female rap contemporaries sans Nicki. K. Michelle is absolutely right to call her out on adapting a random southern accent for her rapping and then retreating to her Aussie accent in her day to day. That is pretty much a walking testimony to the concept of white artists using black culture as a party hat. Consider this: if she wasn't rapping and talked that way how do you think she would come off? Her accent just sounds like a white person's parody of what Southern rappers sound like. You make it sound far more contrived than it actually is. Regardless, everything in your post seems to be pointing the finger at her when the real issue (with this take on it) should be with the social stigma. Regardless, if she studied under TI and Grand Hustle, naturally she's going to adopt some of their techniques as any protégé would of the one they're studying under. Are TI and Grand Hustle at fault then for her allegedly problematic tendencies? Where the disconnect for me happens is that, from what I can tell, she is apparently "wrong" for adopting an aspect of another culture that is neither sacred or particularly important to them and finding some success in it-- like, thus far only two hits-- and now they're mad at her for it... why? Iggy Azalea is not the cause of white privilege. Why is she being made a target? What does her rapping in this style take away from African Americans? Like I was saying earlier, there are rappers of other races even though it was an artform that began with African Americans. Is anyone who isn't African American wrong for rapping then, because they're also "using black culture as a party hat"? Are foreigners who take up rapping crossing a line because it's American, and appropriating American culture? Is that wrong? Where do you draw the line? She is absolutely getting far more praise and far less critique from white audiences because it is looked at as a novelty. Just like with Macklemore, white teenagers (and gays) are losing their minds hearing some blonde whitey with a fat ass spit out some elementary rhymes just because it's such a jarring image for them. The exact same thing happened with Nicki Minaj when she broke out, though. You're acting like Iggy was handed her career on a silver platter. Her hustle (as well as Macklemore's) should absolutely not be disregarded. Additionally, what does novelty have to do with the conversation? Nobody said she wasn't a novelty. No more or less than any other entertainer in the industry available for public consumption. If it was so simple a matter as "oh look, a white girl rapping! Edgy!!!" Kreayshawn would be in the studio working on her third album right now. Throwing in Macklemore here is particularly odd, because how would his presence be jarring? Eminem came before him as an accomplished white male rapper. But this isn't about him. Do you think if Azealia Banks, Angel Haze or Brianna Perry (an ACTUAL Southern female rapper) put out this song anyone would be listening? Would any of YOU be listening? Like people on this website will do anything they possibly can to vindicate their faves without ever taking into account the voices of the people they are offending. That's not an issue of race. That's an issue of misogyny in the industry. Also yes, I'd be listening to Azealia Banks and Angel Haze, because I love them both.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on May 27, 2014 17:52:02 GMT -5
The blackface statement is going way too far. Iggy is simply rapping. She is doing what another mainstream female, Nicki Minaj is doing :grinding to the top. Her birth place,skin color, and rap technique really bothers people? She's far different from Nicki, and that's what makes her stand out. Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, she has never claimed to grow up in neighborhoods that were rough, or grew up around black people. But, she has an influence and she never discredited or talked about it in a bad way. She isn't the 1st or last rapper to rap a style, and talk a different way. Like a previous poster said, give it some time, we will see if she's still relevant. It looks like she's hear to stay imo.
EDIT: Now if she walked around saying "Niqqa this and Niqqa that" like a previous white female rapper, I can see that, But she doesn't even go that route.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 21:42:47 GMT -5
The issue obviously does not start and end with Iggy, there is clearly a much bigger problem here but Iggy's success and her style of rap factors into that problem. And to hear people continuously do anything possible to deny that fact, that her blaccent and sudden skyrocketing success is largely tied to the idea that white audiences prefer a white artist "pretending to be black" than an actual black artist, is very off-putting and upsetting to see.
