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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 28, 2014 15:57:07 GMT -5
Let's start picketing Darius Rucker's black ass than. He didn't have that twang in his voice when he was in Hottie and the Blowfish :'( Go right on ahead! He is not appropriating from my culture so I really don't care. He is a fake also. That still doesnt explain why Iggy cant rap with her Australian accent instead of mocking African American vernacular. And right there lies your problem. If it's not for the economic or social gain of yourself, you just don't care. You in the end are feeding the problem of racism and not helping it. I am an African-American male from Houston Texas. It doesn't bother me because she put a hustle into what she does and has not faltered from her mission statement in the beginning. She dropped out of school and moved to the US at the age of 16, got educated in Atlanta, and moved to LA to further pursue her career. She's not out here with guns and sh!t like other female rappers doing their stints on YouTube. Why do you think that her and Azealia Banks were the 2 female rappers to get major contracts? It wasn't because they were parading around a "lifestyle."
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 16:01:22 GMT -5
Go right on ahead! He is not appropriating from my culture so I really don't care. He is a fake also. That still doesnt explain why Iggy cant rap with her Australian accent instead of mocking African American vernacular. And right there lies your problem. If it's not for the economic or social gain of yourself, you just don't care. You in the end are feeding the problem of racism and not helping it. How is me not caring about Darius Rucker singing with a country twang feeding racism? He is from Charleston, South Carolina that may be his real accent for all I know. You all keep bringing up artists that I don't even listen to as if that invalidates what I am saying.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 28, 2014 16:10:13 GMT -5
And right there lies your problem. If it's not for the economic or social gain of yourself, you just don't care. You in the end are feeding the problem of racism and not helping it. How is me not caring about Darius Rucker singing with a country twang feeding racism? He is from Charleston, South Carolina that may be his real accent for all I know. You all keep bringing up artists that I don't even listen to as if that invalidates what I am saying. You are just targeting her because she is making headlines and is successful. You wouldn't care about her if she wasn't. Point blank. Where was this thread 3 years ago when she first came onto the scene?
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 16:15:45 GMT -5
How is me not caring about Darius Rucker singing with a country twang feeding racism? He is from Charleston, South Carolina that may be his real accent for all I know. You all keep bringing up artists that I don't even listen to as if that invalidates what I am saying. You are just targeting her because she is making headlines and is successful. You wouldn't care about her if she wasn't. Point blank. Where was this thread 3 years ago when she first came onto the scene? I wasn't here 3 years ago nor did I know who she was. I saw her on Dancing With the Stars and made the thread. Period. I cant force you to see things my way because everyone is entitled to their opinion. And with that I am going to let you and your girl be great! She is #1 and I wish her the best! She will never see any of my coins and I will continue to view her as a culture vulture. You can assume I am a troll or racist but it's what it is.
