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Post by Khia on May 27, 2014 23:37:20 GMT -5
Maybe not, but you are mad. But ok. LOL. So stating my opinion makes me mad? Ok sweetheart. I'm done debating this anyway I said what I said and yall cant convince me why this fraud is appropriating African American culture. Good night. Sure. Apparently I'm mad for stating mine. You're not really "debating" anything anyway. You're just throwing Real Housewives gifs at me without really bringing any new points to the table.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 0:03:42 GMT -5
Macklemore and Iggy Azalea: Blonde whiteys with fat asses.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 1:12:57 GMT -5
LOL. So stating my opinion makes me mad? Ok sweetheart. I'm done debating this anyway I said what I said and yall cant convince me why this fraud is appropriating African American culture. Good night. Sure. Apparently I'm mad for stating mine. You're not really "debating" anything anyway. You're just throwing Real Housewives gifs at me without really bringing any new points to the table. What more is there to say? She has a fake persona. Thats all that needs to be said. Yall still haven't answered why she needs to rap like she is a black woman from Bankhead when she's Australian. I would say the same for a Chinese woman coming to America trying to sing Country music with a southern twang when hher accent is M andarin. It's fake, false and reminiscent of a minstrel show. I am not here for it and stated it many times. I saod you were mad because you were coming for me like I've been seething and typing in this thread for weeks. I've only talked about it today and the day I started it. Iggy is not that big of a concern to me. She wasn't on my radar until I saw that mess on Dancing With the Stars and made this thread. Now if I came off combative I apologize but what I said about Iggy still stands as there is no legitimate reason for her to be putting on. SORRY And yes I am full aware that I said I was done discussing but whatever. I stand by what I wrote. There is no legitimate reason for hwr fuckery all yall can do is bring up other artists being fake assess too. Ok Drake, Monie Love, etc are fake. Now why is Iggy faking? It's just deflecting and making excuses for this white Australian woman trying to put on like a black woman from Bowen Homes. It's a hot mess! Whew now with that essay written. I will bow out gracefully! You all enjoy your modern day Jumpin' Jim Crow.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on May 28, 2014 1:55:56 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? It's a part of her stage persona.
We know Eminem doesn't sound like that when talks normally, but he has his 'rap accent'. Why can't Iggy have one? Is it because Eminem is a man and Iggy is not? Why is it okay for Nicki Minaj to use accents and stuff in her music or is she appropriating too?
So does this mean that a non-African American rapper cannot make that type of music because it will be appropriating?
All this political correctness and the media's obsession with trying to call out anyone for doing anything that remotely resembles something in another culture is insane. EVERYTHING is from another culture.
I don't like Iggy and her music because I find her music to be too vanilla and it reminds me of what other rappers like Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, and Trina did much better years ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:17:46 GMT -5
There is a difference between benefiting from white privilege and being a culture vulture. Eminem to me benefits from white privilege in that the very reason they love him is the very reason they hate black rappers (violent, ghetto and other saved for black lingo) I don't hear anyone btw calling Em ghetto even tho he grew up dirt poor. Eminem played no part in it because he is not jacking a culture he is part of the culture he can't control society.
My issue is that I have less issue with these artists my contempt is more towards society views and the slow changing perceptions. Iggy is someone so irrelavent to the struggle and her novelty act just distracts from the bigger picture.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:30:45 GMT -5
Jim Crow? Bowen Homes? LMAO. I love my trolls well-educated.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:31:03 GMT -5
Um yeah it's different when Nicki Minaj takes on a British accent then when Iggy puts on a black southern accent? BECAUSE SHE'S WHITE. Like...be more aware of what white people have put black people through in this country, and how much white people have worked to erase black representation in art and culture. It's clearly a more sensitive, disrespectful gesture for Iggy to talk like that than for Nicki, Monie Love or Drake to do so. And don't even try it with "She's from Australia!!!11111!!" because I have 0 time.