To my understanding, she was already rapping with the fake black accent before TI became involved (was she with Grand Hustle when Pu$$y first came out?) but if they did instruct her to rap like that, they are perpetuating the problem. Just because they're black doesn't mean that they can't contribute to the issue. And I'm not sure whether you are referring to her profiting off of rap music or a stereotypical black accent but to insinuate that both of those things are not special to the African American community suggests ignorance. Rap music is literally birthed from the struggle of being black in America and has traditionally offered a platform for voices that would never be heard otherwise. Similarly, black people are to this day dragged through the mud and dehumanized for AAVE or certain accents that are associated with being black. Example: Beyonce was routinely called out for sounding dumb or uneducated as a result of her speech. White rappers are always going to be outsiders to the community but at the very least they should be mindful not to unnaturally mimic African American speech patterns just to be edgy. While she's not "taking away" anything for black people, it's a fat f**king slap in the face to see someone that looks like Iggy Azalea giving her best Trina impression vocally with absolutely sub-par actual rapping skills and then get articles written about how she's "Queen of Rap" or whatever.
As for turning the black on and off, it's not some complicated murky thing. She shouldn't be adapting a random blaccent for her rapping because it's not genuine and it doesn't sound natural, it sounds like a white person's impression of a black person. There isn't anything wrong with foreigners or non-black people rapping in theory, but it is almost inherently suspect when a white person starts talking like a black person from the hood when they aren't especially since white people have literally demonized actual black people from the hood for...ever?
Also it was not the same story for Nicki Minaj. Not only was her come-up vastly different from Iggy, who even with some label turmoil and album pushbacks was continually handed huge budgets for her music videos and singles, but she got a LOT more criticism from white audiences for the voices, her body shape and her style. Even when she had her best press (from the end of 2010-mid 2011), Nicki was primarily getting attention because of her lyricism. That's what made her stand out and succeed tbh, if her first single was her spitting "Who dat who dat N-I-C-K-I" I doubt she would be where she is today.
The Macklemore reference was with regards to him getting heaps and heaps of praise as though he was the first and only rapper to deliver socially conscious lyrics.
Also props to you for liking both Azealia and Angel, but can you explain how if they made Fancy and released it to meh reception it would be about misogyny and not race?
Tldr: Iggy Azalea is not evil. But she is an average at best rapper who is gaining tremendous attention and buzz due to white privilege and is using a ridiculous stereotypical accent to invade a cultural form which was indirectly the result of oppression from white people.
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Post by Oprah on May 27, 2014 21:48:16 GMT -5
Azealia and Angel probably would be successful if they put out something as pop as Fancy. It certainly worked for Nicki.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 21:54:01 GMT -5
I acknowledged in my post that African Americans did birth hip hop. Don't know where you're coming from. It was actually part of a larger point I was making. Whoops, that's not what you said, sorry. RE: the cultural significance of rap music, that's a valid argument-- although I think the cultural context has changed since hip-hop stopped being about that a long time ago. What I'm still not seeing is how her doing what she's doing is feeding into the problem simply because she's doing it.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Nicki's biggest hit to date a song with the hook "BOOM BA DOOM BOOM BOOM BA DOOM BOOM BASS"?
As for Azealia Banks and Angel Haze, you can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that misogyny is not a very real factor in urban markets (which would be their core format anyway)? Black females in particular are marginalized in this industry and have been for quite some time. If you're talking about pop success, that's a different story; but see my above comment on 'Superbass' and the comment above that for further reading.
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 27, 2014 21:58:22 GMT -5
I can't say that she bothers me too much. I can see why she pisses people off though.
But why hasn't Drake gotten this same criticism?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 22:00:38 GMT -5
I can't say that she bothers me too much. I can see why she pisses people off though. But why hasn't Drake gotten this same criticism? Because he's mixed and, more importantly, a male.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 23:13:36 GMT -5
Who's madder? K Michelle, or thankmelater? I'm guessing K Michelle isn't going to stay on this topic for a week, so I'll go with thankmelater. I did get a laugh out of this tweet though: Also horrified to see that I'm in agreement with Perez Hilton. Have I been perched in this thread everyday debating this fraudulent hoe? No. I just checked my notifications today and replied to my quotes. She is a fraud. I dont know why you're mad or feeling some type of way about my opinion. At the end of the day this woman knows NOTHING about the culture she is trying to emulate and this fake ass Bankhead hoodrat persona rubs me the wrong way. This is a 21st century minstrel show and im not here for it!