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Post by Mic Technique on May 28, 2014 16:17:20 GMT -5
Most of pop music's forefathers are British rock stars who outfitted their careers adopting distinctive American accents you'd struggle to hear anywhere outside of the Mississippi Delta maybach when. But even as someone who actively disobeys any concept of a music canon, I ask, so what? Let's stop conflating cultural expression with cultural identity and let's start to recognize that a collective bank of cultural tropes should be disconnected from more stringent definitions of identity. We are alive in a time, a technological age, where there exists a cultural transparency that makes no attempt to affirm Iggy Azalea's authenticity, or lack thereof. Some girl from from Australia that took a liking to American signifiers like Hip-Hop and consumption should not have you guys so pressed. Sort of returning to a point I was making earlier in the thread, when I think culture vulture in contemporary music, I think Timbaland, who made a name for himself sampling music written by Assyrians who sing about rejecting material, earthly wealth while indentured to Turkish Sultans and then placing it in a song about bling and putting Korgs over it. And that pains me to say because so much of his music soundtracks my life but this profound example compounds an already existent erasure of a culture. Other examples that come to mind include David Bowie stealing Jayne County's look; Beyonce and "Run The World" dance; Beyonce borrowing heavily from Leyomi Mizrahi and fellow Legends of the ballroom; and let's not forget Beyonce, either. Thanks for the random sideline about the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice, a bunch of white men I neither care about nor care to hear about. Most of the time, your argument is cogent unlike thankmelater who is an embarrassing case of sour grapes and class resentment but then you start juggling tumblr tropes and I'm like really, son? You need to look beyond streamlined ideologies as indoctrinated by aggressive blog runners from fucking Virginia who use social justice as capital, have little direct knowledge of American life and will not, under any circumstance, have an impact on public policy (thankfully)—ESPECIALLY when it concerns bullshit like Iggy Azalea.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 28, 2014 16:21:08 GMT -5
How is me not caring about Darius Rucker singing with a country twang feeding racism? He is from Charleston, South Carolina that may be his real accent for all I know. You all keep bringing up artists that I don't even listen to as if that invalidates what I am saying. You are just targeting her because she is making headlines and is successful. You wouldn't care about her if she wasn't. Point blank. Where was this thread 3 years ago when she first came onto the scene? Yeah but lets face it Iggy is famous because she's white. Its likely no one would care about her if she was black rapping the same songs. Black people haven't bought into her yet in great numbers. If she had been urban mainstream first no one would be questioning if Iggy is fake or not. See Robin Thicke... There has been alot of people like JT, Macklemore using black culture to get ahead....while black artists with superior material can't even get noticed or played on pop radio at all. Rightfully people have a problem with their culture being used to make money and they don't get to benefit from it at all....in many cases when it no longer benefits them to be a culture vulture they pull their race card.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 28, 2014 16:22:22 GMT -5
Beyonce borrowing heavily from Leyomi Mizrahi and fellow Legends of the ballroom; and let's not forget Beyonce, either. That's moreso Danielle Polanco's fault since she is with the House of Ninja. Also I haven't seen Beyonce attempt the Leyomi Lolly yet. Girl would die.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 16:23:23 GMT -5
So now I am a sour grape and resent Iggy because I wish I was white? LMFAO! Wow.
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Post by Mic Technique on May 28, 2014 16:23:46 GMT -5
Also I haven't seen Beyonce attempt the Leyomi Lolly yet. Girl would die. LMAO, I know!
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 16:28:50 GMT -5
You are just targeting her because she is making headlines and is successful. You wouldn't care about her if she wasn't. Point blank. Where was this thread 3 years ago when she first came onto the scene? Yeah but lets face it Iggy is famous because she's white. Its likely no one would care about her if she was black rapping the same songs. Black people haven't bought into her yet in great numbers. If she had been urban mainstream first no one would be questioning if Iggy is fake or not. See Robin Thicke... There has been alot of people like JT, Macklemore using black culture to get ahead....while black artists with superior material can't even get noticed or played on pop radio at all. Rightfully people have a problem with their culture being used to make money and they don't get to benefit from it at all....in many cases when it no longer benefits them to be a culture vulture they pull their race card. Thank you! I am shocked at some of the notions being made about me. This is really what I'm saying in a nutshell. The moment this act doesnt benefit her anymore she will drop it.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on May 28, 2014 17:03:59 GMT -5
The real issue here is that the original poster asked a question and wanted responses, but is actually fishing for only answers and responses that confirm and back up the thesis he put forward in the initial post.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 17:20:47 GMT -5
Mic Technique:
I have a lot of issues with what you've posted starting with this notion that so many people seem so deadset on that a white British person imitating the speech of an American person is somehow the same as a white person imitating the speech of a black person. You can't just ignorantly operate under the impression that there isn't a history of oppression, discrimination and abuse from white people towards black people OR ignore the fact that that oppression continues to this day. That is why Iggy Azalea is unsettling. Thankmelater has been getting a lot of heat and generally I don't align myself with people who post Housewives gifs (because...um) BUT while dramatic, him comparing Iggy to a minstrel show isn't so far out of line. Dramatic? Yes. But completely unbased and trolling? No.