Like Coco said, Em actually grew up poor and grew up around tons of black people. I don't even really think he puts on any kind of accent in his music, he just adjusts his voice like all rappers do. This isn't an obsession with calling people out for no reason, it's just that these groups finally have a platform to speak out against the insensitivity to their culture. It's so disheartening to see people so staunchly against listening to those voices in defense of pop stars.
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Post by Oprah on May 28, 2014 2:34:46 GMT -5
Re: Nicki I think that had Nicki come out with Super Bass first, rather than towards the end of her album campaign, she would have not succeeded at the level she did. She literally built her brand from the bottom up, starting with getting an urban buzz and following from mixtapes and then crossing over with verses and then gaining traction as a celebrity with the MTV doc and THEN getting the pop hit with Super Bass. I just don't think that in 2010, when the last female rapper to have an actual crossover hit was Lil Mama for Christ's sake, Nicki could have come out with Super Bass as the lead single to Pink Friday and smashed. And while I definitely don't think Iggy would be where she is now if Nicki hadn't rebirthed female rap as a commercial force, I think that had she somehow come before Nicki and delivered a Fancy/Work/Super Bass type song as her first single, she would have done better than if Nicki did the same simply because of her race and status as a novelty. Isn't that basically what Iggy's done? I haven't followed her career at all but she started out with a mixtape a couple of years ago and now she's putting out pop tracks. Pretty much the same as Nicki's career trajectory from '09-'11.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:36:11 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? It's a part of her stage persona. We know Eminem doesn't sound like that when talks normally, but he has his 'rap accent'. Why can't Iggy have one? Is it because Eminem is a man and Iggy is not? Why is it okay for Nicki Minaj to use accents and stuff in her music or is she appropriating too? So does this mean that a non-African American rapper cannot make that type of music because it will be appropriating? All this political correctness and the media's obsession with trying to call out anyone for doing anything that remotely resembles something in another culture is insane. EVERYTHING is from another culture. I don't like Iggy and her music because I find her music to be too vanilla and it reminds me of what other rappers like Lil Kim, Foxy Brown, and Trina did much better years ago. Lil Kim? Even saying it reminds you is a insult. Kimberly Jones the legend and her skills would drag these hoes and end them. Don't make me start linking from youtube all her classics in here. Seething...
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Post by Oprah on May 28, 2014 2:41:04 GMT -5
It's ridiculous to deny that there aren't some problematic racial issues at play here or act as if it's the same as other artists putting on accents sometimes, but at the end of the day she isn't consciously trying to offend, appropriate another culture, or benefit from white privilege. She's just putting out the genre of music she's attracted to, and a lot of the flak she's getting for that is really over the top (see: K Michelle. You know you're wrong when you get your ass handed to you by Perez fucking Hilton).
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:44:39 GMT -5
Re: Nicki I think that had Nicki come out with Super Bass first, rather than towards the end of her album campaign, she would have not succeeded at the level she did. She literally built her brand from the bottom up, starting with getting an urban buzz and following from mixtapes and then crossing over with verses and then gaining traction as a celebrity with the MTV doc and THEN getting the pop hit with Super Bass. I just don't think that in 2010, when the last female rapper to have an actual crossover hit was Lil Mama for Christ's sake, Nicki could have come out with Super Bass as the lead single to Pink Friday and smashed. And while I definitely don't think Iggy would be where she is now if Nicki hadn't rebirthed female rap as a commercial force, I think that had she somehow come before Nicki and delivered a Fancy/Work/Super Bass type song as her first single, she would have done better than if Nicki did the same simply because of her race and status as a novelty. Isn't that basically what Iggy's done? I haven't followed her career at all but she started out with a mixtape a couple of years ago and now she's putting out pop tracks. Pretty much the same as Nicki's career trajectory from '09-'11. I think Nicki's grind was harder and longer tho. From the first mixtape to the success of Super Bass (not saying the other singles weren't successful but I think a lot of people see SB as her "peak" in some ways), Nicki's ascent felt a lot longer than Iggy, who didn't really catch a strong reaction until around the summer of 2012 and then by spring 2013 she released Work and was prepping an album release. So technically they both released mixtapes and then albums and then pop singles but Nicki definitely had to work harder to get there than Iggy imo (mostly because of the dearth of female rappers at the time.)