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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 23:16:57 GMT -5
I'm guessing K Michelle isn't going to stay on this topic for a week, so I'll go with thankmelater. I did get a laugh out of this tweet though: Also horrified to see that I'm in agreement with Perez Hilton. Have I been perched in this thread everyday debating this fraudulent hoe? No. I just checked my notifications today and replied to my quotes. She is a fraud. I dont know why you're mad or feeling some type of way about my opinion. At the end of the day this woman knows NOTHING about the culture she is trying to emulate and this fake ass Bankhead hoodrat persona rubs me the wrong way. This is a 21st century minstrel show and im not here for it! Maybe not, but you are mad. But ok.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5
The issue obviously does not start and end with Iggy, there is clearly a much bigger problem here but Iggy's success and her style of rap factors into that problem. And to hear people continuously do anything possible to deny that fact, that her blaccent and sudden skyrocketing success is largely tied to the idea that white audiences prefer a white artist "pretending to be black" than an actual black artist, is very off-putting and upsetting to see. THIS! Just like they used to get a kick out of seeing white men running around in the 1800's acting like bucks and mammies. It's a modern day minstrel show. Chile I guess. Yall have fun with this fraud. I said what I said and I'm not changing.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 27, 2014 23:22:24 GMT -5
Have I been perched in this thread everyday debating this fraudulent hoe? No. I just checked my notifications today and replied to my quotes. She is a fraud. I dont know why you're mad or feeling some type of way about my opinion. At the end of the day this woman knows NOTHING about the culture she is trying to emulate and this fake ass Bankhead hoodrat persona rubs me the wrong way. This is a 21st century minstrel show and im not here for it! Maybe not, but you are mad. But ok. LOL. So stating my opinion makes me mad? Ok sweetheart. I'm done debating this anyway I said what I said and yall cant convince me why this fraud is appropriating African American culture. Good night.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 23:26:04 GMT -5
Re: Nicki
I think that had Nicki come out with Super Bass first, rather than towards the end of her album campaign, she would have not succeeded at the level she did. She literally built her brand from the bottom up, starting with getting an urban buzz and following from mixtapes and then crossing over with verses and then gaining traction as a celebrity with the MTV doc and THEN getting the pop hit with Super Bass. I just don't think that in 2010, when the last female rapper to have an actual crossover hit was Lil Mama for Christ's sake, Nicki could have come out with Super Bass as the lead single to Pink Friday and smashed. And while I definitely don't think Iggy would be where she is now if Nicki hadn't rebirthed female rap as a commercial force, I think that had she somehow come before Nicki and delivered a Fancy/Work/Super Bass type song as her first single, she would have done better than if Nicki did the same simply because of her race and status as a novelty.
I don't mean to suggest that Iggy is cackling to herself and knowingly contributing to this problem BUT I think that her success, particularly the speech that she adapts and, this is a whole other discussion, the way she has incorporated minorities in some of her past videos, is reflective of the bigger issue. Iggy to me seems like someone who genuinely loves rap music and just wanted to pursue being a rapper but I think she's going about it in kind of a distasteful way (with the mimicking Southern rap vernacular which is normally condemned) and it's upsetting to see her garner so much success and praise from this.
Re: Angel/Azealia/Brianna
Good point, I was specifically talking about crossover success but you are right regarding sexism (I wouldn't go so far as to call it misogyny) in urban radio. The BIGGEST point I am trying to make here is that black females are marginalized and paid dust virtually everywhere but especially by pop audiences, unless they are named Rihanna, Nicki or pre-neo legend Beyonce.
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Post by Oprah on May 27, 2014 23:28:37 GMT -5
thankmelater is giving me some Nene Leakes at the Season 6 RHOA reunion incoherent anger tease and I am living for it.
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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 23:33:28 GMT -5
and then get articles written about how she's "Queen of Rap" or whatever. I do agree with you here. And for the people saying that, you probably have a point about her standing out for being white or being a "novelty" or whatever but I don't think that's how the majority of people are thinking. That's what made her stand out and succeed tbh, if her first single was her spitting "Who dat who dat N-I-C-K-I" I doubt she would be where she is today. "Fancy" is a catchy song with a pop hook, and therefore is having more success on pop than urban. It's not meant to be hard-hitting hip-hop. Besides, Nicki's career started primarily at urban, not pop. (Although it's not unheard of to have urban success with lyrics like that; "Super Bass" was a big hit on urban and "Fancy" is climbing fast). Iggy has only had one hit so far. It remains to be seen whether or not she will stick around. And if she does, will she do so by targeting mainly pop/rhythmic audiences or urban audiences? We'll see.
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