Secondly, there is just such a huge fundamental difference between what Timbaland is doing and people who are upset about Iggy, Miley and Macklemore. There is LEVELS to this shit and him lifting chants or musical interpolations from a dead culture is not the same thing as white people putting on a blaccent. Do you really believe that they are the same level of offense? I get that Iggy lived in the South for a couple of years but that doesn't seem to have affected the way she speaks in her everyday life in the least so I just don't buy that as excusing her voice in her music.
Finally, no need to go off on a rant against Tumblr social justice and try to clock me. I said that because what in the everloving fuck does the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice have to do with this discussion? Nothing. My posts have been almost entirely about Iggy's delivery in her music and the white privilege she's benefitted from. If this were a topic that was "Should white people be rapping?" then I could kind of see how it'd be relevant to discuss the Beastie Boys but that was just a completely random tangent about how taking from other cultures can actually expand exposure to mainstream audiences which had fuck all to do with the conversation.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 18:00:54 GMT -5
The real issue here is that the original poster asked a question and wanted responses, but is actually fishing for only answers and responses that confirm and back up the thesis he put forward in the initial post. You actually are wrong. I do think it's funny that because I see through Iggy's phony act and inauthenticity I have been called a troll, racist, and accused of resenting the fact that I am not white.
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Post by Mic Technique on May 28, 2014 18:03:54 GMT -5
Finally, you work up the courage to reply to me. I'm humbled. I have a lot of issues with what you've posted starting with this notion that so many people seem so deadset on that a white British person imitating the speech of an American person is somehow the same as a white person imitating the speech of a black person. Honey, when I said Missippi Delta, you know I was referring to black people, right? There is LEVELS to this s**t and him lifting chants or musical interpolations from a dead culture is not the same thing as white people putting on a blaccent. When you put it that way, a "blaccent" seems almost innocuous? Funny. And a dead culture? Oh boy. You should read up on the Assyrian community of today and their continued struggles. While you're at it, check up on the Ottoman Empire, present day Turkey, Arab imperialism and how it manifests itself today in the Middle East, North Africa, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere. Americans, smh. Finally, no need to go off on a rant against Tumblr social justice and try to clock me. I did so because you're a lousy essentialist parroting dogma exclusive to tumblr determined to reeducate people, most who know better, when you yourself continue to showcase your lack of reasoning and comprehension. No one is ignoring the legacies of oppression black people face in America. Although YOU ignore Iggy's origin because your argument is wholly dependent on her whiteness, regardless of her birth country, just as you're laughably hostile to Landmarx's summoning the Beastie Boys' legacy.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on May 28, 2014 18:24:34 GMT -5
I do think it's funny that because I see through Iggy's phony act and inauthenticity But who really is "authentic" and "real"? Nearly every artist will change something about them to make their image or stage act more palatable to the masses. They show them what they want to see and hear. Even if their act appears authentic, a certain amount of it is posturing and staged specifically to attract a certain audience.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 18:25:21 GMT -5
Yes, I have spent all day working up the courage to speak out against a fellow poster in an online music forum where there are threads dedicated to Ariana Grande's impending legacy. It took a lot of guts, but I did it.
First of all, obviously I did not realize you were referencing black people? Why would I say that if I realized that?
Secondly, I will take responsibility for ignorance of Assyrian people and their continued struggle, but ignorance of one group's historical oppression doesn't minimize everything that I've said before? I do apologize for misspeaking though. But I don't feel like this needs to be an Oppression Olympics (with regards to bringing up Timb's appropriation) and it just hits closer to home I suppose with regards to what Iggy is doing, regardless of her birth place.