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:46:26 GMT -5
Also don't worry nobody is calling you guys racist per se. Sometimes you don't even know when you're being racist anyway because its little ingrained things you don't notice unless of course you happen to have lived it..America is built on race and bigotry and division so race has everything to do with everything so to speak.
You can't be straight and tell a gay person how they feel about the journey and what they been through and seen on the other side so surely you can't be white and tell a black person what is and isn't racist?
Think about that and have a good night xoxo
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 2:52:50 GMT -5
Bottom line America is racist, do you have a issue with that? Did I lie?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 3:00:26 GMT -5
Um yeah it's different when Nicki Minaj takes on a British accent then when Iggy puts on a black southern accent? BECAUSE SHE'S WHITE. Like...be more aware of what white people have put black people through in this country, and how much white people have worked to erase black representation in art and culture. It's clearly a more sensitive, disrespectful gesture for Iggy to talk like that than for Nicki, Monie Love or Drake to do so. And don't even try it with "She's from Australia!!!11111!!" because I have 0 time. Like Coco said, Em actually grew up poor and grew up around tons of black people. I don't even really think he puts on any kind of accent in his music, he just adjusts his voice like all rappers do. This isn't an obsession with calling people out for no reason, it's just that these groups finally have a platform to speak out against the insensitivity to their culture. It's so disheartening to see people so staunchly against listening to those voices in defense of pop stars. I have such a problem with that way of thinking. It supports a false double standard, and it suggests that what Iggy Azalea is "doing" is akin to putting on blackface and tap dancing? The accent and voice projection is clearly a matter of opinion. Drawing those conclusions says a lot more about the person drawing the conclusions and their way of thinking than what is actually taking place. Cultural appropriation exists, no question. Hip hop is a "black" art form, drawn from rock music, which in turn came from jazz - all originally black art forms. This isn't anything new. The Beastie Boys did it, and so did Vanilla Ice, and obviously both did things very differently. One act is looked upon favorably as real and original, while the other was looked at similarly as a "culture vulture." one faded out and is now regarded as a pop culture novelty, while the other act is in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. What I think should be taken from that is that time will always be the judge of these things. In both of those situations, good came in the form of broader exposure for rap music to white or mainstream audiences. It can also be argued that as a result, cultural appropriation is natural as things become mainstream and reach larger audiences. Why is anyone surprised at this point that white rap artists exist or are successful, especially when they are making music that fits into what's popular at the moment? Hip hop music (both "real" and pop-infused) have been part of the mainstream music scene for so long that we've crossed that bridge a hundred times over. It's old news. The question at hand, then, after all of that, is whether or not it's fair that an artist like Iggy Azalea is having the success she's having while artists who make the music die-hard hip hop fans check for aren't. That's where the discussion of white privilege, culture and media comes in. That's a discussion we've had before. What I think should be laid to rest is the idea that this artist herself is bringing down African American people. I've yet to see sufficient evidence of that, and arguing that she is doing that is just as harmful as if she were working the Jim Crow circuit.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 3:41:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the random sideline about the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice, a bunch of white men I neither care about nor care to hear about.
Clearly black people taking offense to their oppressors mimicking their style of speech is an unhealthy double standard. Especially since there are people in the UK who feel deeply offended that Nicki Minaj takes on a British accent, especially with the historically known oppression British people suffered at the hands of Trinidadian-Americans who continue to profit off of and exploit the good British masses. The nerve to think otherwise.