Also still do not really get the need to acknowledge the Beastie Boys in this discussion but ok.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 18:31:49 GMT -5
I do think it's funny that because I see through Iggy's phony act and inauthenticity But who really is "authentic" and "real"? Nearly every artist will change something about them to make their image or stage act more palatable to the masses. They show them what they want to see and hear. Even if their act appears authentic, a certain amount of it is posturing and staged specifically to attract a certain audience. You are right. No artist shows the entire spectrum of who they are as a person. I just cannot compute why it makes it OK for this woman to basically parrot behavior she sees and act like it's who she is. Being in America hasn't changed her Australian accent so it is not an excuse for why she raps the way she does. The only defense seems to be "so and so does it too....."
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Post by Mic Technique on May 28, 2014 19:28:14 GMT -5
Yes, I have spent all day working up the courage to speak out against a fellow poster in an online music forum where there are threads dedicated to Ariana Grande's impending legacy. It took a lot of guts, but I did it. I'm proud of ya. :) First of all, obviously I did not realize you were referencing black people? Why would I say that if I realized that? Delta blues. "maybach when" = way back when. But I don't feel like this needs to be an Oppression Olympics (with regards to bringing up Timb's appropriation) and it just hits closer to home I suppose with regards to what Iggy is doing, regardless of her birth place. Never that! re: Oppression Olympics. My aim was to draw up real examples of culture vultures following in the tradition of a post I made earlier that had gone ignored: What I want to know, though, is what a culture vulture is in 2014, how it harms people, and how one avoids it? Let's stop simplifying matters you're passionate about and handle that first. Also still do not really get the need to acknowledge the Beastie Boys in this discussion but ok. I can't speak for Landmarx but the Beastie Boys, who are now regarded as authentic and representative of hip-hop culture, once faced criticism for appropriating "black enunciation" and for vacating rap of its attack against the supremacy. Make of that what you will but it's pertinent, if not an example, to the discussion. Vanilla Ice is an interesting and often overlooked case too, what with became of his legacy. A white rapper whose appeal was in part his appropriation ("Play That Funky Music"), who made no bones his influences and had the support of some of Hip-Hop's biggest names before major labels came knocking.
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Post by Oprah on May 28, 2014 20:23:43 GMT -5
Thankmelater has been getting a lot of heat and generally I don't align myself with people who post Housewives gifs (because...um) Reported.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Nov 22, 2014 9:15:20 GMT -5
Basically, people don't think it's realistic here. I dig the chick, she was another female rapper added to the mainstream, and also gotten my attention. No, I don't know Amethyst's back story more than I would know Kreayshawn's..but I'm not going to go there. I just listen to the music, yo. Lol.
EDIT : NVM man, I hate this thread, lol.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 22, 2014 12:45:42 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Iggy Azalea's music. It's harmless, fun, hip-pop. She's an artist with a marketing machine behind her. I never once felt "this is who she is", she's just rapping for her love of the genre.
I love some American hip-hop and I grew up listening to dancehall, soca, and reggaeton. I personally don't care for rapping in languages other than English and Spanish. I find a lot of international rappers to sound too harsh. When it comes to accents, even the British and Australian rappers sound odd to me.
If Iggy Azalea were to rap with an Australian accent, I don't think she would be as successful as she is now. Her back story of being a white female immigrant from Australia and rapping with a Southern US accent is such a contradictory oxymoron, but that's part of her appeal. The never ending saga of racial politics will always make her a target of controversy.
As someone who comes from a British and Jamaican family that speak English very well, I was bullied a lot for "speaking white" and not talking "black enough". That's probably another issue I have with this argument. Even though I was born and raised in America, I don't identify with American culture and history because it's not my own, my history is from the Caribbean, Europe, Africa, and Asia. So there's a certain amount of sensitivity around the issue that I'm missing.
In the case of Nicki Minaj, I'm irritated when she raps with a Jamaican or British accent, but it has nothing to do with the fact that she's Trinidadian (Trinidadian culture is a huge part of my life/upbringing)...it just irks me when someone imitates my own background. THAT'S where I can understand this sentiment of Iggy Azalea being a "culture vulture".
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