Also DEAD at the mere suggestion that Vanilla Ice was somehow good for a broader exposure of rap music to mainstream audiences. He really moved mountains, that Vanilla Ice. I'm sleep tho.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 4:26:43 GMT -5
Especially since there are people in the UK who feel deeply offended that Nicki Minaj takes on a British accent, especially with the historically known oppression British people suffered at the hands of Trinidadian-Americans There was no black oppression in Australia. Iggy has nothing to be sorry for, if she wants to rap in "black voice" (...) then more power to her. I like her accent, because it's fun singing along with her in her silly voice, pretending to be black myself.
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2014 6:45:21 GMT -5
Not really wanting to get into the debate at large but re: Codex uhh... we have Aborigines, who are non-White so we are not exempt from the "black oppression" argument. So yeah.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 6:47:01 GMT -5
I think she's going about it in kind of a distasteful way (with the mimicking Southern rap vernacular which is normally condemned) and it's upsetting to see her garner so much success and praise from this. This where I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't see your side of the argument and I don't think you'll see mine; but that's more of a "to each their own" matter of opinion that can't be addressed one way or the other. I think Coco said it best on page 1 that the issue isn't so black and white (for lack of a better term), in that there isn't an absolutely correct answer. I do agree with the you that white privilege has definitely benefitted Iggy Azalea, but not to the degree that she should be discredited or tossed aside in comparison to someone like Nicki. As much as I agree with you that her rapping isn't particularly pleasant, quite a few would disagree; so that's more of an issue of subjectivity in music than her garnering unwarranted praise. I'm in no way denying she probably hasn't acquired that praise much easier, either. Re: Angel/Azealia/Brianna Good point, I was specifically talking about crossover success but you are right regarding sexism (I wouldn't go so far as to call it misogyny) in urban radio. The BIGGEST point I am trying to make here is that black females are marginalized and paid dust virtually everywhere but especially by pop audiences, unless they are named Rihanna, Nicki or pre-neo legend Beyonce. I would argue for latent misogynistic tendencies, but semantics doesn't have much to do with what we're talking about really. Either way, I agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 6:47:52 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? It's a part of her stage persona. We know Eminem doesn't sound like that when talks normally, but he has his 'rap accent'. Why can't Iggy have one? Is it because Eminem is a man and Iggy is not? Why is it okay for Nicki Minaj to use accents and stuff in her music or is she appropriating too? So does this mean that a non-African American rapper cannot make that type of music because it will be appropriating? All this political correctness and the media's obsession with trying to call out anyone for doing anything that remotely resembles something in another culture is insane. EVERYTHING is from another culture. Didn't you like a post on the previous page that directly contradicts all of this? ETA: you totally did: please find a lane.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 6:51:02 GMT -5
Not really wanting to get into the debate at large but re: Codex uhh... we have Aborigines, who are non-White so we are not exempt from the "black oppression" argument. So yeah. The question is, do Aborigines rap like Iggy?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 7:03:23 GMT -5
You all enjoy your modern day Jumpin' Jim Crow. noooooooooo
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Post by Az Paynter on May 28, 2014 7:14:48 GMT -5
Not really wanting to get into the debate at large but re: Codex uhh... we have Aborigines, who are non-White so we are not exempt from the "black oppression" argument. So yeah. The question is, do Aborigines rap like Iggy? Well no, it's a different culture with its own issues; my point was if you want to talk about something as broad as "black oppression" (or non-white oppression in general) you can't give Australia a pass because historically we've been just as guilty.
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Post by Oprah on May 28, 2014 11:39:23 GMT -5
Not really wanting to get into the debate at large but re: Codex uhh... we have Aborigines, who are non-White so we are not exempt from the "black oppression" argument. So yeah. The question is, do Aborigines rap like Iggy? I think the real question is, is it fun singing along to Iggy pretending to be one?
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Post by Wavey✨️ on May 28, 2014 14:27:05 GMT -5
Aborigines? Never seen them on the Billboard Hot 100 nobody jacking them musically because they don't make hot music otherwise that long necked aussie that Censor posts all over the board would be already.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 14:52:41 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? Like the Australian woman she is. Let my black behind decide to put on a sombrero and decide to start singing Tejano music in a Mexican accent that I DONT have. See how quickly the Mexican community comes for me. I dont care that she raps. Paul Wall is one of my favorite throwback rappers and he is white. He is also from the hoods of Houston and lived the lifestyle he rapped about.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 15:25:22 GMT -5
Stop honey you're pandering to the lowest common denominator by making this go in the direction you seem to want this to go.
The problem with discussing white privilege and its various debates, is that to truly grasp it you kinda have to live it. Myself I grew up in a middle class home. I had 6 job interviews and got all 6 jobs because I'm well spoken, bright and was lucky enough not to have suffered any barriers that others have. Growing up was easy for me hell I face more hateful homophobia now than I ever received from a racial standpoint.
Having said that what if I wasn't so lucky to grow up in Canada where we all go to the same schools and have equal chance to succeed. What if I was raised in the inner city? What if I had to deal with systemic and racist programs and systems set in place years ago where its a uphill battle for blacks and was designed on purpose for that reason. In America blacks have to fight 10 x harder to get to the same point as a white person, again not everyone goes to inner city schools but practice is more widespread in America than anywhere else in the world.
Bottom line that's where I think this is coming from, not Iggy herself per se but the fact blacks see another situation where it evokes that whole fight 10 x harder and see Iggy waltz into a field that is currently hard for a black person to succeed. Ariana can make average, throwback songs r&b lite and because she looks like the girl next door she has it far easier than if Ciara did the same.
Iggy, Miley and whoever else you wana discuss is just a disguise to your real issue with the system so you're better off discussing that and explaining where this so called "anger" is coming from than muddying up the real situation any further. The musical aspects of is far less than what is really going on in society that affects people day to day. I find it hard to get worked up over minor music injustice.
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Post by Lozzy on May 28, 2014 15:41:16 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? Like the Australian woman she is. An Australian accent does not match the music she makes. Sure there are plenty of Australian rappers but that's a different scene and most likely not the music she's into, and also a much narrower audience. So she's not allowed to make the music she loves because she grew up outside of the United States. Do you really think this is a good notion?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 28, 2014 15:53:33 GMT -5
How is she 'supposed' to sound? Like the Australian woman she is. Let my black behind decide to put on a sombrero and decide to start singing Tejano music in a Mexican accent that I DONT have. See how quickly the Mexican community comes for me. I dont care that she raps. Paul Wall is one of my favorite throwback rappers and he is white. He is also from the hoods of Houston and lived the lifestyle he rapped about. Let's start picketing Darius Rucker's black ass than. He didn't have that twang in his voice when he was in Hottie and the Blowfish :'(
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 15:53:38 GMT -5
Like the Australian woman she is. An Australian accent does not match the music she makes. Sure there are plenty of Australian rappers but that's a different scene and most likely not the music she's into, and also a much narrower audience. So she's not allowed to make the music she loves because she grew up outside of the United States. Do you really think this is a good notion? I really dont get what's hard to grasp. She is not a black woman from the Southern United States. That's not her real voice or real persona. She is a culture vulture. I don't know why I am being accused of trolling or racism.
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Post by H-Town Vicious on May 28, 2014 15:54:52 GMT -5
Like the Australian woman she is. Let my black behind decide to put on a sombrero and decide to start singing Tejano music in a Mexican accent that I DONT have. See how quickly the Mexican community comes for me. I dont care that she raps. Paul Wall is one of my favorite throwback rappers and he is white. He is also from the hoods of Houston and lived the lifestyle he rapped about. Let's start picketing Darius Rucker's black ass than. He didn't have that twang in his voice when he was in Hottie and the Blowfish :'( Go right on ahead! He is not appropriating from my culture so I really don't care. He is a fake also if he's using an accent he doesnt have. That still doesnt explain why Iggy cant rap with her Australian accent instead of mocking African American vernacular. ETA: Chile I'm a mess still posting in here. *laughs* We really will never see this eye to eye so I guess it is what it is. I will continue to side eye this woman and see her for what she is IN MY OPINION.
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